| Jesus, get a grip 17:38 - Jan 31 with 2483 views | seblue78 |
We’re not making top two. We’re useless. We’ll be lucky to make the playoffs. Two games ago we were gonna win the league. The amount of negative weirdos on here who immediately seem get off on any sort of poor result. We’re a point closer to Cov who are wobbling badly. Boro have sheff u and Cov away next two. Weve still got boro, hull and Millwall to come at PR. And two of our most creative players are due back shortly. Yes it wasn’t great, but get a f’in grip. |  | | |  |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:29 - Feb 1 with 363 views | heavyweight |
My overriding image of this season is O'Shea in the centre circle rolling his foot over the ball and wondering what the hell to do with it. Followed by a pass to Furlong or the other CB - rinse and repeat, repeat and repeat. | | | |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:32 - Feb 1 with 351 views | Mullet |
This all sounds great, but the fact is we’ve just slipped to
4th after a week where we should expect at least 4 pts and took 1.
The top of the league is relentless and if you don’t take your points you lose ground very quickly as Coventry are showing.
It’s a bit baffling that last week we had people going all defensive and deflecting everything, now they’ve seen it at home there’s room to be concerned. Then there are posts like this which are just massively divisive and pointless.
To say this season has been underwhelming is probably the kindest thing we can do. But what did we have on the bench yesterday? £100m or so of talent? We are being told we might not get a striker in, and it seems that the last few windows of questionable transfer strategy have really come home to roost.
Why shouldn’t fans pick that apart and discuss it? |  |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 10:34 - Feb 1 with 343 views | Herbivore |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:13 - Feb 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In the context of Boro not scoring for four games, plus a run stacked with home games. We now have a month of away games where our record is 14th in the league. I’d say there’s little evidence we won’t be further away from top 2 after those 4 aways. |
What's to say Boro won't hit another dip? Our form over the last 3 months (since the start of November) is top of the league and we've played an equal number of times home and away during that run. Away we've won 4, drawn 2 and lost 3 so 14 points from 9 games, which isn't mind blowing but isn't bad and is only bettered by a couple of other sides. That run has included trip to Hull, Leicester, Millwall, Coventry, and Sheffield United as well so it's not been a particularly easy run of away fixtures. We've added some quality to the squad this month and may still add more. Feels that a lot of posters are going with knee-jerk reactions to a disappointing result yesterday. Personally, I still think we'll finish top 2. |  |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 10:38 - Feb 1 with 329 views | Herbivore |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:32 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
This all sounds great, but the fact is we’ve just slipped to
4th after a week where we should expect at least 4 pts and took 1.
The top of the league is relentless and if you don’t take your points you lose ground very quickly as Coventry are showing.
It’s a bit baffling that last week we had people going all defensive and deflecting everything, now they’ve seen it at home there’s room to be concerned. Then there are posts like this which are just massively divisive and pointless.
To say this season has been underwhelming is probably the kindest thing we can do. But what did we have on the bench yesterday? £100m or so of talent? We are being told we might not get a striker in, and it seems that the last few windows of questionable transfer strategy have really come home to roost.
Why shouldn’t fans pick that apart and discuss it? |
There's discussing football like a grown up and then there's the outright bedwetting from a particular subset of posters who are nowhere to be seen when we're winning but arrive to flood the board with ridiculous absolutist negative nonsense when we don't win. It's incredibly tedious. | |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 10:42 - Feb 1 with 317 views | Mullet |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:38 - Feb 1 by Herbivore |
There's discussing football like a grown up and then there's the outright bedwetting from a particular subset of posters who are nowhere to be seen when we're winning but arrive to flood the board with ridiculous absolutist negative nonsense when we don't win. It's incredibly tedious. |
Sure but if people will engage with them that’s on them. It’s noticeable a tiny handful get very abusive and stalkery towards to anyone not in line with them too.
