| Is it possible... 09:40 - Feb 1 with 1295 views | mutters |
That we have an off day without everybody crying into their Weetabix?
The amount of entitlement that some of our fans have is incredible. Did everyone think that we should just walk the league because we've dropped some cash? Makes me chuckle to see how wound up people get and how venemous people are towards our players these days if they dare have an off day. Should we end going up these are the same people that will be on pitch rushing to get near their 'heroes'.
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| Is it possible... on 12:33 - Feb 1 with 277 views | pauldart |
| Is it possible... on 10:34 - Feb 1 by Cafe_Newman |
What is the OP expecting to encounter on here?
If we don't score in the first 15 minutes we tend to get edgy and that shows in players who are carrying high expectations: strikers and ones we've spent big money on.
The negativity of some of our fans generates frustration and anxiety and this finds its way onto the pitch and it becomes a downward spiral.
Of course criticism is expected and valid at times but what's the point when it's clearly impacting player and team performance?
Anyone who's been a parent will know that excessive encouragement is all part of a kid enjoying himself and reaching his potential. It's the same with adults too. It's how people work, we're not robots.
Helping to lift your team is far more satisfying than sitting smugly in your seat knowing all along that you were right about certain players being over-priced or not good enough. |
re - "The negativity of some of our fans generates frustration and anxiety and this finds its way onto the pitch and it becomes a downward spiral. "
The below is a post from a Preston Fan forum during yesterday’s game
“Slightly concerned about if we can keep up the defensive intensity and concentration for the 2nd half, but listening to that Ipswich crowd getting on their backs for being 0-0 against a side in the top half of the table you have to say that psychologically we have the edge.”
So to concur away teams know they can play the frustration game at PR as crowd is just not hostile enough or fully engaged even when game is in the balance - indeed you could say some `fans' wishing for failure to push their own agenda and enforce their opinion |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 12:37 - Feb 1 with 254 views | GlasgowBlue |
There shouldn't be an over reaction, but we've had an "off day" two Saturdays in a row against teams who were on a poor run of form and missing important players due to suspension and injuries. I don't think it is unfair to discuss that. |  |
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| Is it possible... on 12:48 - Feb 1 with 232 views | BlueForYou |
Apparently there were 528 passes yesterday & 182 were between O'Shea & Kipre. It's that we show no urgency to go forward. Not talking of 50 yard long balls, but short diagonal passes to the feet in a forward motion, players running with the ball (Clarke excepted), putting the opposition defence under constant pressure rather than giving them an armchair ride. We are too pedestrian, it's like watching a World Cup game where neither side is interested & the ball gets passed sideways & backwards! Everyone was saying this on the way out yesterday! Too slow, no passion, ponderous, no intent, etc. |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 13:06 - Feb 1 with 215 views | waveneyblue |
| Is it possible... on 10:12 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Getting very bored of you keep picking me out. Even your abusive post the other day was deleted because you just wont stop.
Have a look at your own posts. Do I give opinions on everything yes I do. But I discuss things and share thoughts on thinge . Your posting history shows nothing but pot shots at posters with no actual input into the thread being discussed. So yeah your quick to pick me out but how about you use the forum to discuss things and take a risk that someone might not agree with your thoughts rather than logging in to literally belittle posters that do. What is the usage of the forum for you if all you do is comment about how you dont like a poster and their post but don't even say why.
Anyways ive kept quiet upto now on you but you just havent stopped. |
You told me you blocked me ?
So how do you know ?
I was over the top on my deleted post and for that I will apologise. Glad it got removed.
However, Im sorry but I just get utterly fed up with you seemingly offering the complete opposite to any post you read, especially if its somebody trying not to be negative. As you post about a hundred times a day, its also hard to avoid you.
The post I was referring to doesn't even make sense to be fair.
Just block me again, it will make you happier. |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 13:13 - Feb 1 with 209 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is it possible... on 13:06 - Feb 1 by waveneyblue |
You told me you blocked me ?
So how do you know ?
I was over the top on my deleted post and for that I will apologise. Glad it got removed.
However, Im sorry but I just get utterly fed up with you seemingly offering the complete opposite to any post you read, especially if its somebody trying not to be negative. As you post about a hundred times a day, its also hard to avoid you.
