| Have we done any Ashes talk? 14:27 - Nov 14 with 1801 views | bluelagos |
Thoughts on Stokes labeling Vaughan and Botham "has beens"?
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:28 - Nov 14 with 1358 views | cookra |
yep , all done and dusted
no whakety stick hitting talk here |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:29 - Nov 14 with 1362 views | Zx1988 |
Strong words, and ones that he'll have to back up with a strong performance. That said, I've no qualms about him pushing back at 'unproven racist' Vaughan, and 'Lord Brexit' Botham.
What has surprised me today is finding out that the side's only warm-up match is against the England B Team. I know that the modern cricket schedule rather precludes the sort of warm-up tours of old, but surely it would be more beneficial to play against a 'local' side such as a President's XI or suchlike, to give the players a better feel for an Australian side? |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:34 - Nov 14 with 1331 views | bluelagos |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:29 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
Strong words, and ones that he'll have to back up with a strong performance. That said, I've no qualms about him pushing back at 'unproven racist' Vaughan, and 'Lord Brexit' Botham.
What has surprised me today is finding out that the side's only warm-up match is against the England B Team. I know that the modern cricket schedule rather precludes the sort of warm-up tours of old, but surely it would be more beneficial to play against a 'local' side such as a President's XI or suchlike, to give the players a better feel for an Australian side? |
Which is basically what Vaughan and Botham were saying - the preparation has been poor. | |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:40 - Nov 14 with 1294 views | Zx1988 |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:34 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
Which is basically what Vaughan and Botham were saying - the preparation has been poor. |
I do sort of see Stokes' point about scheduling, especially with the Sheffield Shield ongoing. But the decision to play on a pitch that bears no resemblance to the WACA seems very poor.
What is the stance of the Sheffield Shield towards foreign players? It would have been interesting (assuming the states would play ball) to see a few English players turning out for the state sides, in the same way as Steve Smith did for Sussex in the run-up to the 2023 Ashes series. [Post edited 14 Nov 14:44]
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:53 - Nov 14 with 1238 views | soupytwist |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:40 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
I do sort of see Stokes' point about scheduling, especially with the Sheffield Shield ongoing. But the decision to play on a pitch that bears no resemblance to the WACA seems very poor.
What is the stance of the Sheffield Shield towards foreign players? It would have been interesting (assuming the states would play ball) to see a few English players turning out for the state sides, in the same way as Steve Smith did for Sussex in the run-up to the 2023 Ashes series. [Post edited 14 Nov 14:44]
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Overseas players aren't banned from Sheffield Shield but not many non-Australians have actually played in the competition. |  | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:07 - Nov 14 with 1192 views | vapour_trail |
Have enjoyed the Aussie press coverage of the poms touching down. They’re very much going on the offensive.
Read somewhere that if you added Botham and Gower to the England squad, we’d still have a lower average age than the convicts. (Not made any attempt to fact check that).
Really looking forward to this one and will be attempting to stay awake for a lot of nights on the sofa. Fancy it’ll be a lively one, hopefully it’s still a live series when we get to Sydney. Head says 3-1 home win though. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:20 - Nov 14 with 1165 views | mellowblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:53 - Nov 14 by soupytwist |
Overseas players aren't banned from Sheffield Shield but not many non-Australians have actually played in the competition. |
It is understandable, the wish to exclude non-Australians. There are only 6 Sheffield Shield state clubs which would give a playing pool of only 66 men to choose from (ignoring 12th man and any reserves). Lot smaller pool than the County Championship provides for England. So saying the S.S cricket is a higher and more intense level which has got to be a good thing for Australia.
Incidentally Australia only had one warm up before the '23 Ashes as well. But it was the World Test Championship Final against India, that nobody gave a damn about. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:22 - Nov 14 with 1157 views | surreyblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:29 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
Strong words, and ones that he'll have to back up with a strong performance. That said, I've no qualms about him pushing back at 'unproven racist' Vaughan, and 'Lord Brexit' Botham.
What has surprised me today is finding out that the side's only warm-up match is against the England B Team. I know that the modern cricket schedule rather precludes the sort of warm-up tours of old, but surely it would be more beneficial to play against a 'local' side such as a President's XI or suchlike, to give the players a better feel for an Australian side? |
I understand that the previous experience was the the warm-up teams put forward by hosting nations were generally so weak that they were even worse than a 1st XI vs A-team game - second teams at best if not sub-first class level.
