| This team isn’t very likable is it? 09:04 - Dec 14 with 2786 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Not calling out individuals here, but the dynamic isn’t right and it’s hard to get on board with what’s going on right now.
Remember our league one side when we went up, not as good as this current team, but was really easy to like them, they just seemed a proper team.
Don’t know what the solution is, throw more money at the squad? Probably not. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:57 - Dec 14 with 428 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:55 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah i would have been promotion from league 1 was minimum expectation.
I do agree with herbz though and the other fella that the run was predicted - it wasn't
However because we saw it, and because we saw what it took and we saw the desire to get back into games being 0-1 almost like it was a gift to the opposition, when you review it, that group had guts so it made sense how they managed it.
Reviewing that period against the current where we struggle to get back into games, struggle to control games, etc it's a far cry from either of our two promotion teams.
I think it's completely fair to say that. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:59]
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And yet you haven't fully learned the lesson (although you are a much better poster now).
Like the current team, your progress isn't always a straight line! |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 415 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:57 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And yet you haven't fully learned the lesson (although you are a much better poster now).
Like the current team, your progress isn't always a straight line! |
I think i've learned flash tbh, i feel im a lot more balanced with my views around things. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 407 views | ITFCSG |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:46 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
3-0 v the runaway leaders is a spanking. No-one was downplaying it a week ago.
There were many saying the scoreline didn't reflect the game flash.
It's a great result and not one to belittle, but I wouldn't take it further and use it as some form of look we've made it.
like me and you also discussed about stoke, on one hand good professional game, but was incredibly slow and pedestrian again.
like coventry was until 2nd half
like hull was until 70 minutes
like yesturady was in general
Town are at it's at speed, even this new group are. but we rarely see it.
You talk about reactionary posting, I see it different. I see the opposites where performances in general are ignored and like you have with this one, use that as a bases to kinda say everythings fine. We've had a collection, Oxford, hull, blackburn, leicester in this block, majority of those games, incredibly low level of performance.
As i said last night, i expected a loss to coventry, so this weeks points total is in line with what I had hoped, so i've got no issue with the points return, it's the lack of general performance and the 1 step forward 2 back we seem to have.
We have a core of a top 2 team, with a fair few mid range champ players. Jan is a chance to bridge those gaps imo and needed. |
So 0-3 against a lowly Charlton is a spanking also innit
This block of 7 games - Wrexham, Oxford, Hull (although we won), Blackburn, Leicester were poor. I challenge any of you to say otherwise.
That leaves only Coventry and perhaps Stoke where the performance was decent.
Even Stoke at home, we didn't look like killing the game off after Philogene's wonder strike. If the ball didn't go in, we'd have been looking at another drab 0-0 at home.
So the win over Coventry looks more like a "freak result" than vice versa.
Mediocrity seems to be the norm, not the exception.
With the most expensive squad in the entire EFL.
And some of you are telling me the performances have been good? |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:01 - Dec 14 with 402 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:00 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
I think i've learned flash tbh, i feel im a lot more balanced with my views around things. |
One should never stop looking to progress! | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:02 - Dec 14 with 398 views | tractorboy1978 |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:14 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Lads, lads, lads. We spanked the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. You weren't complaining this team was unlikeable then. 2 defeats in the last 11, the latest due to two freak goals. Get a grip. |
This is it though. You don’t know what you are going to get from us from game to game and it’s why we aren’t looking like a serious top 2 threat. I can only speak for myself but this team hasn’t felt right all season from a results or performances point of view. I think some individual quality has dug us out of a couple of holes.
The points totals show we are in a play off bun fight with 7/8 others. Whatever spin is put on it, being 8 points off second and effectively 14 points off top nearly half way through the season is not where we should be with our resources. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:03 - Dec 14 with 390 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:55 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah i would have been promotion from league 1 was minimum expectation.