The post I was referring to doesn't even make sense to be fair.
Just block me again, it will make you happier. |
It will make me happier if you stop your agenda. Ta
Yes ive disagreed with some positive posts. Ive also disagreed with some negatives. For example oshea and the ball playing etc. Enjoyed Mehmetis full debut etc. Its a shame you missed those.
Anyways is Sunday the games gone. We can all look forward to Tuesday. Where we kick pompys butt and come away with 3 points :) |  |
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| Is it possible... on 13:19 - Feb 1 with 206 views | The_Major |
Yet again, I point out that the impression I've had from Ashton's coffee cup chats is that not going up this year is not going to be a complete disaster. If we go up, then huzzah, but if we don't, we move onto next season.
The amount of times both he, and people on here have pointed out, is that it's a long term project. We've got to get the foundations in place before we have a realistic prospect of being established in the Prem. 23 & 24 were freak seasons, and we were spoilt by them. They happen to every team at points in their history, good or bad. We simply weren't equipped for the Prem last season, and the obvious happened.
And there is no way Ashton would be making those sort of comments of the ownership group weren't thinking the same way. When Ed Schwartz was over, he said pretty much the same things at the forum.
Sometimes it is a case of two steps forward, one back. There might need to be another go up, come straight back down again period before we are in a position to become established at the highest level. Forgive the alliteration, but we want to become a Bournemouth, a Brighton, a Brentford first, and not a Burnley where we seem to be stuck in a permanent yo yo situation.
I do think that a season outcome of "Didn't go up, but we weren't too far away" will be seen as an acceptable outcome by the powers that be for this season.
But an outcome of finishing outside the playoffs by more than three points probably won't be. Plus, next season, I suspect there will be expectations of progress by the owners given that by then the all brand new Playford Road will be up and running.
We had the stuffing knocked out of us last year because we simply weren't ready. This season is the reset and recovery season. Considering that, we're not doing too badly at all when you look at Saints and Leicester, not to mention what happened to Luton last year.
None of us five years ago could have imagined that we are where we are now. Virtual sell outs every week. Spending £20m on players. A stadium that has had a thorough brush up. Ownership that sees us as a long term project and a sound investment.
There's going to be bumps along the road, and of course after events like yesterday, people are going to be down, and react in the heat of the moment. That's emotion. But the problem is the people (and to be honest there aren't that many of them here) whio see each misstep as a cataclysmic disaster. If missteps were happening week after week after week, then I do get it.
But they're not. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:22]
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| Is it possible... on 13:34 - Feb 1 with 186 views | waveneyblue |
| Is it possible... on 13:13 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
It will make me happier if you stop your agenda. Ta
Yes ive disagreed with some positive posts. Ive also disagreed with some negatives. For example oshea and the ball playing etc. Enjoyed Mehmetis full debut etc. Its a shame you missed those.
Anyways is Sunday the games gone. We can all look forward to Tuesday. Where we kick pompys butt and come away with 3 points :) |
Agreed, a positive result against Pompey would make everyone happier | | | |
| Is it possible... on 13:57 - Feb 1 with 167 views | olimar |
| Is it possible... on 13:19 - Feb 1 by The_Major |
Yet again, I point out that the impression I've had from Ashton's coffee cup chats is that not going up this year is not going to be a complete disaster. If we go up, then huzzah, but if we don't, we move onto next season.
The amount of times both he, and people on here have pointed out, is that it's a long term project. We've got to get the foundations in place before we have a realistic prospect of being established in the Prem. 23 & 24 were freak seasons, and we were spoilt by them. They happen to every team at points in their history, good or bad. We simply weren't equipped for the Prem last season, and the obvious happened.
And there is no way Ashton would be making those sort of comments of the ownership group weren't thinking the same way. When Ed Schwartz was over, he said pretty much the same things at the forum.
Sometimes it is a case of two steps forward, one back. There might need to be another go up, come straight back down again period before we are in a position to become established at the highest level. Forgive the alliteration, but we want to become a Bournemouth, a Brighton, a Brentford first, and not a Burnley where we seem to be stuck in a permanent yo yo situation.