It's like of the Aussies came here for the Ashes and their warm up games were against an East Anglian Premier Cricket League XI.
There is an argument that effective warm up games should be part of the deal when it comes to touring, but it is hard to police. | | | |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:29 - Nov 14 with 1140 views | mellowblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:29 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
Strong words, and ones that he'll have to back up with a strong performance. That said, I've no qualms about him pushing back at 'unproven racist' Vaughan, and 'Lord Brexit' Botham.
What has surprised me today is finding out that the side's only warm-up match is against the England B Team. I know that the modern cricket schedule rather precludes the sort of warm-up tours of old, but surely it would be more beneficial to play against a 'local' side such as a President's XI or suchlike, to give the players a better feel for an Australian side? |
That will be the "unproven racist" that was giving voluntary net practice to 4 Asian players. That is a very racist thing to do. And of course the accuser was the bitter, anti-semite, woman on plane bothering Azeem Rafiq looking for his "me too moment" and who was barely supported by his mate and business partner Rashid there and unsupported by the other two, one of whom had nothing but kind words for Vaughn. Rafiq might have had genuine grievances but he got that one wrong. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:33 - Nov 14 with 1126 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:29 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
Strong words, and ones that he'll have to back up with a strong performance. That said, I've no qualms about him pushing back at 'unproven racist' Vaughan, and 'Lord Brexit' Botham.
What has surprised me today is finding out that the side's only warm-up match is against the England B Team. I know that the modern cricket schedule rather precludes the sort of warm-up tours of old, but surely it would be more beneficial to play against a 'local' side such as a President's XI or suchlike, to give the players a better feel for an Australian side? |
The argument against playing a local state side is that they’re all busy playing their domestic fixtures & you’d end up play a very week opponent.
Whether what they’re doing is right or not only time will tell.
We’ve had extensive preparations in the past & been slapped 5-0 so I think it’s all pretty irrelevant to be honest. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:37 - Nov 14 with 1106 views | reusersfreekicks |
To answer your original question it is poor and dis-respectful language and he should apologise.
I suspect it's not what he really meant |  | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:40 - Nov 14 with 1086 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:07 - Nov 14 by vapour_trail |
Have enjoyed the Aussie press coverage of the poms touching down. They’re very much going on the offensive.
Read somewhere that if you added Botham and Gower to the England squad, we’d still have a lower average age than the convicts. (Not made any attempt to fact check that).
Really looking forward to this one and will be attempting to stay awake for a lot of nights on the sofa. Fancy it’ll be a lively one, hopefully it’s still a live series when we get to Sydney. Head says 3-1 home win though. |
Yup, always enjoy watching cricket through the night.
I love an Ashes Christmas, lovely day with all the family etc but them leaving & you sitting down on the sofa munching on leftover whilst watching the cricket is always the highlight for me. | |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:41 - Nov 14 with 1074 views | mellowblue |
As long as Stokes remembers in a year or two when he joins Sky that he too will be a has been. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:41 - Nov 14 with 1071 views | Trequartista |
Thought Stokes and Botham were pals so not convinced he was referring to them. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:47 - Nov 14 with 1052 views | Zx1988 |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:29 - Nov 14 by mellowblue |
That will be the "unproven racist" that was giving voluntary net practice to 4 Asian players. That is a very racist thing to do. And of course the accuser was the bitter, anti-semite, woman on plane bothering Azeem Rafiq looking for his "me too moment" and who was barely supported by his mate and business partner Rashid there and unsupported by the other two, one of whom had nothing but kind words for Vaughn. Rafiq might have had genuine grievances but he got that one wrong. |
I'm not sure that the ECB stating that it was "not satisfied on the balance of probabilities" that the words were said by Vaughan "at the time and in the specific circumstances alleged" is the exoneration that you think it is, especially when it followed that up by stating that nobody had lied or acted out of malice.
They're not saying that Vaughan never said racist things; just that he didn't say them precisely when he was alleged to have said them.
'Not proven' is the weakest exoneration there is. | |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 16:30 - Nov 14 with 999 views | SuperBobbyPetta |
He didn’t mean it as it’s been taken. He was making the point that cricket isn’t the same as when they played and the international demands are much greater with a packed schedule so you don’t have the luxury of multiple warm up games.