I do agree with herbz though and the other fella that the run was predicted - it wasn't
However because we saw it, and because we saw what it took and we saw the desire to get back into games being 0-1 almost like it was a gift to the opposition, when you review it, that group had guts so it made sense how they managed it.
Reviewing that period against the current where we struggle to get back into games, struggle to control games, etc it's a far cry from either of our two promotion teams.
I think it's completely fair to say that. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:59]
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I don't think it's just guts, I think it's confidence too. That League 1 team had zero expectation in the Champ. There is a weight on the shoulders of our current team (and manager). | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:07 - Dec 14 with 377 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:13 - Dec 14 by Herbivore |
People didn't like our League 1 team much in the few weeks before McKenna took over. Fans like winning teams, we grew to love that team over the insane League 1 run in when we were battering teams all over the shop but there wasn't a lot of love away at Cambridge just before that run or at Bristol Rover, quite the opposite in fact. The 18 months of good times that followed built that bond. Virtually everyone from that side has left and we've not had the good times yet with the new team, maybe we never will. But if you look at some of the abuse Hirst is getting you'll see that whether fans love or hate players and teams is down to results first and foremost, he was a big part of a group that was loved and now he's one of the main targets now we're not doing so well. |
Herbi, you are easily one of the most articulate posters on the site and this is one of many posts you have written that I agree with completely.
However your excessive downvoting of those who express opposing opinions is making you quite a divisive poster and that doesn't encourage a lot of people to engage with you in a way which would enrich the forum.
Although I have singled you out on this occasion, there are several other excellent posters on this site who also downvote others in the same way and they also stifle interesting debate.
Perhaps you and the others are practicing your right to freedom of expression without being aware of the fact that you're actually silencing others who would like to engage but are reluctant to provoke your ire because being "attacked" by an articulate poster is far worse than being dissed by a moron.
Would you mind cutting down on your downvoting for the sake of a more pleasant experience here on the forum, please? |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:11 - Dec 14 with 365 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:03 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think it's just guts, I think it's confidence too. That League 1 team had zero expectation in the Champ. There is a weight on the shoulders of our current team (and manager). |
Oh it's a mixture of elements and something i feel we lack hence I don;t see any long run coming this season which is why this stop start performance level is annoying.
Our summer window didn't see us up well imo for that level of expectation | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:13 - Dec 14 with 350 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:07 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Herbi, you are easily one of the most articulate posters on the site and this is one of many posts you have written that I agree with completely.
However your excessive downvoting of those who express opposing opinions is making you quite a divisive poster and that doesn't encourage a lot of people to engage with you in a way which would enrich the forum.
Although I have singled you out on this occasion, there are several other excellent posters on this site who also downvote others in the same way and they also stifle interesting debate.
Perhaps you and the others are practicing your right to freedom of expression without being aware of the fact that you're actually silencing others who would like to engage but are reluctant to provoke your ire because being "attacked" by an articulate poster is far worse than being dissed by a moron.
Would you mind cutting down on your downvoting for the sake of a more pleasant experience here on the forum, please? |
How on earth does downvoting silence people?! | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:14 - Dec 14 with 347 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:03 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think it's just guts, I think it's confidence too. That League 1 team had zero expectation in the Champ. There is a weight on the shoulders of our current team (and manager). |
Yep, and how teams play against us is vastly different. Our problem to fix of course, but not as simple as saying we should just do it like the old team (good bits) did.
I don't think anyone is taking anything away from the double promotion by saying it was circumstances and timing that added hugely to our run. Which was the best thing to happen in 20+ years and we'll forever be grateful and they'll forever be heroes. But to say we just need to do what they did and invoke their spirit every time is simplistic at absolute best given our new found position of top dogs with vast resources vs plucky spirited underdogs taking on the world. |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:16 - Dec 14 with 325 views | Ryorry |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:20 - Dec 14 by ITFCSG |
Precisely, I for one am perplexed by the slow, ponderous play that has become a trademark of ITFC 25/26. I don't believe our players are that slow, or are doing it on purpose. Its purely coaching but WHY?