I do think that a season outcome of "Didn't go up, but we weren't too far away" will be seen as an acceptable outcome by the powers that be for this season.
But an outcome of finishing outside the playoffs by more than three points probably won't be. Plus, next season, I suspect there will be expectations of progress by the owners given that by then the all brand new Playford Road will be up and running.
We had the stuffing knocked out of us last year because we simply weren't ready. This season is the reset and recovery season. Considering that, we're not doing too badly at all when you look at Saints and Leicester, not to mention what happened to Luton last year.
None of us five years ago could have imagined that we are where we are now. Virtual sell outs every week. Spending £20m on players. A stadium that has had a thorough brush up. Ownership that sees us as a long term project and a sound investment.
There's going to be bumps along the road, and of course after events like yesterday, people are going to be down, and react in the heat of the moment. That's emotion. But the problem is the people (and to be honest there aren't that many of them here) whio see each misstep as a cataclysmic disaster. If missteps were happening week after week after week, then I do get it.
But they're not. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:22]
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Thats all fine, but it would also seem a little naive as a business to look at our own progress in complete isolation to the surrounding conditions.
When we won promotion, the message wasnt "we have a plan so we are going to stick to it regardless of being in the PL", we adjusted our strategy and had at least part of a focus on trying to stay in the PL in the short term. Similarly, in a championship dominated by parachute payments, to not recognise that we have a massive opportunity to adapt our strategy given that all three of the other PP clubs are having significant issues, would be quite naive.
Or to be content that what will be will be and we can focus on next season, when there is a distinct possibility that 2 long term established PL teams might be in the league, along with a serial promotion specialist, along with potentially Wrexham and Birmingham getting their act together, would also be naive.
We arent entitled to win promotion this season, but financially we will likely not have as big an advantage and competitively also. I dont think its a question of entitlement, but potentially of not making the absolute most of the best circumstances the club have had to get promotion ever. | | | |
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| Is it possible... on 14:18 - Feb 1 with 154 views | Smoresy |
Weetabix is undeniably better with moisture though and there will have been much spilt milk yesterday. 
Reframing your second question, is this familiar response in part the result of inflated confidence in what we had? McKenna's stock remained very high, by and large, at least for Championship challenges ahead. People believed that we had better players in almost every position. If the majority instead had thought the boss to be decent and his staff okay, expectations wouldn't have been nearly as high as they were, and we wouldn't be seeing these outpourings of tears when dropping to 4th. That feels as relevant to me as the money spent; people trusted in the "cheat codes".
My support isn't contingent on success (no boast!) so I'm pretty calm about where we find ourselves; I don't see saboteurs inside the building, just well-intentioned people who haven't got things quite right. I also remain sanguine about our prospects this year, but we're undeniably now a little off the pace. 10 away & 7 home remaining, you'd like that to be the other way round given respective points hauls. "Turnaround" is more appropriate than "continuation" at this point I think, to achieve the club's goal. | | | |
| Is it possible... on 14:37 - Feb 1 with 144 views | Scuzzer |
| Is it possible... on 11:07 - Feb 1 by bazza |
I think it’s more the fact we can all See our forwards aren’t good enough, and no one seems to be doing anything about it.. the lack of goals Contributed by our forwards, and the sheer amount Of good opportunities that get wasted by them is sole destroying. [Post edited 1 Feb 11:20]
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"All our forwards aren't good enough"?
Except for the fact that two of them are our leading scorers of course. Would be fairer to say our centre forwards are not good enough. [Post edited 1 Feb 14:39]
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| Is it possible... on 15:32 - Feb 1 with 114 views | HighgateBlue |
We're not entitled to win every game.
We're not entitled to get promoted.
We're not entitled to have a manager who achieves about par for the money he's spent.
We're not entitled to players putting in performances that are about par for the money spent on them.
But we /are/ entitled to point out when the manager is not achieving about par for the money he's spent, and when players are not achieving about par for the money spent on them.
