| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? 23:10 - Nov 15 with 9214 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
https://metro.co.uk/video/brit
Is this actually for real? Without any self-awareness at all? Dressed like paramilitaries too. |  |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:27 - Nov 17 with 999 views | Luk38644 |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 14:30 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
I wouldn't say this is an alternative view, it's the view the likes of Farage and the right wing media have been peddling for years and that many people swallow wholesale.
You say "if they came through the legal refugee channels" which channels are you talking about? Unless they're from a very small handful of countries where we do have schemes in place for refugees, there aren't safe legal routes for asylum seekers to come here. Which is why they take such risks to come here by other methods. [Post edited 17 Nov 2025 14:51]
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Why are they taking such a risk though? You'll say 'fleeing war' but you surely you must accept that not all of them are fleeing war? We can't possibly know how many genuinely are or anything about them if they are allowed to come illegally.
By all means, make it easier for them to claim asylum legally and then we can control and vet every applicant appropriately, but no one should be advocating the boats crossing the channel as an alternative, it's completely unsustainable and stopping the boats also stops hundreds of migrant deaths a year.
You surely must accept it's completely unsustainable and has to stop? It takes me back to my original point of stop the boats, open more avenues for them to apply legally and then vet every single one of them. It's then up to whichever government is in at the time to accept/reject a certain number. |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:30 - Nov 17 with 992 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 14:13 - Nov 17 by Luk38644 |
At risk of being heavily downvoted, but there is a big difference between illegal migration such as the channel crossings, and legal migration where people come to work and give a service to the country, pay taxes etc etc;
Those that work in the NHS and other public services are overwhelmingly not illegal migrants who have come over the channel, they're legal migrants with paperwork doing it the legal way... I actually think the majority have absolutely no issue with this and if people want to come here to work and integrate into society, then fair play to them.
The problem people have is with illegal migration. How can you just say everyone coming is fleeing war and persecution? The point is that we don't know that, and if they went through the legal refugee channels, that could be verified.
Instead, we're letting in a lot of undocumented (mainly men) migrants who on the whole aren't going to contribute to society and in some cases from what we've already seen, actually can be a danger. Someone may correct me but I don't see one country on earth that just lets people in undocumented and with no knowledge of who they are, where they're from, what their past might be, any criminal activity etc; it's crazy really, completely unsustainable and in some extreme cases, incredibly dangerous.
In an ideal world, everyone would just pass from country to country freely, but that completely ignores how societies work, values and beliefs that countries are built on and that is what is causing friction amongst the British public. Feel free to call me a racist idiot or whatever but just trying to put across an alternative view. |
The majority of those arriving on small boats have their Asylum claims accepted and are not illegal migrants. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about those who are trying to cheat the system (see my point about certain nations of origin in my other post) and return them when they do come from a safe country.
However lumping all those crossing the channel in small boats as illegal migrants is factually wrong. |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:38 - Nov 17 with 960 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:27 - Nov 17 by Luk38644 |
Why are they taking such a risk though? You'll say 'fleeing war' but you surely you must accept that not all of them are fleeing war? We can't possibly know how many genuinely are or anything about them if they are allowed to come illegally.
By all means, make it easier for them to claim asylum legally and then we can control and vet every applicant appropriately, but no one should be advocating the boats crossing the channel as an alternative, it's completely unsustainable and stopping the boats also stops hundreds of migrant deaths a year.
You surely must accept it's completely unsustainable and has to stop? It takes me back to my original point of stop the boats, open more avenues for them to apply legally and then vet every single one of them. It's then up to whichever government is in at the time to accept/reject a certain number. |
Your last paragraph is the correct, pragmatic solution, but also the political problem. The best way to stop the boats is to make it not necessary or worthwhile. Tories strategies got it wrong by trying to penalise the crossings while offering no alternatives, so it was still worth doing.
The logical solution would be to assess as many cases prior to arrival, such that it no longer makes sense to risk the journey, however Farage, Tommy Ten-Names, etc... would rage against it and would want the number accepted to be zero. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:41 - Nov 17 with 943 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:24 - Nov 16 by Bigalhunter |
He’s crawled away from his steaming little t*rd, giggling with his fingers in his ears as always.
Utterly pointless engaging or even attempting to educate something as belligerently and proudly ignorant as that. |
Rather than constantly sniping from the relative safety of your keyboard, why don't you try engaging with benters?
BTW. This is what debating with somebody who holds different views to you looks like.
Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? by Kievthegreat 17 Nov 2025 15:38Your last paragraph is the correct, pragmatic solution, but also the political problem. The best way to stop the boats is to make it not necessary or worthwhile. Tories strategies got it wrong by trying to penalise the crossings while offering no alternatives, so it was still worth doing.
The logical solution would be to assess as many cases prior to arrival, such that it no longer makes sense to risk the journey, however Farage, Tommy Ten-Names, etc... would rage against it and would want the number accepted to be zero.
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:50 - Nov 17 with 913 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:21 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
The majority of those arriving by small boats are granted asylum. Acceptance rates as of 2024 was 63% of those arriving by small boats were granted asylum Although plenty still waiting on a decision to be made because of backlogs) . The nationalities with the most arrivals are: Afghanistan (31% accepted), Syria (99% accepted), Iran (41%) Vietnam (10%), Eritrea (86%) and Sudan (99%). Of them, 3 Countries which have ongoing civil wars and persecution and are up to 99% accepted, 2 countries with extremely repressive regimes that are middling and then the obvious outlier Vietnam where the vast majority of applicants are rejected.
Saying literally all Channel crossings are legitimate asylum seekers would false because like any system, there will be people looking to cheat or game it (in the Tory years, Albanians came in large numbers but only 2% got asylum). However I don't think anyone would take such a maximalist stance.
However it also has to be acknowledged that the majority of those crossing the channel ARE legitimately fleeing war and persecution. The point of the assessing the Asylum claims is so that the minority of applicants who are not genuine can be returned. |
And herein lies the problem. How many people know that stat? Why aren't the government highlighting that stat to counter reform propaganda? | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:56 - Nov 17 with 904 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:41 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Rather than constantly sniping from the relative safety of your keyboard, why don't you try engaging with benters?
BTW. This is what debating with somebody who holds different views to you looks like.
Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? by Kievthegreat 17 Nov 2025 15:38Your last paragraph is the correct, pragmatic solution, but also the political problem. The best way to stop the boats is to make it not necessary or worthwhile. Tories strategies got it wrong by trying to penalise the crossings while offering no alternatives, so it was still worth doing.
The logical solution would be to assess as many cases prior to arrival, such that it no longer makes sense to risk the journey, however Farage, Tommy Ten-Names, etc... would rage against it and would want the number accepted to be zero.
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While I'm flattered you picked out my post as a way to debate, I'd also point out there is a reason I didn't address any of Benters posts. He is not someone who brings nuance and perspectives. He is in my opinion a troll and very unserious.
I engaged with Luke because while he brought up points I disagree with or had issue with, but is actually advancing the discussion. Luke presented his thoughts and observations and actually spelled something out that could be discussed. Benters makes a multitude of single sentence, sometimes single word posts which while pithy, are just throwaway.
Could I respond to Benters? Yes, but I don't see the value in it. Not because he disagrees, but because I don't think he'd care what was replied to him. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:58 - Nov 17 with 893 views | Blueschev |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And herein lies the problem. How many people know that stat? Why aren't the government highlighting that stat to counter reform propaganda? |
A combination of fear and incompetence? |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:03 - Nov 17 with 874 views | Blueschev |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:06 - Nov 17 by Benters |
I bet the French would think it illegal if a load of Herbert’s rolled up on a beach without Passports. |
You do realise that France takes in considerably more refugees than the UK? | | | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:04 - Nov 17 with 873 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And herein lies the problem. How many people know that stat? Why aren't the government highlighting that stat to counter reform propaganda? |
I think one possible reason is that many people, especially those I think need to hear it most, won't believe it. People don't tend to trust politicians and at the end of the day, plenty of people on all sides will focus on the messenger over the message. Especially if it challenges any preconceptions. It's easier to believe you're being lied to than believing you are wrong sometimes.
I think Labour also have a strategy to try to steal Reform's rug from under them. It's going to land them in bother because they're doing a far better job of pissing off their current voter base than they are at attracting reforms. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:04 - Nov 17 with 865 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:21 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
The majority of those arriving by small boats are granted asylum. Acceptance rates as of 2024 was 63% of those arriving by small boats were granted asylum Although plenty still waiting on a decision to be made because of backlogs) . The nationalities with the most arrivals are: Afghanistan (31% accepted), Syria (99% accepted), Iran (41%) Vietnam (10%), Eritrea (86%) and Sudan (99%). Of them, 3 Countries which have ongoing civil wars and persecution and are up to 99% accepted, 2 countries with extremely repressive regimes that are middling and then the obvious outlier Vietnam where the vast majority of applicants are rejected.
Saying literally all Channel crossings are legitimate asylum seekers would false because like any system, there will be people looking to cheat or game it (in the Tory years, Albanians came in large numbers but only 2% got asylum). However I don't think anyone would take such a maximalist stance.
