| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. 16:32 - Dec 3 with 2241 views | DublinBlue84 |
Things which he said there have already been contradicted a short while later. [Post edited 3 Dec 16:41]
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum seem hollow now on 16:34 - Dec 3 with 2194 views | J2BLUE |
Why? They can be as committed as ever while cashing in some of their chips and allowing new investment to increase the value of their remaining stake. |  |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum seem hollow now on 16:42 - Dec 3 with 2091 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum seem hollow now on 16:34 - Dec 3 by J2BLUE |
Why? They can be as committed as ever while cashing in some of their chips and allowing new investment to increase the value of their remaining stake. |
Just noticed that Ed Schwartz is actually also a part of Clara Vista?
https://claravistapartners.com/people
So he's technically involved with two organisations now that have ownerships in the club? | |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum seem hollow now on 16:44 - Dec 3 with 2038 views | J2BLUE |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum seem hollow now on 16:42 - Dec 3 by DublinBlue84 |
Just noticed that Ed Schwartz is actually also a part of Clara Vista?
https://claravistapartners.com/people
So he's technically involved with two organisations now that have ownerships in the club? |
Didn't know that. That's good. | |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:18 - Dec 3 with 1756 views | Daninthecampo |
So the pension fund is down to about 15% ownership and the 3 lions have dramatically increased their holdings
Clara vista now have 15% too, Phils article said they were also involved in Brightpath 45% last year which is to maintained, does anymore to what level they were involved? If heavily then they're pretty much the biggest owners. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:37 - Dec 3 with 1642 views | PhilTWTD |
Having known that this as happening in some guise or another for a while, I think his comments, as I wrote them up, are wholly consistent with what's happened.
Quizzed on further changes in the ownership following Bright Path’s investment and with the pension fund likely to divest some of its stake at some point, Schwartz continued: “It’s really interesting, it’s a really good question. There’s always an evolution in the ownership group where certain investors and funds sometimes like to dial-up their investments and others want to dial down." |  | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:42 - Dec 3 with 1582 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:37 - Dec 3 by PhilTWTD |
Having known that this as happening in some guise or another for a while, I think his comments, as I wrote them up, are wholly consistent with what's happened.
Quizzed on further changes in the ownership following Bright Path’s investment and with the pension fund likely to divest some of its stake at some point, Schwartz continued: “It’s really interesting, it’s a really good question. There’s always an evolution in the ownership group where certain investors and funds sometimes like to dial-up their investments and others want to dial down." |
Could we see the ownership structure become less patient?
Pension fund was always a long-term investment, the PE folk not so. [Post edited 3 Dec 17:44]
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:49 - Dec 3 with 1524 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:42 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Could we see the ownership structure become less patient?
Pension fund was always a long-term investment, the PE folk not so. [Post edited 3 Dec 17:44]
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Time will tell, I suppose, but I think the pension fund and Three Lions continuing to have a significant involvement in the manner they are would suggest there is an aim to stick with how the club has been run up to now since the takeover. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:54 - Dec 3 with 1438 views | Churchman |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:42 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Could we see the ownership structure become less patient?
Pension fund was always a long-term investment, the PE folk not so. [Post edited 3 Dec 17:44]
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I think more to the point, could the new ownership structure start cashing in its chips by selling assets and canning future projects after the training ground is complete?
Doom mongering, because I don’t know how this structure works and what their aims are.
Phil - i guess the question comes down to is the ownership still as ambitious for the future of the club and Ashton and Schwartz so recently claimed? |  | | |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:57 - Dec 3 with 1411 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Been in the works a while, the CV group been out and about watching games with fans in NYC all season. |  |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 18:02 - Dec 3 with 1365 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:42 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Could we see the ownership structure become less patient?
Pension fund was always a long-term investment, the PE folk not so. [Post edited 3 Dec 17:44]
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The pension fund have taken a profit at the first opportunity!
They've now got 15% of the club, effectively for free. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 18:53 - Dec 3 with 1078 views | itfc_bucks |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 18:02 - Dec 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The pension fund have taken a profit at the first opportunity!
They've now got 15% of the club, effectively for free. |
Not quite sure that's the most valid way of looking at investments. | |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 19:28 - Dec 3 with 892 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 18:02 - Dec 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The pension fund have taken a profit at the first opportunity!
They've now got 15% of the club, effectively for free. |
They’ve done well, invested well at the right time and extracted good value. Subsequent investors may not see such a return unless we become established in the prem. |  |
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| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 20:13 - Dec 3 with 657 views | stonojnr |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:42 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Could we see the ownership structure become less patient?
Pension fund was always a long-term investment, the PE folk not so. [Post edited 3 Dec 17:44]
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why ? because footballs litered with examples of how a lack of patience is the road to success ? no thought not. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 20:29 - Dec 3 with 555 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 20:13 - Dec 3 by stonojnr |
why ? because footballs litered with examples of how a lack of patience is the road to success ? no thought not. |
Private Equity tends to look for an ‘out’ within 5 years in my sector and anywhere from 2 to 5 times return on that investment.
It’s not a long term play for the majority, hence my question if the balance of ownership has tipped away from the long-term aims of a pension fund.
Not being alarmist, just a genuine question as that PE driven ownership changes behaviours where they have invested. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 21:18 - Dec 3 with 382 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 17:54 - Dec 3 by Churchman |
I think more to the point, could the new ownership structure start cashing in its chips by selling assets and canning future projects after the training ground is complete?
Doom mongering, because I don’t know how this structure works and what their aims are.
Phil - i guess the question comes down to is the ownership still as ambitious for the future of the club and Ashton and Schwartz so recently claimed? |
Club is now valued at £350million
https://apple.news/Aki6Gxf1_Q6uUtKaHn7JIBQ
“The Arizona state pension fund that bought Ipswich Town in 2021 has sold a large chunk of its shares in the Suffolk-based club in a deal that values them at more than £350million ($446.9m), a record for a Championship team.
The Public Safety Personnel Retirement System (PSPRS), via its investment manager ORG, paid about £30million ($40m) for 90 per cent of the then-League One club in April 2021, which was also a record price at the time for a team in England’s third tier.“ | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 21:18 - Dec 3 with 380 views | DavoIPB |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 20:29 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Private Equity tends to look for an ‘out’ within 5 years in my sector and anywhere from 2 to 5 times return on that investment.
It’s not a long term play for the majority, hence my question if the balance of ownership has tipped away from the long-term aims of a pension fund.
Not being alarmist, just a genuine question as that PE driven ownership changes behaviours where they have invested. |
They said near the begining it was a 5-7 year project. | | | |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 21:24 - Dec 3 with 358 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ed Schwartz words at the fans forum have a new twist. on 21:18 - Dec 3 by ElderGrizzly |
Club is now valued at £350million
https://apple.news/Aki6Gxf1_Q6uUtKaHn7JIBQ
“The Arizona state pension fund that bought Ipswich Town in 2021 has sold a large chunk of its shares in the Suffolk-based club in a deal that values them at more than £350million ($446.9m), a record for a Championship team.
The Public Safety Personnel Retirement System (PSPRS), via its investment manager ORG, paid about £30million ($40m) for 90 per cent of the then-League One club in April 2021, which was also a record price at the time for a team in England’s third tier.“ |
That's taken from Brett Johnson's email in the summer. Gather it's actually valued at a fair bit more than that based on the recent transactions. | | | |
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