And that's the situation in which we find ourselves. |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 15:41 - Feb 1 with 102 views | RetroBlue |
| Is it possible... on 09:48 - Feb 1 by LeoMuff |
Examples of having and spending large volumes of cash and failing are numerous in just the championship Soton, Leicester, Blunts, Budgies. |
Very true, but they didnt have a much coverted young manager .. |  |
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| Is it possible... on 15:41 - Feb 1 with 101 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it possible... on 13:19 - Feb 1 by The_Major |
Yet again, I point out that the impression I've had from Ashton's coffee cup chats is that not going up this year is not going to be a complete disaster. If we go up, then huzzah, but if we don't, we move onto next season.
The amount of times both he, and people on here have pointed out, is that it's a long term project. We've got to get the foundations in place before we have a realistic prospect of being established in the Prem. 23 & 24 were freak seasons, and we were spoilt by them. They happen to every team at points in their history, good or bad. We simply weren't equipped for the Prem last season, and the obvious happened.
And there is no way Ashton would be making those sort of comments of the ownership group weren't thinking the same way. When Ed Schwartz was over, he said pretty much the same things at the forum.
Sometimes it is a case of two steps forward, one back. There might need to be another go up, come straight back down again period before we are in a position to become established at the highest level. Forgive the alliteration, but we want to become a Bournemouth, a Brighton, a Brentford first, and not a Burnley where we seem to be stuck in a permanent yo yo situation.
I do think that a season outcome of "Didn't go up, but we weren't too far away" will be seen as an acceptable outcome by the powers that be for this season.
But an outcome of finishing outside the playoffs by more than three points probably won't be. Plus, next season, I suspect there will be expectations of progress by the owners given that by then the all brand new Playford Road will be up and running.
We had the stuffing knocked out of us last year because we simply weren't ready. This season is the reset and recovery season. Considering that, we're not doing too badly at all when you look at Saints and Leicester, not to mention what happened to Luton last year.
None of us five years ago could have imagined that we are where we are now. Virtual sell outs every week. Spending £20m on players. A stadium that has had a thorough brush up. Ownership that sees us as a long term project and a sound investment.
There's going to be bumps along the road, and of course after events like yesterday, people are going to be down, and react in the heat of the moment. That's emotion. But the problem is the people (and to be honest there aren't that many of them here) whio see each misstep as a cataclysmic disaster. If missteps were happening week after week after week, then I do get it.
But they're not. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:22]
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But this year is the best possible chance to go up with the other 4 parachute teams nowhere near the automatic places and of our three main rivals, one avoided relegation in the last day of ther season, the other sacked their manager after finishing 10th and the other finished 31 points behind the team that finished second.
Next year we will most likely have six parachute teams in the Championship next season. If we don't go up this season we'd have wasted a golden opportunity.
BTW, I stiull belive that we will finish in the top 2. | |
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| Is it possible... on 16:24 - Feb 1 with 85 views | billlm |
| Is it possible... on 10:49 - Feb 1 by Swansea_Blue |
“Did everyone think that we should just walk the league because we've dropped some cash?”
Some certainly did, yes. |
It's been a clusterfcuk so far this season,
Next three league games will define our season, |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 16:33 - Feb 1 with 75 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So much context missing from these type of posts as usual.
We are 2 points below a team with a transfer embargo with one of the most expensive squads in Championship history. Second place will be one of the lowest totals in years by 10+ points.
If we were on for 95-100 points no one would be crying about an off day.
Let’s not get this wrong, it was a massive two points dropped. |  |
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| Is it possible... on 16:33 - Feb 1 with 72 views | Whos_blue |
| Is it possible... on 16:24 - Feb 1 by billlm |
It's been a clusterfcuk so far this season,
Next three league games will define our season, |
In what way has it been a cluster F so far this season?
What are the metrics behind that? |  |
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| Is it possible... on 16:52 - Feb 1 with 43 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is it possible... on 13:19 - Feb 1 by The_Major |
Yet again, I point out that the impression I've had from Ashton's coffee cup chats is that not going up this year is not going to be a complete disaster. If we go up, then huzzah, but if we don't, we move onto next season.
The amount of times both he, and people on here have pointed out, is that it's a long term project. We've got to get the foundations in place before we have a realistic prospect of being established in the Prem. 23 & 24 were freak seasons, and we were spoilt by them. They happen to every team at points in their history, good or bad. We simply weren't equipped for the Prem last season, and the obvious happened.
