| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads 15:10 - Dec 22 with 2563 views | chicoazul |
May even wear my rainbow laces to the game. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:54 - Dec 22 with 621 views | blueoutlook |
Still here chorizo? |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 21:58 - Dec 22 with 484 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:33 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
I accept you probably don't mean it this way but homophobia isn't something which should be cast aside because someone's been successful. |
I don’t. I mean I disagree with those who write him off as a human because of his views, despite evidence to the contrary that he is a man of otherwise admirable qualities, and despite setting the bar that high, presumably celebrating wildly at Watford and the like. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 with 478 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:28 - Dec 22 by chicoazul |
Lmao he was literally born and brought up in Wolverhampton |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:59 - Dec 22 with 433 views | pointofblue |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
I think that's an interesting point. How much does nurture guide a person's viewpoint? And how much leeway is given?
We could go deeper with this - and not to derail the thread - but take the situation in Israel and Palestine. Much of the hatred comes from religious texts and how they were brought up. What's the balance between tolerant and socially-conscious yet accepting those views and subsequent actions born from them? |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 with 322 views | Dubtractor |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:27 - Dec 23 with 266 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
I can't believe he (and some posters I'd normally think of as reasonably intelligent) can't understand that someone can be brought up in a completely different culture despite being in the same country as them. I mean what's all the chat of failure of integration in that case?! |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:27 - Dec 23 with 265 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
So edgy. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:32 - Dec 23 with 257 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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Was Morsy (or people not castigating him) giving the green light for discrimination though? I was disappointed too, but I squared it in my head that he wasn't actively going out and promoting discrimination. He was simply abstaining. There was plenty going on in support of the cause, so the message was still getting through. I think it better to focus on the good that was done rather on one person abstaining. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:47 - Dec 23 with 216 views | Libero |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 15:32 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
Oh yes, let’s all lump on our greatest captain in recent memory, who drove a team that gave ALL of us such incredible moments and memories, just because he was brought up in a different world to believe different things to us. |
“a different world” lol - what an utterly embarrassing take, why do you feel the need to be an apologist for homophobia? Shame on you, frankly. |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:51 - Dec 23 with 193 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:47 - Dec 23 by Libero |
“a different world” lol - what an utterly embarrassing take, why do you feel the need to be an apologist for homophobia? Shame on you, frankly. |
Whether you agree with it or not, he was brought up in a different culture. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:52 - Dec 23 with 199 views | Libero |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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I think for me it’s the fact that those religious beliefs that were used as the shield were clearly flexible, as he’s been pictured wearing shirts with betting sponsorship on- it was an active choice by Morsy to be homophobic, it is of course his choice but he has been judged for it accordingly by right minded people. | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:56 - Dec 23 with 169 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:52 - Dec 23 by Libero |
I think for me it’s the fact that those religious beliefs that were used as the shield were clearly flexible, as he’s been pictured wearing shirts with betting sponsorship on- it was an active choice by Morsy to be homophobic, it is of course his choice but he has been judged for it accordingly by right minded people. |
I haven't seen Morsy be homophobic to anyone. He abstained, very different. You might want to retract that statement if you don't want to get Phil into trouble. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:06 - Dec 23 with 125 views | GlasgowBlue |
Can people please stop validating discriminatory religious beliefs that belong in the dark ages just because said person with discriminatory religious beliefs was bloody good at kicking a football for us. His decision to snub the rainbow laces campaign was a massive kick in the teeth for our LGBTQ supporters or those of us supporters who have LGBTQ family members. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:13 - Dec 23 with 107 views | JackNorthStand |
As you should if that’s what you want to do. We should encourage everybody to do as they see fit for their own personal views as long as it is not harming others.
Have a great day. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:13]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:27 - Dec 23 with 63 views | hunty21 |
What a knob | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:50 - Dec 23 with 26 views | MattinLondon |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:06 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Can people please stop validating discriminatory religious beliefs that belong in the dark ages just because said person with discriminatory religious beliefs was bloody good at kicking a football for us. His decision to snub the rainbow laces campaign was a massive kick in the teeth for our LGBTQ supporters or those of us supporters who have LGBTQ family members. |
Indeed - its no wonder that very few footballers feel comfortable in ‘coming out’ when abstaining is used as a convenient excuse for justifying homophobia. |  | | |
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