| Wales Tactics Yesterday 14:39 - Nov 19 with 1326 views | Wacko |
"The way we were able to use the ball, our timing. We didn't play with a forward, we had three [number] 10s. But they were in the position where you drag someone out and someone runs, then the wide players were connected with it as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c8ey08wwyx0o
Something for KMcK to consider? |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 14:59 - Nov 19 with 1243 views | NthQldITFC |
Why? |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:25 - Nov 19 with 1188 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 14:59 - Nov 19 by NthQldITFC |
Why? |
Because they scored seven? |  | | |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:36 - Nov 19 with 1157 views | Wacko |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:25 - Nov 19 by Alberto_the_frog |
Because they scored seven? |
Exactly. And our two forwards aren’t exactly pulling up trees. Could be another option to relieve a bit of pressure on them | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:09 - Nov 19 with 1103 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:36 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
Exactly. And our two forwards aren’t exactly pulling up trees. Could be another option to relieve a bit of pressure on them |
"our two forwards aren’t exactly pulling up trees." Which two would they be?
Hirst 12 starts 5 goals
Philogene 10 starts 6 goals
Clarke 6 starts 6 goals
Of course, I am sure McKenna is always looking at various tactics and if withdrawing the number 9 will draw out the opposition defenders and allow the other forwards into the space created I am sure he will do that. I doubt there are many Championship sides that will push up their central defenders if the number 9 plays deep, though. I am also sure that if Hirst plays deeper than the number 10s, there will be a lot of fans criticising the tactic (not that it would stop McKenna if he thought it would work). |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:20 - Nov 19 with 1068 views | Wacko |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:09 - Nov 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"our two forwards aren’t exactly pulling up trees." Which two would they be?
Hirst 12 starts 5 goals
Philogene 10 starts 6 goals
Clarke 6 starts 6 goals
Of course, I am sure McKenna is always looking at various tactics and if withdrawing the number 9 will draw out the opposition defenders and allow the other forwards into the space created I am sure he will do that. I doubt there are many Championship sides that will push up their central defenders if the number 9 plays deep, though. I am also sure that if Hirst plays deeper than the number 10s, there will be a lot of fans criticising the tactic (not that it would stop McKenna if he thought it would work). |
I mean Hirst and Azon. I’m actually a fan of both but for some reason this season they’re having (and missing) a lot more chances, and taking a lot more flak and pressure from the fan base. Whereas in our last Champ season the central strikers weren’t really the main goalscorers (more support for Chappers and Broadhead etc) so this would be more about relieving pressure | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:23 - Nov 19 with 1057 views | Steve_M |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:25 - Nov 19 by Alberto_the_frog |
Because they scored seven? |
Against a good team right? |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:24 - Nov 19 with 1059 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:20 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
I mean Hirst and Azon. I’m actually a fan of both but for some reason this season they’re having (and missing) a lot more chances, and taking a lot more flak and pressure from the fan base. Whereas in our last Champ season the central strikers weren’t really the main goalscorers (more support for Chappers and Broadhead etc) so this would be more about relieving pressure |
And yet I wonder whether Chaplin and Broadhead had more than 6 goals each at this stage in that season. I think the biggest thing has been our results. If we go on a winning run and are in the top 3 I don't think anyone will worry who is scoring the goals. It isn't just Hirst and Azon who have missed good chances. Nunez, Taylor and Kipre all spring immediately to mind. | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:41 - Nov 19 with 1010 views | homer_123 |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:23 - Nov 19 by Steve_M |
Against a good team right? |
And not forgetting 'how' KM likes his striker to play. |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 17:59 - Nov 19 with 894 views | Wacko |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:23 - Nov 19 by Steve_M |
Against a good team right? |
By definition looking at the table they’re about the same standard as Wales, and only conceded 3 goals previously | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:12 - Nov 19 with 848 views | J2BLUE |
Just as it's beginning to click, Hirst has had a confidence boost and Azon has got off the mark?
