| Quite suprised by KM really 21:53 - Dec 5 with 3316 views | FrimleyBlue |
First real tough time hes had at town and first time theres been perhaps 10% of a gambase having a moan and hes beginning the mick Mccarthy its the fans fault direction and that never ends well.
Im suprised hes gone this route. Only results and performances will change people's minds. He knows this. He himself only a few months ago said the players are the ones who have to get the fans to love them.
KM also knows the type of football the fans want. They spoke about it again at the fans forum. Lately its been walking football. So the heat is either on the players because they're not doing what im asks so then he can't bemoan fans reactions. Or he holds his hands up and takes the can so that the fans then know its not on the players its the managers instructions and the fans can then try and understand and appreciate what the plan is. Otherwise it is simply a squad of very expensively put together walking around a pitch when we are used to so more effort.
Anyways. He hasn't said anything wrong. Im not going that far with it. Hes come across well in how's he said it. But im just surprised hes going the fan route when its never a positive path when ever a manager does it
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 06:21 - Dec 6 with 410 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 23:21 - Dec 5 by BouncebackIpswich |
I think this thread is completely fair. McKenna has hinted a few times now that the fans are playing a part in the teams underperformance. It either smacks of a man who is believing his own hype, or is looking to deflect the blame away from himself and the team.
Does he have a point? Maybe, but that's modern football crowds for you, the likes of Leeds would be baying for his blood by now, he needs to try and get fans on side rather than create an us Vs them mentality. |
“he needs to try and get fans on side rather than create an us Vs them mentality”.
I reckon he should hold a press conference where he explains his approach and emphasises how important the atmosphere and togetherness is to the team. That should do it. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 07:01 - Dec 6 with 355 views | HighgateBlue |
Don't worry, if he gets as much performance out of the players, per pound spent, as Mick did, then we'll be jostling with Coventry in no tine. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 07:16 - Dec 6 with 337 views | ArnieM |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:55 - Dec 5 by Nutkins_Return |
He didn't mind being asked the question. He said he understood it. He understood why people would look at that. And then gave his opinion and also why he didn't think it was helpful. What's not fair enough about that. If he didn't ask the question people would be saying he's dodging the question and not liking being challenged about it. He can't win. |
Bit like posting on here then, lol! |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 10:38 - Dec 6 with 250 views | Guthrum |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:01 - Dec 5 by ArnieM |
I think its similar tbh. He doesn't like to be challenged about his approach. Nor did McCarthy. He seems a little bit sensitive about fans questioning the efforts of the players and himself,so did McCarthy. He's already accused the fans projecting a " difficult atmosphere" at a recent home game. McCarthy also projected / apportionment " blame" on fans .. .. |
I don't think any manager would be. Including Sir Bob and definitiely the likes of Sir Alf, or Sir Alex Ferguson, for that matter. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 10:59 - Dec 6 with 216 views | Pinewoodblue |
Frimley makes a fair comment and his post doesn’t deserve the number of down votes. I suspect many of those are aimed at the poster rather than the post.
The only way fans reaction might get at players would be if they were following instructions when doing things fans disapprove of. I’m also sure players do not redpond favourably seeing their manager, hands in pockets, disassociating himself from what is happening on the field. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:04 - Dec 6 with 207 views | Benters |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 10:59 - Dec 6 by Pinewoodblue |
Frimley makes a fair comment and his post doesn’t deserve the number of down votes. I suspect many of those are aimed at the poster rather than the post.
The only way fans reaction might get at players would be if they were following instructions when doing things fans disapprove of. I’m also sure players do not redpond favourably seeing their manager, hands in pockets, disassociating himself from what is happening on the field. |
The old played the man and not the post .. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:05 - Dec 6 with 207 views | mrshallisfit |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:05 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
Where has he said it is the fans' fault?
Although maybe he'd have a point – because the weird and surely wilful failure of people to engage in primary school levels of comprehension, instead bending pretty simple and mundane things to their own thirst for scandal and drama, never ends well at all. [Post edited 5 Dec 22:06]
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He seems more precious than I thought he would be. The little sulk in an earlier game towards the North Stand. The over-the-top comment of Portman Road being a very difficult atmosphere. He wants to try a few city clubs and see what a difficult atmosphere is. He is on £5M a year with a very large war chest available. I would the think the fans would expect to see more than has been delivered so far. I'm afraid he should suck it up and start producing the goods. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:12 - Dec 6 with 195 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:12 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
What's coming up is continued cherry-picking to feed people's sad but very modern addiction to the outrageous, while ignoring what is actually written or said. |
Who cares what is written or said, all that counts is results.
