| Jacob Greaves 08:59 - Jan 11 with 1592 views | muccletonjoe |
There have been times when I have thought he was far from outstanding. But yesterday , for me , he was exactly that, always in the right place, scored a great goal , the referee tried to blot his copybook by awarding a penalty against him in the last minute, but he got that completely wrong. Well done boy ! |  | | |  |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:09 - Jan 11 with 1516 views | redrickstuhaart |
Looked a pen to me. At best the man is clobbered simultaneously with ball. |  | | |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 with 1466 views | muccletonjoe |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:09 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
Looked a pen to me. At best the man is clobbered simultaneously with ball. |
I would say at worst he got the man and ball simultaneously. In which case its not a penalty. | | | |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 with 1465 views | lazyblue |
Far too good to be on the bench every week. | | | |
| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 09:25 - Jan 11 with 1431 views | unstableblue |
It’s a great problem to have, but it seems a shame that we have two players who are at the top of the Championship in terms of quality not starting week in week out!
I know they’re getting Clarke to train as a 10 to try and get him into the team. But not sure it quite suits him. Especially how packed the 10 area is with these deep sitting teams.
Greaves as you say was superb yesterday, Rolls Royce player.
I suppose IF we get promoted, you need quality doubled up in every position. I think Greaves can step up this time. Kipre may be more top Championship.
I do wander of Philogene - who is our gifted players for seasons - can really thrive in the Prem with his physicality. [Post edited 11 Jan 9:25]
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| Jacob Greaves on 09:35 - Jan 11 with 1336 views | Herbivore |
Greaves has been good when called upon lately. He's got all the attributes to be a top player I think, he started off excellently in the Prem but couldn't get his levels back after his injury and as the team started to then really struggle, so did he. I'd still back him to have a decent career in the Prem, he's a left footed CB, he's quick, can pass well enough and can carry the ball out, loves to do the dirty work. He needs to sharpen up on his decision making and positioning but those things can come through experience. |  |
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| Jacob Greaves on 09:36 - Jan 11 with 1343 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 by lazyblue |
Far too good to be on the bench every week. |
Unfortunately his earlier season performances were somewhat unconvincing, for me a habit of going down to easily whereas Kipre is an absolute rock. Kipre has come in and helped us to the best defensive record in the league. Would be made to swap the O’Shea/Kipre partnership unless there’s a serious drop off.
Greaves did well yest and excellent at LB against Coventry, he’ll just have to be patient and wait for his chance - still a lot of football to play this season. | | | |
| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 09:39 - Jan 11 with 1328 views | Churchman |
| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 09:25 - Jan 11 by unstableblue |
It’s a great problem to have, but it seems a shame that we have two players who are at the top of the Championship in terms of quality not starting week in week out!
I know they’re getting Clarke to train as a 10 to try and get him into the team. But not sure it quite suits him. Especially how packed the 10 area is with these deep sitting teams.
Greaves as you say was superb yesterday, Rolls Royce player.
I suppose IF we get promoted, you need quality doubled up in every position. I think Greaves can step up this time. Kipre may be more top Championship.
I do wander of Philogene - who is our gifted players for seasons - can really thrive in the Prem with his physicality. [Post edited 11 Jan 9:25]
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Philogene and Clarke would be fine in the Premier League because they have a boatload of ability. But they need far better service than our forwards received last season. You cannot expect them to do anything if they have to go to our own penalty area to pick the ball up as they did last year.
With regard to the OP, Greaves is a really good footballer, as is O’Shea. Kipre might be able to steamroller Championship players, but I’m not sure he could do that at a higher level. Individually, these are the best defenders we’ve had at the club in years. I rate Furlong more than some too, even if his passing-radar is a bit suspect sometimes.
Collectively? I’m not a fan of rotating defenders. The more settled the back line, the better they understand each others’ game. It’s noticeable that the defence beyond any other area of the team has got stronger as the season progressed and this was amply demonstrated by not giving Coventry a sniff in the last game. Notably, Greaves played in Davis’ position for that game and was excellent. |  | | |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:41 - Jan 11 with 1301 views | Herbivore |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:36 - Jan 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Unfortunately his earlier season performances were somewhat unconvincing, for me a habit of going down to easily whereas Kipre is an absolute rock. Kipre has come in and helped us to the best defensive record in the league. Would be made to swap the O’Shea/Kipre partnership unless there’s a serious drop off.
Greaves did well yest and excellent at LB against Coventry, he’ll just have to be patient and wait for his chance - still a lot of football to play this season. |
Yeah, he's a bit of a victim of Kipre's form being so good. Kipre has come in and been so solid, and decent on the ball too in fairness, that you can't justify dropping him. Greaves will have chances to play, specific games where he's better suited or an injury or loss of form from one of the other CBs. | |
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| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 10:04 - Jan 11 with 1203 views | Guthrum |
| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 09:25 - Jan 11 by unstableblue |
It’s a great problem to have, but it seems a shame that we have two players who are at the top of the Championship in terms of quality not starting week in week out!
I know they’re getting Clarke to train as a 10 to try and get him into the team. But not sure it quite suits him. Especially how packed the 10 area is with these deep sitting teams.
Greaves as you say was superb yesterday, Rolls Royce player.
I suppose IF we get promoted, you need quality doubled up in every position. I think Greaves can step up this time. Kipre may be more top Championship.
I do wander of Philogene - who is our gifted players for seasons - can really thrive in the Prem with his physicality. [Post edited 11 Jan 9:25]
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But how great is it to be able to bring top-level players off the bench in the final third of games? Or to have no change in quality if cover is needed for injuries and suspensions?