However it also has to be acknowledged that the majority of those crossing the channel ARE legitimately fleeing war and persecution. The point of the assessing the Asylum claims is so that the minority of applicants who are not genuine can be returned. |
while your stats are correct as far as the go, from starmer downwards there has been a huge loss of confidence in the asylum decision process. certainly the process bares little relationship to the intention behind the original refugee convention and over decades courts have taken it in directions at odds with those original intentions largely against the wishes of policy makers and the public. i don't know about the lib dems, but otherwise all of the major parties agree that reform of the decision process is needed. a significant proportion of the asylum decisions now made go way beyond the original treaty. so your stats, while correct, are far from the end of the debate. |  |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:15 - Nov 17 with 827 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:04 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
I think one possible reason is that many people, especially those I think need to hear it most, won't believe it. People don't tend to trust politicians and at the end of the day, plenty of people on all sides will focus on the messenger over the message. Especially if it challenges any preconceptions. It's easier to believe you're being lied to than believing you are wrong sometimes.
I think Labour also have a strategy to try to steal Reform's rug from under them. It's going to land them in bother because they're doing a far better job of pissing off their current voter base than they are at attracting reforms. |
It's short termism with one eye on every cycle of local elections. Starmer has a huge majority and the next general election doesn't have to be for another 4 years.
I wish we had a somebody who would ignore the polling and ignore in-party dissent and use that majority to make a clearer case for the benefit of immigration whilst at the same time addressing the concerns of people where there simply isn't that benefit of the perception of it.
I know that's a aive view though. Instead we continue with the binary argument pushed by the extremes that J2 alluded to in a previous thread. You are either in favour of completely open borders or you are a thick racist. There never seems to be any middle ground in this debate. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:16 - Nov 17 with 821 views | Luk38644 |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:38 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
Your last paragraph is the correct, pragmatic solution, but also the political problem. The best way to stop the boats is to make it not necessary or worthwhile. Tories strategies got it wrong by trying to penalise the crossings while offering no alternatives, so it was still worth doing.
The logical solution would be to assess as many cases prior to arrival, such that it no longer makes sense to risk the journey, however Farage, Tommy Ten-Names, etc... would rage against it and would want the number accepted to be zero. |
Thank you for replying in a well measured way while disagreeing with some of my points.
I actually think we have some common ground in that response, I fully agree we need to have alternative avenues for asylum applications and it would be best done prior to movement so that the necessity to make that journey is taken away. Of course the point I made was also about having unvetted people entering the country, but it is also a huge safety problem in terms of people losing their lives trying to cross the channel, it really needs to stop for that reason alone.
Unfortunately, Tories & Labour seem to be flapping in the wind regarding policy on the matter and going with what they perceive as the populist view to try cling on to power, that's why people are moving away from them and opting for alternative parties either side of the political spectrum that seem to have a clear plan (albeit that would also probably evaporate if any of them got into power). | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:27 - Nov 17 with 783 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:15 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
It's short termism with one eye on every cycle of local elections. Starmer has a huge majority and the next general election doesn't have to be for another 4 years.
I wish we had a somebody who would ignore the polling and ignore in-party dissent and use that majority to make a clearer case for the benefit of immigration whilst at the same time addressing the concerns of people where there simply isn't that benefit of the perception of it.
I know that's a aive view though. Instead we continue with the binary argument pushed by the extremes that J2 alluded to in a previous thread. You are either in favour of completely open borders or you are a thick racist. There never seems to be any middle ground in this debate. |
the debate should be about the reasons that we need migrants (including our obligations under the refugee convention) and the numbers that then implies. the outcome will be very far from zero. we need an immigration policy based upon agreed and broadly held principles. the public then needs to be given confidence that the people who arrive are then genuinely consistent with that policy. the two side of the binary argument - that it should be zero or it should be effectively unlimited - are preventing that debate from occurring. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:28 - Nov 17 with 776 views | Luk38644 |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:27 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
the debate should be about the reasons that we need migrants (including our obligations under the refugee convention) and the numbers that then implies. the outcome will be very far from zero. we need an immigration policy based upon agreed and broadly held principles. the public then needs to be given confidence that the people who arrive are then genuinely consistent with that policy. the two side of the binary argument - that it should be zero or it should be effectively unlimited - are preventing that debate from occurring. |
Worded better than I ever could, fully agree. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:00 - Nov 17 with 707 views | DJR |
The proposals have got the thumbs up from our Tommy and in my view merely reinforce and play into the often false narrative that exists in relation to this topic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
Interestingly, that narrative seems even to have won over a majority of Green voters to the proposals.