Sadly, they haven't been good enough. | | | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:25 - Dec 6 with 176 views | Xatticus |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:10 - Dec 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Going down the route of...
Few weeks ago the fans caused an atmosphere
Today its something else.
Whats coming up in an few weeks if things havent improved... |
He isn't wrong. Neither was McCarthy for what it's worth. I think it's a mistake to indulge it though and that was ultimately McCarthy's downfall.
I personally find it tiresome as well. People complain for the sake of complaining. We aren't entitled to success and I trust that those in charge are capable and hardworking. They have been good stewards. We know they can build and develop a squad and we know they can get us out of this division because they have done it.
Do you abandon players that go through a rough patch of form? Do you yearn for the days when 500k was a major investment in the squad?
I get that you aren't making these arguments, but what you are doing is directing blame at McKenna for responding to a question about a vocal minority of petulant fans. I ignore them. I hope McKenna ignores them. I'd like it if you wouldn't try to stir up crap by making a topic of it, but that's your prerogative. | | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:32 - Dec 6 with 164 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 11:25 - Dec 6 by Xatticus |
He isn't wrong. Neither was McCarthy for what it's worth. I think it's a mistake to indulge it though and that was ultimately McCarthy's downfall.
I personally find it tiresome as well. People complain for the sake of complaining. We aren't entitled to success and I trust that those in charge are capable and hardworking. They have been good stewards. We know they can build and develop a squad and we know they can get us out of this division because they have done it.
Do you abandon players that go through a rough patch of form? Do you yearn for the days when 500k was a major investment in the squad?
I get that you aren't making these arguments, but what you are doing is directing blame at McKenna for responding to a question about a vocal minority of petulant fans. I ignore them. I hope McKenna ignores them. I'd like it if you wouldn't try to stir up crap by making a topic of it, but that's your prerogative. |
I think my point about is imo he should have stuck by what he said a while ago. The players need to get the fans to love them. In my view thats what he should be saying to the players. This group of supporters showered the past squad with love and support but it was grown because of the performances of the players. They didnt just receive support. ( Bristol rovers an example i guess of when that support wasn't there like now )
He came out after Blackburn and for the first time imo actually showed genuine annoyance at the level of performance. He didnt try and sugarcoat it or slap a negative in amongst two bits of positive bread. So for me that shows he has the same feeling that some fans do about performance levels.. with that in mind to then go the route of mentioning fans getting behind player im just suprised.
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 12:20 - Dec 6 with 119 views | Churchman |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 10:59 - Dec 6 by Pinewoodblue |
Frimley makes a fair comment and his post doesn’t deserve the number of down votes. I suspect many of those are aimed at the poster rather than the post.
The only way fans reaction might get at players would be if they were following instructions when doing things fans disapprove of. I’m also sure players do not redpond favourably seeing their manager, hands in pockets, disassociating himself from what is happening on the field. |
I disagreed with FBs post and responded accordingly. However but I do think he makes an interesting point that may have validity. It’s all opinions and even if I did downvoting, I certainly wouldn’t have downvoted his OP.
As far as McKenna’s body language is concerned, I’ve not really noticed it beyond him rarely being animated on the touchline. He’s quite reserved as a character. I doubt the tea cups get chucked. But I suspect he’s rather different towards those that know him.
Your post points towards the importance of body language and I cannot disagree with that. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 17:33 - Dec 6 with 65 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 10:59 - Dec 6 by Pinewoodblue |
Frimley makes a fair comment and his post doesn’t deserve the number of down votes. I suspect many of those are aimed at the poster rather than the post.
The only way fans reaction might get at players would be if they were following instructions when doing things fans disapprove of. I’m also sure players do not redpond favourably seeing their manager, hands in pockets, disassociating himself from what is happening on the field. |
Absolutely not true. Hands up I had Frimmers on ignore for a long time just because I thought his posts were absolute nonsense but to his credit since back he post reasonable points at times now.
He goa downvote from me because I thought it was completely inaccurate and I think it it was not representative of what McKenna was doing or saying (and then the post contradicted itself really at the end).
It absolutely wasn't a fair post. It was creating a false narrative. Down vote.
Fine for you to have your view but certainly not accurate for my down vote. | |
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