Taking ages for a free kick, 30 seconds for a throw in, allowing the opposition to get back and defend in numbers. Also we seem reluctant to go forward, how many times in the past 3 matches Szmodics was waving at one of his teammates to make the forward pass, yet lo and behold they choose to pass backwards. WHY?
Even when we are trailing or drawing in the dying moments of the game, there is still no urgency to push forward and attack. Players strolling over to take free kicks or throw ins. Most of the defence and MF players even Matusiwa love to slow the game down, and pass backwards again at a speed even my grandmother can run. WHY?
Even bottom teams like Oxford and Blackburn play the ball on the ground much faster than us, use the long ball to break away and show some level of improvisation, intent and aggressiveness that the most expensive squad in the entire EFL doesn't seem to have. WHY?
When fans watch such pedestrian football coupled with inconsistent results (a major c0ck up / Sunday league performance guaranteed every 2-3 matches) compared to the back-to-back squad or the free hit season in the PL of course the current squad doesn't look very likeable. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:25]
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Second half on Wednesday we were a team.
Sounds like yesterday we weren’t.
Even our local walking football teams are hugely competitive, aggressive (in a good way) and drive forward as fast as they can. It’s inherent in our mindset, we want it, and our coach if anything is constantly having to try and slow us down due to safety rules.
From what I’ve been reading, quite a few of our current squad just don’t seem to want it. Need rid of those. They allegedly have more‘talent’, but supposedly ‘lesser’ players have proved to be far more effectively valuable to us in the past. We need a team of them, not a squad of costly individuals. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:17 - Dec 14 with 323 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:13 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How on earth does downvoting silence people?! |
You're not a psychologist, are you? | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:17 - Dec 14 with 318 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:14 - Dec 14 by Axeldalai_lama |
Yep, and how teams play against us is vastly different. Our problem to fix of course, but not as simple as saying we should just do it like the old team (good bits) did.
I don't think anyone is taking anything away from the double promotion by saying it was circumstances and timing that added hugely to our run. Which was the best thing to happen in 20+ years and we'll forever be grateful and they'll forever be heroes. But to say we just need to do what they did and invoke their spirit every time is simplistic at absolute best given our new found position of top dogs with vast resources vs plucky spirited underdogs taking on the world. |
Think that's the thing, no one is saying it like a run is a minimum expection just because the other sides did it, it's more a case of us needing to be able to do it, to maybe finish top 2. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:18 - Dec 14 with 315 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:17 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
You're not a psychologist, are you? |
No, are you? | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:24 - Dec 14 with 288 views | Cafe_Newman |
Yes. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:24 - Dec 14 with 285 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:11 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Oh it's a mixture of elements and something i feel we lack hence I don;t see any long run coming this season which is why this stop start performance level is annoying.
Our summer window didn't see us up well imo for that level of expectation |
But you freely admit you didn't see the 23 team doing it either, like many on here, and that people on here were moaning about that team potentially throwing it away too before their run and hero status.
This team isn't terrible, many admit the sum of its parts is less than the team should be, it's the disjointed lack of consistent forward momentum that's the problem. As such I'd say, whilst not likely, it wouldn't be too disimilar to the 23 team if we suddenly found a niche and the undoubted talent that this squad has somehow clicks. Then, 15 wins out of 20 later, they'll be the same heroes the fans use to knock the next lot!! Possibly! | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:25 - Dec 14 with 277 views | ITFCSG |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:00 - Dec 14 by ITFCSG |
So 0-3 against a lowly Charlton is a spanking also innit
This block of 7 games - Wrexham, Oxford, Hull (although we won), Blackburn, Leicester were poor. I challenge any of you to say otherwise.
That leaves only Coventry and perhaps Stoke where the performance was decent.
Even Stoke at home, we didn't look like killing the game off after Philogene's wonder strike. If the ball didn't go in, we'd have been looking at another drab 0-0 at home.