Luke Tryl from More in Common has released some polling suggesting ideas similar to those being announced by the government are broadly popular with people who voted Labour last year. More in Common asked about measures introduced in Denmark, after it was reported that the Home Office plans were in part inspired by recent Danish ones. The proposals are less popular with people currently supporting the Greens, but even this cohort is more in favour than opposed. [Post edited 17 Nov 2025 17:02]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:07 - Nov 17 with 690 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:27 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
the debate should be about the reasons that we need migrants (including our obligations under the refugee convention) and the numbers that then implies. the outcome will be very far from zero. we need an immigration policy based upon agreed and broadly held principles. the public then needs to be given confidence that the people who arrive are then genuinely consistent with that policy. the two side of the binary argument - that it should be zero or it should be effectively unlimited - are preventing that debate from occurring. |
I think it's important to remember that refugee numbers are not predictable and static quotas are arbitrary. Ukraine saw 100k+ additional refugees resettled in the UK in a single year out of the blue. Maybe Syria or Lebanon will flare up again. Whether a person is a refugee should be based on situation and need, not on being one of the first 10,000 in line. It needs to be reactive to the world around us. If Russian tanks rolled into Kyiv and attacked the Baltics or Poland (not as fanciful an idea anymore), there'd be potentially 1,000,000s more people fleeing again.
As for regulated migration (like economic), then by all means set some quotas, but then we need to be honest about them. If there are less than about 100k net migration, the UK population will diminish, the ratio of workers to dependents will diminish even further, less staff in critical employment, etc... Again it gets back to no-one wants to argue this because it's not an easy discussion. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:18 - Nov 17 with 670 views | Herbivore |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:15 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
It's short termism with one eye on every cycle of local elections. Starmer has a huge majority and the next general election doesn't have to be for another 4 years.
I wish we had a somebody who would ignore the polling and ignore in-party dissent and use that majority to make a clearer case for the benefit of immigration whilst at the same time addressing the concerns of people where there simply isn't that benefit of the perception of it.
I know that's a aive view though. Instead we continue with the binary argument pushed by the extremes that J2 alluded to in a previous thread. You are either in favour of completely open borders or you are a thick racist. There never seems to be any middle ground in this debate. |
Who is in favour of completely open borders? I don't think I've seen anyone arguing in favour of having a complete open door policy to immigration. |  |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:25 - Nov 17 with 651 views | Herbivore |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:27 - Nov 17 by Luk38644 |
Why are they taking such a risk though? You'll say 'fleeing war' but you surely you must accept that not all of them are fleeing war? We can't possibly know how many genuinely are or anything about them if they are allowed to come illegally.
By all means, make it easier for them to claim asylum legally and then we can control and vet every applicant appropriately, but no one should be advocating the boats crossing the channel as an alternative, it's completely unsustainable and stopping the boats also stops hundreds of migrant deaths a year.
You surely must accept it's completely unsustainable and has to stop? It takes me back to my original point of stop the boats, open more avenues for them to apply legally and then vet every single one of them. It's then up to whichever government is in at the time to accept/reject a certain number. |
I agree we should be opening up safe and legal routes. Nobody wants to see people risking their lives to cross the channel. The problem is such routes don't exist currently and so we are effectively forcing people to find alternative ways to enter the country
But some of your other asks aren't necessarily realistic. If you're fleeing war or persecution, you don't have time to apply for a passport and if you did, you might not get one because you either don't have a functioning government to grant one or because you're part of a persecuted group, you won't be granted one. For the same reason, doing meaningful background checks on asylum seekers when they apply isn't always feasible. That said, there are ways to check where people are from and whether they are genuine claimants. You scrutinise their story, check their local knowledge of where they claim to come from, you check their dialect and whether that matches what they are saying about their background, for anyone claiming to be under 18, they undergo age assessments. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:47 - Nov 17 with 584 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:07 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
I think it's important to remember that refugee numbers are not predictable and static quotas are arbitrary. Ukraine saw 100k+ additional refugees resettled in the UK in a single year out of the blue. Maybe Syria or Lebanon will flare up again. Whether a person is a refugee should be based on situation and need, not on being one of the first 10,000 in line. It needs to be reactive to the world around us. If Russian tanks rolled into Kyiv and attacked the Baltics or Poland (not as fanciful an idea anymore), there'd be potentially 1,000,000s more people fleeing again.