Also they didn’t do much good when we were getting pumped in the 90’s,’00s. The Aussies would have done what they always did. Keep their best players in the domestic Sheffield Shield games and put England on slow, low pitches that don’t help preparation anyway. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 16:33 - Nov 14 with 990 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Of course they are both "has-beens" and Stokes very soon will be too. I expect he will also make a decent living out of punditry afterwards and say some things which will annoy the next generation of players. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 17:57 - Nov 14 with 915 views | stonojnr |
He's an idiot, because he's set himself up for the aussies to relentlessly bring it up on the pitch & in their press, the "has beens" can endlessly mine it for copy and for what just because they criticised the preparation ? Just because they dont think bazball is the only answer to playing the game.
Have you seen this flipping practice game, on a pitch that's more like village cricket level, and the wickets they've taken are all from dumb shots, and ive never seen a competitive cricketer every celebrate their dismissal before, its like they were going yes I made sure Stokesy got a wicket, he's bound to pick me now as I just played a golf shot.
People in the UK don't realise how big the Ashes are in Australia, the players can't escape the spotlight its on every tv station, every radio station the coverage is relentless they cant even go out as in every bar every restaurant every taxi they take it will be all about the ashes, every hotel they check in, every flight they take it will be about the ashes.. Stokes needs everyone on his side that includes the UK press and so needs to stop not just being arrogant, but charmless about it too
Because if they do muck it up, there are no more excuses, they've spent all their credit they had, its end of the line stuff.
We'll see what happens at the first test | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 18:43 - Nov 14 with 865 views | mellowblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 15:47 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
I'm not sure that the ECB stating that it was "not satisfied on the balance of probabilities" that the words were said by Vaughan "at the time and in the specific circumstances alleged" is the exoneration that you think it is, especially when it followed that up by stating that nobody had lied or acted out of malice.
They're not saying that Vaughan never said racist things; just that he didn't say them precisely when he was alleged to have said them.
'Not proven' is the weakest exoneration there is. |
I agree, it sounded like it came straight from the lawyers mouth. ECB got splinters in their backside noy backing someone who they would have hero-worsipped a few years earlier. ECB have been spineless for years. No wonder they lost control of cricket to the Indians. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 18:47 - Nov 14 with 854 views | Whos_blue |
Not sure that was the wisest of phrases to use but as others have mentioned I'm not sure he meant it in the way some are saying.
I'll also be pulling some late nighters over the next few weeks.
Will Root finally get that ton?!? |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 19:42 - Nov 14 with 788 views | mellowblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 18:47 - Nov 14 by Whos_blue |
Not sure that was the wisest of phrases to use but as others have mentioned I'm not sure he meant it in the way some are saying.
I'll also be pulling some late nighters over the next few weeks.
Will Root finally get that ton?!? |
I hope he gets his ton. Otherwise it will always be held against him when working out order of merit for the top batsmen (I refuse to say batter when the context is men). He will be 38 at the next Ashes and possibly past his best, so he has to make it count during this series. | | | |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 19:48 - Nov 14 with 778 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 14:53 - Nov 14 by soupytwist |
Overseas players aren't banned from Sheffield Shield but not many non-Australians have actually played in the competition. |
I remember Botham playing a season with Queensland. Graeme Hick too actually. But yes, very rare.
Mason Crane played once for NSW or maybe Victoria a few years back. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 08:51 - Nov 15 with 603 views | catch74 |
Big news, Hazelwood out of the first test and Wood cleared. Definitely helps. |  |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 12:49 - Nov 15 with 494 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 19:48 - Nov 14 by gainsboroughblue |
I remember Botham playing a season with Queensland. Graeme Hick too actually. But yes, very rare.
Mason Crane played once for NSW or maybe Victoria a few years back. |
But Mason Crane's middle name is Sidney so they allowed him to. | |
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| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 13:28 - Nov 15 with 462 views | Sharkey |
| Have we done any Ashes talk? on 19:48 - Nov 14 by gainsboroughblue |
I remember Botham playing a season with Queensland. Graeme Hick too actually. But yes, very rare.
Mason Crane played once for NSW or maybe Victoria a few years back. |
I remember Ken McEwan playing for W.Australia. Arguably the greatest player never to play a Test, so he had a long year to fill. |  | | |
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