May be one to keep in reserve but for now, no. |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:16 - Nov 19 with 839 views | Wacko |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 16:24 - Nov 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And yet I wonder whether Chaplin and Broadhead had more than 6 goals each at this stage in that season. I think the biggest thing has been our results. If we go on a winning run and are in the top 3 I don't think anyone will worry who is scoring the goals. It isn't just Hirst and Azon who have missed good chances. Nunez, Taylor and Kipre all spring immediately to mind. |
They did indeed both have 6 goals each at this stage that season | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:33 - Nov 19 with 816 views | ghostofescobar |
Bit of a misnomer I think. KM has never built his teams attacking threat around only a single striker (or 2 strikers if that’s the system, but that isn’t KM’s system). KM has always had teams that score from many positions. Connor Chaplin scored 28 goals in the 22/23 season, as a number 10. I think he is not only intelligent enough to have considered it, but has actually put it into play, for all to see, for a number of years, so I think your point is misplaced at best. |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:52 - Nov 19 with 767 views | Wacko |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:33 - Nov 19 by ghostofescobar |
Bit of a misnomer I think. KM has never built his teams attacking threat around only a single striker (or 2 strikers if that’s the system, but that isn’t KM’s system). KM has always had teams that score from many positions. Connor Chaplin scored 28 goals in the 22/23 season, as a number 10. I think he is not only intelligent enough to have considered it, but has actually put it into play, for all to see, for a number of years, so I think your point is misplaced at best. |
KMcK has always played with one physical central striker and the fans here get very tetchy when a) Hirst gets injured / isn’t playing well, b) we don’t sign decent backups.
I’m suggesting another option seeing as we have a lot of decent (potentially Prem quality) number 10s and only 2 central strikers (who are probably not Prem quality). So my point is in a perfectly valid place! | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 07:52 - Nov 20 with 479 views | Len_Brennan |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 18:52 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
KMcK has always played with one physical central striker and the fans here get very tetchy when a) Hirst gets injured / isn’t playing well, b) we don’t sign decent backups.
I’m suggesting another option seeing as we have a lot of decent (potentially Prem quality) number 10s and only 2 central strikers (who are probably not Prem quality). So my point is in a perfectly valid place! |
But we did try that to some degree in the first half of the L1 promotion season, when we had missed out on Hirst to Blackburn & John Jules was playing as a false #9 at times. We were so much more effective with a centre forward in the side, used as a focal point for the 3 attackers, or 2 #10s to play off.
We are trying to do something different this year, with better players, that will allow us to adapt far better upon (hopefully) promotion back to the PL. We can't keep comparing the way we played 2 years ago with now, as if the circumstances & expectations are exactly the same as then, & opposition sides allow us the same level of freedom to play as they did then.
The loss of Chaplin is significant, especially to Hirst & his game, I would say, because those two hit it off immediately & had a great understanding of each other's games; for me Hirst is still trying to come to terms with the movement, runs & delivery of some of his newer teammates, but all that has been improving in recent games. With that confidence, comes composure for his touch & finishing, although I still wouldn't have him as our main penalty taker. [Post edited 20 Nov 7:57]
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 07:52 - Nov 20 with 478 views | Vic |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:25 - Nov 19 by Alberto_the_frog |
Because they scored seven? |
Every team has those days. I think it’s relent that we’ve just had back to back away wins in which we’ve scored 8 goals. As someone else has said, it’s the results that have let us down so far, rather than the overall lack of goals we’ve scored. Those 7 for Wales will mean nothing if they fail to qualify. |  |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 08:28 - Nov 20 with 411 views | Jon_456 |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 15:36 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
Exactly. And our two forwards aren’t exactly pulling up trees. Could be another option to relieve a bit of pressure on them |
We’re joint 2nd top scorers in the league and only failed to score in two games which was simply down to individuals missing chances they should really score.
On the flip side, we’ve only kept two clean sheets all season. It’s fine conceding 1-2 if you’re scoring 3 or 4 but you can’t rely on that every week.