As for regulated migration (like economic), then by all means set some quotas, but then we need to be honest about them. If there are less than about 100k net migration, the UK population will diminish, the ratio of workers to dependents will diminish even further, less staff in critical employment, etc... Again it gets back to no-one wants to argue this because it's not an easy discussion. |
i agree you can't have quotas for refugees. it will properly depend on what is happening in the world. but what we do need is for there to be public confidence in the process and criteria which decides the granting of asylum. the public, and politicians across the parties, do not currently have confidence that the courts are applying the right criteria or that they are consistent with the spirit of the original convention.
your 100k figure seems to me to be uncontroversial. but the fact is that we are contrasting that with net migration of 3 million in the last 4 years. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:57 - Nov 17 with 537 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:18 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Who is in favour of completely open borders? I don't think I've seen anyone arguing in favour of having a complete open door policy to immigration. |
if you contrast net migration of 3 million in 4 years with all of the uk's previous experience it is as close to 'open borders' as makes no difference. if you don't say that number is too high then what would be - 4 million? 5 million? | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:05 - Nov 17 with 523 views | Herbivore |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:57 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
if you contrast net migration of 3 million in 4 years with all of the uk's previous experience it is as close to 'open borders' as makes no difference. if you don't say that number is too high then what would be - 4 million? 5 million? |
I've not seen anyone defending the Tories' record on immigration. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:08 - Nov 17 with 519 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:18 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Who is in favour of completely open borders? I don't think I've seen anyone arguing in favour of having a complete open door policy to immigration. |
nobody sensible. But that is how the far right portray anyone who is pro immigration. Likewise, we have seen those on the other end of the political spectrum brand people as thick or ignorant racists if they put forward genuine concerns to the contrary. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:17 - Nov 17 with 490 views | bartyg |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:02 - Nov 17 by Benters |
Excellent post Luke.
You put it miles better than I could ever do so. |
Because you're just an ignorant loser? |  |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:19 - Nov 17 with 478 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 14:13 - Nov 17 by Luk38644 |
At risk of being heavily downvoted, but there is a big difference between illegal migration such as the channel crossings, and legal migration where people come to work and give a service to the country, pay taxes etc etc;
Those that work in the NHS and other public services are overwhelmingly not illegal migrants who have come over the channel, they're legal migrants with paperwork doing it the legal way... I actually think the majority have absolutely no issue with this and if people want to come here to work and integrate into society, then fair play to them.
The problem people have is with illegal migration. How can you just say everyone coming is fleeing war and persecution? The point is that we don't know that, and if they went through the legal refugee channels, that could be verified.
Instead, we're letting in a lot of undocumented (mainly men) migrants who on the whole aren't going to contribute to society and in some cases from what we've already seen, actually can be a danger. Someone may correct me but I don't see one country on earth that just lets people in undocumented and with no knowledge of who they are, where they're from, what their past might be, any criminal activity etc; it's crazy really, completely unsustainable and in some extreme cases, incredibly dangerous.
In an ideal world, everyone would just pass from country to country freely, but that completely ignores how societies work, values and beliefs that countries are built on and that is what is causing friction amongst the British public. Feel free to call me a racist idiot or whatever but just trying to put across an alternative view. |
You do realise that many people who have been here for years and now have residency started of as refugees with possibly little in the way of paperwork.
Also you say no other country on earth would let these people in..Last time I looked France was the other side of the channel so how doesn't square with your rhetoric? |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:30 - Nov 17 with 458 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:21 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
The majority of those arriving by small boats are granted asylum. Acceptance rates as of 2024 was 63% of those arriving by small boats were granted asylum Although plenty still waiting on a decision to be made because of backlogs) . The nationalities with the most arrivals are: Afghanistan (31% accepted), Syria (99% accepted), Iran (41%) Vietnam (10%), Eritrea (86%) and Sudan (99%). Of them, 3 Countries which have ongoing civil wars and persecution and are up to 99% accepted, 2 countries with extremely repressive regimes that are middling and then the obvious outlier Vietnam where the vast majority of applicants are rejected.
Saying literally all Channel crossings are legitimate asylum seekers would false because like any system, there will be people looking to cheat or game it (in the Tory years, Albanians came in large numbers but only 2% got asylum). However I don't think anyone would take such a maximalist stance.
However it also has to be acknowledged that the majority of those crossing the channel ARE legitimately fleeing war and persecution. The point of the assessing the Asylum claims is so that the minority of applicants who are not genuine can be returned. |
Excellent. Thank you hor posting this.
Let those warbling on about illegals and tonnes of criminals take note. Unless ignorance is bliss... [Post edited 17 Nov 2025 18:33]
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