So the win over Coventry looks more like a "freak result" than vice versa.
Mediocrity seems to be the norm, not the exception.
With the most expensive squad in the entire EFL.
And some of you are telling me the performances have been good? |
So Herbivore, Flash, BasingstokeBlue, care to downvote but not offer a rebuttal to my points listed above?
Simple question: the last block of 7 games from Wrexham to Leicester - were there more mediocre games than not? And I’m being generous with the term “mediocre” here - some of the performance can in fact, be termed downright shite
So what’s the latest snivelling excuse for McK and the team? You probably enjoyed the ITFC footballing masterclass at the King Power yesterday? Or that the squad now needs a whole season to gel? | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:28 - Dec 14 with 267 views | Herbivore |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:02 - Dec 14 by tractorboy1978 |
This is it though. You don’t know what you are going to get from us from game to game and it’s why we aren’t looking like a serious top 2 threat. I can only speak for myself but this team hasn’t felt right all season from a results or performances point of view. I think some individual quality has dug us out of a couple of holes.
The points totals show we are in a play off bun fight with 7/8 others. Whatever spin is put on it, being 8 points off second and effectively 14 points off top nearly half way through the season is not where we should be with our resources. |
I agree with aspects of your narrative but not all of it. The individual quality digging us out, for example, doesn't really tally with the fact that we've missed - by a decent margin - the most big chances in the league. If anything, we've too often lacked quality in big moments in games. We're also conceding more goals than we should based on our xGA which suggests that we're on the wrong end of individual quality going against us more than we're seeing it go in our favour.
The consistency is definitely the issue. Ironically, when we finally strung a few away wins together it coincided with a mini wobble at home and now we look to be back on track at home, we've gone to shit away from home PR. Performances from game to game and even within games are all over the place. That said, we mostly still create enough chances and keep things tight enough to get results but we're not clinical at both ends of the pitch. I think we all rightly expected a lot more though given the money we've spent relative to the rest of the division. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:28 - Dec 14 with 268 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:24 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Yes. |
In answer to your previous quest, type this question into your favourite AI app:
"On an internet forum where posts can receive an up or down vote, from a psychology point of view, how does persistent upvoting or downvoting of certain opinions or individuals affect poster behaviour?" | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:32 - Dec 14 with 259 views | ArnieM |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:20 - Dec 14 by ITFCSG |
Precisely, I for one am perplexed by the slow, ponderous play that has become a trademark of ITFC 25/26. I don't believe our players are that slow, or are doing it on purpose. Its purely coaching but WHY?
Taking ages for a free kick, 30 seconds for a throw in, allowing the opposition to get back and defend in numbers. Also we seem reluctant to go forward, how many times in the past 3 matches Szmodics was waving at one of his teammates to make the forward pass, yet lo and behold they choose to pass backwards. WHY?
Even when we are trailing or drawing in the dying moments of the game, there is still no urgency to push forward and attack. Players strolling over to take free kicks or throw ins. Most of the defence and MF players even Matusiwa love to slow the game down, and pass backwards again at a speed even my grandmother can run. WHY?
Even bottom teams like Oxford and Blackburn play the ball on the ground much faster than us, use the long ball to break away and show some level of improvisation, intent and aggressiveness that the most expensive squad in the entire EFL doesn't seem to have. WHY?
When fans watch such pedestrian football coupled with inconsistent results (a major c0ck up / Sunday league performance guaranteed every 2-3 matches) compared to the back-to-back squad or the free hit season in the PL of course the current squad doesn't look very likeable. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:25]
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Have been saying this for 2 seasons |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:33 - Dec 14 with 255 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:17 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Think that's the thing, no one is saying it like a run is a minimum expection just because the other sides did it, it's more a case of us needing to be able to do it, to maybe finish top 2. |
Maybe that team has made us more worried than we need to be in terms of those huge points totals. It would clearly take a massive run to get top and I think people are still stretching for that in some ways. Right now, slightly disappointing as it is, we 'just' need to build, win 2 lose 1, draw 1, win 3, keep the wins up, direction of travel, keep top 4/5 hopefully close gaps and see where we end up as a team and in league position.