Thats why they’re not worth engaging with. | |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 10:44 - Feb 1 with 315 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:34 - Feb 1 by Herbivore |
What's to say Boro won't hit another dip? Our form over the last 3 months (since the start of November) is top of the league and we've played an equal number of times home and away during that run. Away we've won 4, drawn 2 and lost 3 so 14 points from 9 games, which isn't mind blowing but isn't bad and is only bettered by a couple of other sides. That run has included trip to Hull, Leicester, Millwall, Coventry, and Sheffield United as well so it's not been a particularly easy run of away fixtures. We've added some quality to the squad this month and may still add more. Feels that a lot of posters are going with knee-jerk reactions to a disappointing result yesterday. Personally, I still think we'll finish top 2. |
Not a knee jerk from me, I actually think another game undefeated at PR is far from the end of the world. I just don’t see us picking up enough points on the road to get auto’s, we’ve a poor record away from home, whereas Cov and Boro have managed to maintain a top 4 record. I’d love to be proved wrong, but I’ve not seen any evidence that we are capable of a run of wins away. | | | |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:56 - Feb 1 with 303 views | Churchman |
| Jesus, get a grip on 09:53 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
This group are a shell of the back to back boys, undoubtedly - the cohesion, connection and chemistry of the group was something you very rarely, once you’ve got it you hold on to it.
You watch the group, individuals, just a group of individuals, no connection with each other, no bond to the fans, and haven’t really delivered performance levels to back up the astronomical investment in the squad by Championship standards.
Football isn’t an individual sport, it’s a team sport - the team that came before was special, mentality monsters, and they backed it up with performances.
This point 2 years ago, we were on 62 points, 2nd behind Leicester but ahead of newly relegated Saints and Leeds. 2 years on we 11 points worse off, chasing two non parachute payment clubs down and having spent over £125m to build this squad. Do not forget that season was a much tougher one than this, the standard this year has been woeful.
I would suggest everything indicates we have certainly gone backwards. |
It took a year plus for the League One promotion team to come together and even then it was only from Feb/March they really got going.
In l1 and Championship, they weren’t averse to losing sometimes including a feeble performance at Norwich and hidings at Leeds and West Brom. Painful draws v M’boro and Watford you name it. They did what all football teams do. Win and fail to win.
We had the most expensive team in L1 by a country mile. It took two seasons to get out of it and even then it was a tight finish against two with a fraction of our money. So while can be all dewy and yearning for the players of old let’s not build them into something they’re not. As for holding on to the ‘chemistry of the group’ that really doesn’t happen. Change is normal, natural and inevitable.
Prizes go to those that win the most. Sport really isn’t too hard to understand. Is it an exact science? Only on PlayStation. Since humans are not an exact science of course not. If it was, sport would not be worth watching.
Is this team as good as I hoped it would be? Of course not. But part of the interest is watching it develop and the uncertainty of it. People keep on p£sing on about the cost of the players. Not my money so it’s immaterial to me. Same for the players. They didn’t ask for the club to pay the money.
For some, it’s a great stick to beat the players with. Idiotic in my view. We all know the money in the game is absurd, but you either accept it or do something else. Personally, I enjoy going to games and watching players with the highest skill level I’ve seen in a very long time. I see it for what it is. Sport. A distraction. Fun.
I was right behind the through ball to Clarke first half. Dunno who played it but it was worth the entrance money. Also worth the entrance money was Clarke. He made a dogs of the chance and my thought was will his head drop as once it might of or will he keep at it in what is clearly not his best game? He kept at it in - as good players do.
The league is not worse that two years ago. The top four might have been better then, but I’d argue that teams are better organised and stronger in the rest of the division. In fact they’re bound to be given the standard of player coming in.
The team might not be as strong as I’d like and our midfield for me just doesn’t work as it should. The table doesn’t lie, but the club itself has certainly not gone backwards in my view. [Post edited 1 Feb 14:35]
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| Jesus, get a grip on 10:58 - Feb 1 with 297 views | Herbivore |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:44 - Feb 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not a knee jerk from me, I actually think another game undefeated at PR is far from the end of the world. I just don’t see us picking up enough points on the road to get auto’s, we’ve a poor record away from home, whereas Cov and Boro have managed to maintain a top 4 record. I’d love to be proved wrong, but I’ve not seen any evidence that we are capable of a run of wins away. |
As I suggested in my previous post, our overall away record is somewhat skewed by us taking until November to win on the road. Since then our away record is perfectly decent. It's not great but it's not bad and we've had a run of not especially easy fixtures on the road. I still expect us to go up automatically. [Post edited 1 Feb 10:58]
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| Jesus, get a grip on 18:54 - Feb 1 with 224 views | itfcsuth |
| Jesus, get a grip on 10:56 - Feb 1 by Churchman |
It took a year plus for the League One promotion team to come together and even then it was only from Feb/March they really got going.
In l1 and Championship, they weren’t averse to losing sometimes including a feeble performance at Norwich and hidings at Leeds and West Brom. Painful draws v M’boro and Watford you name it. They did what all football teams do. Win and fail to win.