This is maximising our reputational and financial clout (plus the loyalty inspired in players*) to overpower the opposition and drive towards promotion.
That might sound bullying - and we've been on the wrong end of it for years. However, it is what's required to succeed in the modern game.
* e.g. Cajuste could probably have got a better position, but was so keen to come back he even kept his apartment key. |  |
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| Jacob Greaves on 10:52 - Jan 11 with 1036 views | Garv |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 by lazyblue |
Far too good to be on the bench every week. |
I'd seriously be considering him as someone to challenge Davis if we're in the PL next year. We'd need to change how we play, but I think we knew that anyway after last season. |  |
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| Jacob Greaves on 10:57 - Jan 11 with 1014 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 by muccletonjoe |
I would say at worst he got the man and ball simultaneously. In which case its not a penalty. |
It is though. | | | |
| Jacob Greaves on 10:58 - Jan 11 with 1007 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:36 - Jan 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Unfortunately his earlier season performances were somewhat unconvincing, for me a habit of going down to easily whereas Kipre is an absolute rock. Kipre has come in and helped us to the best defensive record in the league. Would be made to swap the O’Shea/Kipre partnership unless there’s a serious drop off.
Greaves did well yest and excellent at LB against Coventry, he’ll just have to be patient and wait for his chance - still a lot of football to play this season. |
Greaves will suffer badly in terms of physicality in the prem unless he really steps up in that regard. Any tussle with a powerful forward, he is likely to be muscled around or find himself on the deck- or that has been his big weakness to date. Alongside the tendency to get caught wrong side of quicker forwards. [Post edited 11 Jan 11:05]
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| Jacob Greaves on 11:00 - Jan 11 with 984 views | FrimleyBlue |
Think the pen was a pen unfortunately and maybe the third that greaves has given away in such a way.. that's a weakness of his for sure, the diving in or putting a leg in in the box and getting it wrong.
But apart from that he was really good |  |
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| Jacob Greaves on 11:07 - Jan 11 with 962 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Jacob Greaves on 10:52 - Jan 11 by Garv |
I'd seriously be considering him as someone to challenge Davis if we're in the PL next year. We'd need to change how we play, but I think we knew that anyway after last season. |
Been thinking the same but held back from commenting for fear upsetting others.
I believe Greaves would be more effective against the likes of Saka.
We could always consider 3-4-3 |  |
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| Jacob Greaves on 14:36 - Jan 11 with 696 views | Garv |
| Jacob Greaves on 11:07 - Jan 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Been thinking the same but held back from commenting for fear upsetting others.
I believe Greaves would be more effective against the likes of Saka.
We could always consider 3-4-3 |
I think we'll be very naïve if we go into next season (if PL) with Davis again nailed on as first choice.
Greaves could be our version of Dan Burn. | |
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| Good point on 15:10 - Jan 11 with 599 views | unstableblue |
| Kipre/Greaves and Philogene/Clarke on 10:04 - Jan 11 by Guthrum |
But how great is it to be able to bring top-level players off the bench in the final third of games? Or to have no change in quality if cover is needed for injuries and suspensions?
This is maximising our reputational and financial clout (plus the loyalty inspired in players*) to overpower the opposition and drive towards promotion.
That might sound bullying - and we've been on the wrong end of it for years. However, it is what's required to succeed in the modern game.
* e.g. Cajuste could probably have got a better position, but was so keen to come back he even kept his apartment key. |
I remember Bournemouth last season, we lost 1-2, first half was relatively even
Second half became all them especially after 60mins
And the small Dorset club was able to bring on ouattarra, unal, billing and brooks!
The first two scoring.
That’s the level.
Still worry a little about their physicality - that was another lesson from the Prem, alongside the squad quality depth discussed here | |
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| Jacob Greaves on 15:24 - Jan 11 with 550 views | HighgateBlue |
| Jacob Greaves on 11:00 - Jan 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Think the pen was a pen unfortunately and maybe the third that greaves has given away in such a way.. that's a weakness of his for sure, the diving in or putting a leg in in the box and getting it wrong.
But apart from that he was really good |
I do agree. I can't give him too much debit for the penalty, because in my view although it was a pen, it was a close thing in terms of timing, and we can't have defenders being too scared to make tackles all the time.
But he did have a good game. Maybe if Kipre keeps performing, Greaves should go up front - he stuck that header away OK, and we're hardly blessed at no.9 at present!!! |  | | |
| Jacob Greaves on 17:34 - Jan 11 with 389 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Jacob Greaves on 15:24 - Jan 11 by HighgateBlue |
I do agree. I can't give him too much debit for the penalty, because in my view although it was a pen, it was a close thing in terms of timing, and we can't have defenders being too scared to make tackles all the time.
But he did have a good game. Maybe if Kipre keeps performing, Greaves should go up front - he stuck that header away OK, and we're hardly blessed at no.9 at present!!! |
Can remember Mogga being pushed up front as an extra forward on a few occasions. | |
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| Jacob Greaves on 17:42 - Jan 11 with 365 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jacob Greaves on 09:20 - Jan 11 by lazyblue |
Far too good to be on the bench every week. |
I am sorry. Although he had a very good game yesterday, he has consistently performed to a lower standard than Kipre and O'Shea. Whilst he did well at left back, he isn't going to be picked ahead of Davis there any time soon. To be too good to be on the bench every week requires consistent performances better than those who are playing ahead of him.
That doesn't change the fact Greaves had a very good game which is great to see. |  |
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