Clearly not what we were hoping for but rather than a mad panic and mass dissection every time we don't win, being in the play off spots and pushing on whilst building this team, might not be the absolute disaster some paint it as. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:36 - Dec 14 with 247 views | Ryorry |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:14 - Dec 14 by Axeldalai_lama |
Yep, and how teams play against us is vastly different. Our problem to fix of course, but not as simple as saying we should just do it like the old team (good bits) did.
I don't think anyone is taking anything away from the double promotion by saying it was circumstances and timing that added hugely to our run. Which was the best thing to happen in 20+ years and we'll forever be grateful and they'll forever be heroes. But to say we just need to do what they did and invoke their spirit every time is simplistic at absolute best given our new found position of top dogs with vast resources vs plucky spirited underdogs taking on the world. |
Totally disagree with your last para I’m afraid.
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that vast resources doth not a team make. Not least because you can’t always (usually?) buy the players you want, esp 9s, as evidenced by our strenuous efforts to get who we wanted through our door in the last 2-3 windows
Scouting network widening to abroad will help; we also need to start bringing our Academy yoofs through - what happened to that Gerard Bubao (? sp) fella we gave cameos to 2 seasons ago, is he still injured?).
Our back-back promotion team cost v. little but complemented each other, wanted it, worked hard for each other/KM/us. Expensive new arrivals aint doing that. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:42 - Dec 14 with 213 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:24 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Yes. |
So tell us about the 'Downarrows on a football messageboard' module. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:50 - Dec 14 with 194 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:28 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
In answer to your previous quest, type this question into your favourite AI app:
"On an internet forum where posts can receive an up or down vote, from a psychology point of view, how does persistent upvoting or downvoting of certain opinions or individuals affect poster behaviour?" |
I offer out both up and down arrows, and i don't pick on anyone (despite what some might say). It's merely whether I disagree or agree.
I receive plenty of both too, and the negatives haven't managed to silence me.
If a poster is receiving an inordinate amount of down arrows then it's probably because they're consistently posting bobbins. I see a number of posters on here who regularly attract downvotes and it doesn't seem to silence them! | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:51 - Dec 14 with 191 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:36 - Dec 14 by Ryorry |
Totally disagree with your last para I’m afraid.
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that vast resources doth not a team make. Not least because you can’t always (usually?) buy the players you want, esp 9s, as evidenced by our strenuous efforts to get who we wanted through our door in the last 2-3 windows
Scouting network widening to abroad will help; we also need to start bringing our Academy yoofs through - what happened to that Gerard Bubao (? sp) fella we gave cameos to 2 seasons ago, is he still injured?).
Our back-back promotion team cost v. little but complemented each other, wanted it, worked hard for each other/KM/us. Expensive new arrivals aint doing that. |
Don't necessarily think that we're disagreeing, but we are where we are. We are a 'bigger' team and club with a bigger profile budget and we have changed as a club via that short spell in the prem. Yes we have spent money and not necessarily very well but what was the actual credible alternative?
We were always going to be the club we are this season in terms of big club big money, rebuilding, other teams coming at us or low blocking us and all that comes with it. I just don't think you can somehow rewrite all of that and say we could still be that old team and team spirit and lower profile plucky hard working players. Four years later.
The only way might have been to do a Luton but that hasn't worked out for them. Or to just rewrite history and say we should have bought exactly the right calibre of players this summer and they'd all be cheap enough and of exactly the right spirit to reform that same team of 23. But that's just fanciful. We are on this horrible beautiful behemoth of a roller coaster ride and yes we could and should have done better and be doing better but like it or not rebuilding that environment from those few seasons is almost impossible, precisely because they did do so well and got us to the top and the promises lands and all that comes with it. | | | |
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