We had the most expensive team in L1 by a country mile. It took two seasons to get out of it and even then it was a tight finish against two with a fraction of our money. So while can be all dewy and yearning for the players of old let’s not build them into something they’re not. As for holding on to the ‘chemistry of the group’ that really doesn’t happen. Change is normal, natural and inevitable.
Prizes go to those that win the most. Sport really isn’t too hard to understand. Is it an exact science? Only on PlayStation. Since humans are not an exact science of course not. If it was, sport would not be worth watching.
Is this team as good as I hoped it would be? Of course not. But part of the interest is watching it develop and the uncertainty of it. People keep on p£sing on about the cost of the players. Not my money so it’s immaterial to me. Same for the players. They didn’t ask for the club to pay the money.
For some, it’s a great stick to beat the players with. Idiotic in my view. We all know the money in the game is absurd, but you either accept it or do something else. Personally, I enjoy going to games and watching players with the highest skill level I’ve seen in a very long time. I see it for what it is. Sport. A distraction. Fun.
I was right behind the through ball to Clarke first half. Dunno who played it but it was worth the entrance money. Also worth the entrance money was Clarke. He made a dogs of the chance and my thought was will his head drop as once it might of or will he keep at it in what is clearly not his best game? He kept at it in - as good players do.
The league is not worse that two years ago. The top four might have been better then, but I’d argue that teams are better organised and stronger in the rest of the division. In fact they’re bound to be given the standard of player coming in.
The team might not be as strong as I’d like and our midfield for me just doesn’t work as it should. The table doesn’t lie, but the club itself has certainly not gone backwards in my view. [Post edited 1 Feb 14:35]
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So we aren’t where we want or need to be, but we aren’t allowed to discuss why we aren’t, or where are failings have been, or how we can improve on our failings?
The off field developments of the football have and I think will continue to develop in the right direction - I don’t think anybody can logically dispute that.
The on field developments of the club have gone backwards, that is literally clear and evident - we have spent over £125m to be in a worse position than we were 2 years ago, I’m not sure you can watch us, look at us, and think we are a better side than 2023/2024. |  | | |
| Jesus, get a grip on 19:06 - Feb 1 with 209 views | pointofblue |
| Jesus, get a grip on 18:54 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
So we aren’t where we want or need to be, but we aren’t allowed to discuss why we aren’t, or where are failings have been, or how we can improve on our failings?
The off field developments of the football have and I think will continue to develop in the right direction - I don’t think anybody can logically dispute that.
The on field developments of the club have gone backwards, that is literally clear and evident - we have spent over £125m to be in a worse position than we were 2 years ago, I’m not sure you can watch us, look at us, and think we are a better side than 2023/2024. |
In 2023/24, after game 29 (yesterday's equivalent), we were on a run of one win in eight. Admittedly, despie that, we were on eleven more points than we are now and, if we repeated 23/24 in 25/26, would be four points clear at that top. | |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 19:10 - Feb 1 with 203 views | itfcsuth |
| Jesus, get a grip on 19:06 - Feb 1 by pointofblue |
In 2023/24, after game 29 (yesterday's equivalent), we were on a run of one win in eight. Admittedly, despie that, we were on eleven more points than we are now and, if we repeated 23/24 in 25/26, would be four points clear at that top. |
Points on the board is the bottom line.
62 points at this very stage, we would be top of the tree leading the pack, with our L1 promotion squad - there is nothing to suggest we have made strides forward in the past 2 years, despite the fortunes spent. | | | |
| Jesus, get a grip on 00:46 - Feb 2 with 152 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jesus, get a grip on 19:10 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
Points on the board is the bottom line.
62 points at this very stage, we would be top of the tree leading the pack, with our L1 promotion squad - there is nothing to suggest we have made strides forward in the past 2 years, despite the fortunes spent. |
In this league at this stage Hladky, Davis, Burgess, Woolfenden, H Clarke, Donacien, Morsy, Luongo, Taylor, Sarmiento, Broadhead, Chaplin, Burns, Taylor, Harness and Moore would not have us on 62 points. Just because it isn't the parachute teams at the top, it doesn't mean the overall quality in the league is lower. Indeed, it would suggest the opposite. Instead of it just being the parachute teams, we are up against the likes of Coventry, Boro, Hull, Millwall all doing consistently well. It is simply a different set of teams to compete against.