On the original suggestion, if football was as easy as simply dropping a player in a bit deeper, don’t you think we would have tried that by now? The club don’t spend the money they do on backroom staff for them to do nothing all day. There’s so much that goes on in a game tactically that a lot of fans are completely oblivious to because it’s so complex and as KM has alluded to before, it’s very subtle changes that can make the difference. | | | |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 09:28 - Nov 20 with 364 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 07:52 - Nov 20 by Vic |
Every team has those days. I think it’s relent that we’ve just had back to back away wins in which we’ve scored 8 goals. As someone else has said, it’s the results that have let us down so far, rather than the overall lack of goals we’ve scored. Those 7 for Wales will mean nothing if they fail to qualify. |
Whilst it’s true we’ve scored a reasonable number, the results that haven’t gone our way have invariably been down to us not taking our chances in those games, before falling to a sucker punch.
Charlton being a great example - we should have been well in control of the result by half time, but weren’t, and then it all went terrible wrong. Had we taken our first half chance, we’d like have take 3 points, not 0. | | | |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 09:50 - Nov 20 with 343 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 14:59 - Nov 19 by NthQldITFC |
Why? |
Why?
You're failing to remember that our "multi-million pound per year manager" has been found out because he has no plan B.
There's a reason why people say "such and such a person is playing the Hirst role" it's because our very transparent manager inherited a team and chanced on a system which went unchallenged for 2 years and earned us back to back promotions. Unfortunately, our "multi-million pound per year manager" was found out last year, and despite having one of the most expensively assembled squads in the division is currently misfiring because he keeps changing the starting XI because he doesn't know what the best team for his "one-trick pony" gameplan is.
Clearly, the only way we are going to get promotion is when Wes Burns comes back. Everything was fine when he was playing and it's no coincidence that it all went wrong when he went off injured against Liverpool on the opening day of the season. The score at that moment was 0:0 and had Wes not gone off, we would have won and stayed up.
KMcK clearly hasn't found a player to adequately play "the Wes role" and this is why we are now rubbish.
If Wes had been playing for Wales in their cunning three number 10s plan against the mighty North Macedonia, Wales would have probably scored in excess of 14 goals, if they 'd wanted to.
I think it's time to thank Kieran for his service and swoop for the Wales interim coach Piet Cremers before Liverpool (who have also been found out this year) do.
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 10:50 - Nov 20 with 297 views | Vic |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 09:50 - Nov 20 by Cafe_Newman |
Why?
You're failing to remember that our "multi-million pound per year manager" has been found out because he has no plan B.
There's a reason why people say "such and such a person is playing the Hirst role" it's because our very transparent manager inherited a team and chanced on a system which went unchallenged for 2 years and earned us back to back promotions. Unfortunately, our "multi-million pound per year manager" was found out last year, and despite having one of the most expensively assembled squads in the division is currently misfiring because he keeps changing the starting XI because he doesn't know what the best team for his "one-trick pony" gameplan is.
Clearly, the only way we are going to get promotion is when Wes Burns comes back. Everything was fine when he was playing and it's no coincidence that it all went wrong when he went off injured against Liverpool on the opening day of the season. The score at that moment was 0:0 and had Wes not gone off, we would have won and stayed up.
KMcK clearly hasn't found a player to adequately play "the Wes role" and this is why we are now rubbish.
If Wes had been playing for Wales in their cunning three number 10s plan against the mighty North Macedonia, Wales would have probably scored in excess of 14 goals, if they 'd wanted to.
I think it's time to thank Kieran for his service and swoop for the Wales interim coach Piet Cremers before Liverpool (who have also been found out this year) do.
Obviously. |
You nearly had me there! | |
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| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 17:33 - Nov 20 with 172 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Wales Tactics Yesterday on 10:50 - Nov 20 by Vic |
You nearly had me there! |
Was it the "mighty" North Macedonia that gave it away? | | | |
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