And there is no way Ashton would be making those sort of comments of the ownership group weren't thinking the same way. When Ed Schwartz was over, he said pretty much the same things at the forum.
Sometimes it is a case of two steps forward, one back. There might need to be another go up, come straight back down again period before we are in a position to become established at the highest level. Forgive the alliteration, but we want to become a Bournemouth, a Brighton, a Brentford first, and not a Burnley where we seem to be stuck in a permanent yo yo situation.
I do think that a season outcome of "Didn't go up, but we weren't too far away" will be seen as an acceptable outcome by the powers that be for this season.
But an outcome of finishing outside the playoffs by more than three points probably won't be. Plus, next season, I suspect there will be expectations of progress by the owners given that by then the all brand new Playford Road will be up and running.
We had the stuffing knocked out of us last year because we simply weren't ready. This season is the reset and recovery season. Considering that, we're not doing too badly at all when you look at Saints and Leicester, not to mention what happened to Luton last year.
None of us five years ago could have imagined that we are where we are now. Virtual sell outs every week. Spending £20m on players. A stadium that has had a thorough brush up. Ownership that sees us as a long term project and a sound investment.
There's going to be bumps along the road, and of course after events like yesterday, people are going to be down, and react in the heat of the moment. That's emotion. But the problem is the people (and to be honest there aren't that many of them here) whio see each misstep as a cataclysmic disaster. If missteps were happening week after week after week, then I do get it.
But they're not. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:22]
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You’re deluded I’m afraid on a number of points.
How was 2023 a freak season? We were the richest club in the division and favorites for promotion.
The ownership group will know the absolute paramount importance of this season, once you run out of parachute money becomes a very hard task, you can check the stats on the last decade in terms of promoted teams on that.
This will be the lowest points total for automatic promotion by some distance in recent seasons.
The long term project stuff of course is being said and true certainly from off the pitch perspective, it will remain true when they sell for a huge profit as well. However, don’t for one minute think a playoff loss with a points total in the 70s or low 80s will be seen as ok in the context of this year. [Post edited 1 Feb 16:58]
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| Is it possible... on 16:54 - Feb 1 with 37 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Is it possible... on 12:33 - Feb 1 by pauldart |
re - "The negativity of some of our fans generates frustration and anxiety and this finds its way onto the pitch and it becomes a downward spiral. "
The below is a post from a Preston Fan forum during yesterday’s game
“Slightly concerned about if we can keep up the defensive intensity and concentration for the 2nd half, but listening to that Ipswich crowd getting on their backs for being 0-0 against a side in the top half of the table you have to say that psychologically we have the edge.”
So to concur away teams know they can play the frustration game at PR as crowd is just not hostile enough or fully engaged even when game is in the balance - indeed you could say some `fans' wishing for failure to push their own agenda and enforce their opinion |
Thanks for posting that pauldart.
Unfortunately, the closest many of our fans (I suspect the boo-boys and groaners) have got to realising the impact of their negativity are the discussions on here about whose responsibility it is to lift who: the fans lifting the team; or the team giving the fans something to cheer.
Is an age old argument which ultimately rests on the understanding of the difference between supporters and fans.
In the end it's as pointless as putting nitrogen on your grass and being discontented that your lawn looks messy because, what? you want me to cut the grass too! |  | | |
| Is it possible... on 17:03 - Feb 1 with 19 views | PhilsAngels |
| Is it possible... on 09:43 - Feb 1 by mrshallisfit |
But surely entitlement comes when you spend the money we have. Ultimately, with the mkney we have spent we should be expecting top 2. The press and the owners certainly will be. |
Well the bookies had us as promotion contenders, so you think that such backing might bring expectations from the fans. | | | |
| Is it possible... on 17:06 - Feb 1 with 7 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is it possible... on 17:03 - Feb 1 by PhilsAngels |
Well the bookies had us as promotion contenders, so you think that such backing might bring expectations from the fans. |
There’s literally not one person that could spin a top 6 finish and not getting promotion would be a successful year, especially this season. The Blades last year missed out on 98 points FFS and spent a fraction of what we did after relegation. | |
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