Should the squad we have got be doing better? Yes, the stats about not taking our chances would support that too. We are missing something in the 9 position especially and I don't see anyone disagreeing with that. To suggest that overall we are a worse team is an exaggeration, though. I would also argue that our midfield hasn't been strong enough. Hopefully the addition of Neil will help there. We really do need much better competition/support for Hirst still, though. |  |
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| Jesus, get a grip on 01:22 - Feb 2 with 123 views | Denny32 |
What's with all the negativity ?? We be grand ..we won't ger relegated!!! | | | |
| Jesus, get a grip on 03:09 - Feb 2 with 111 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Jesus, get a grip on 19:10 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
Points on the board is the bottom line.
62 points at this very stage, we would be top of the tree leading the pack, with our L1 promotion squad - there is nothing to suggest we have made strides forward in the past 2 years, despite the fortunes spent. |
I would ignore the League 1 group and their 2024 season, in some respects. That team was a one off, full of momentum that started like a freight train and never really stopped. The players in that side outside of Hutchinson are pretty standard to middle of the pack Championship players, some were very good but not really elite, even at this level. They were a team though and had the right balance of leaders, talent and togetherness to do something special. Most have departed to be squad players or starters at mid table type sides.
Into the here and now we’ve unfortunately made a fair few mistakes in the market since the summer of 2024. That’s very obvious, you only have to look at yesterday’s bench. Not all will be hits but too many misses and players that didn’t fit the system overall. That said, it’s a decent squad with a lot of individual talent that might have enough in a Championship down year from a points perspective. We still have a decent chance even though it’s been fairly underwhelming as a body of work and collection of points so far. The start certainly didn’t help. Philogene, Nunez, J Clarke, Matusiwa and majority of our defense walk into most teams.
Writing us off like some have is fairly mental (for autos), even though the result yesterday was a really bad one IMO. A good week and it will all feel very different in 6 days, if we get 2 points or less the we might be in some trouble but even at that point it wouldn’t be over, especially this season.
In short I don’t think the squad has gone backwards we just haven’t got the balance right and missed on a few too many. [Post edited 2 Feb 3:20]
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| Jesus, get a grip on 07:57 - Feb 2 with 44 views | itfcsuth |
| Jesus, get a grip on 03:09 - Feb 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I would ignore the League 1 group and their 2024 season, in some respects. That team was a one off, full of momentum that started like a freight train and never really stopped. The players in that side outside of Hutchinson are pretty standard to middle of the pack Championship players, some were very good but not really elite, even at this level. They were a team though and had the right balance of leaders, talent and togetherness to do something special. Most have departed to be squad players or starters at mid table type sides.
Into the here and now we’ve unfortunately made a fair few mistakes in the market since the summer of 2024. That’s very obvious, you only have to look at yesterday’s bench. Not all will be hits but too many misses and players that didn’t fit the system overall. That said, it’s a decent squad with a lot of individual talent that might have enough in a Championship down year from a points perspective. We still have a decent chance even though it’s been fairly underwhelming as a body of work and collection of points so far. The start certainly didn’t help. Philogene, Nunez, J Clarke, Matusiwa and majority of our defense walk into most teams.
Writing us off like some have is fairly mental (for autos), even though the result yesterday was a really bad one IMO. A good week and it will all feel very different in 6 days, if we get 2 points or less the we might be in some trouble but even at that point it wouldn’t be over, especially this season.
In short I don’t think the squad has gone backwards we just haven’t got the balance right and missed on a few too many. [Post edited 2 Feb 3:20]
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I don’t think you can write off the promotion side, it was a side that achieved astronomical success, a group together that together was so strong, it wasn’t a side built on individuals, but a side where the pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly, the connections and cohesion of the group, the bond it had with each other, the bond that it had with the supporters - it’s so so rare to find in football to this day seemed absolutely ridiculous to dissolve that squad instead of evolve it.
The reality is, when we dropped back to the Championship, we still had a squad including; Walton, Clarke, Woolfenden, Burgess, Davis, Morsy, Luongo, Broadhead, Chaplin, Burns, Hirst - that core was still available, we chose to go in a different direction.
To me when I see the group now, it looks and feels like a scrabble bag of individuals in a team game, almost the polar opposite to what bought us successes.
Of course though, writing us off entirely for the autos is premature, although in my personal opinion I don’t think we are consistently good enough to make the top 2, and then you are in the lottery of the play-offs. | | | |
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