| *IF* we go up…. 19:16 - Feb 2 with 2644 views | Matt_Netherlands |
It will be in spite of our recruitment, not because of it. And it would be the first time in three promotions that would be the case.
That can’t even be argued with. |  | | |  |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:18 - Feb 2 with 2025 views | JakeITFC |
Probably can and will be argued with should we go up, having recruited a team to get us promotion. |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:20 - Feb 2 with 1999 views | Illinoisblue |
that wouldn't be a true or fair assessment. |  |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 19:27 - Feb 2 with 1944 views | Plums |
I'm guessing you've been offline and missed the player we signed from a Premier League club and the other one from a top 10 Championship side? |  |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 19:29 - Feb 2 with 1883 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:20 - Feb 2 by Illinoisblue |
that wouldn't be a true or fair assessment. |
Do you think more hits or misses with our transfer dealings since we were relegated? | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:39 - Feb 2 with 1775 views | Illinoisblue |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:29 - Feb 2 by Matt_Netherlands |
Do you think more hits or misses with our transfer dealings since we were relegated? |
It's a mixed bag, like most club's transfer dealings. Kipre, Azor, Furlong all excellent. Azon has potential but there's only so long you can say "he just needs a goal". Cajuste has flashes of brilliance but doesn't look suited to the Championship. Akpom is a mystery, still, which says it all really. | |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 19:41 - Feb 2 with 1740 views | waveneyblue |
Can you explain your argument if anybody was to argue with it.
I'm curious |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:41 - Feb 2 with 1734 views | jas0999 |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:27 - Feb 2 by Plums |
I'm guessing you've been offline and missed the player we signed from a Premier League club and the other one from a top 10 Championship side? |
Striker? That’s what we absolutely need. |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:48 - Feb 2 with 1639 views | gosblue |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:27 - Feb 2 by Plums |
I'm guessing you've been offline and missed the player we signed from a Premier League club and the other one from a top 10 Championship side? |
It can be argued that Mehmeti and Neil may prove to be two of the best players in the Championship. An amazing bit of business by the club. Nuñez and Jaden have already proved their worth and Clarke and Azon are getting there. Let's not forget that we got Davis when we were in League one. We haven't always got it right but we have picked up some diamonds along the way. | | | |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 19:50 - Feb 2 with 1627 views | portmanking |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:39 - Feb 2 by Illinoisblue |
It's a mixed bag, like most club's transfer dealings. Kipre, Azor, Furlong all excellent. Azon has potential but there's only so long you can say "he just needs a goal". Cajuste has flashes of brilliance but doesn't look suited to the Championship. Akpom is a mystery, still, which says it all really. |
I think Furlong being 'excellent' is contentious. He's a really solid Championship defender 1v1. But he's very limited going forward. Like a better version of Donacien. We need more up and down the pitch from him IMO, but it's not his game. I miss Harry Clarke for games like Preston on Sat, when we could've had him *and* Burns really penning them in. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:51 - Feb 2 with 1608 views | bsw72 |
Really? I’m pretty sure that the evidence will provide plenty of support to argue against it. |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:53 - Feb 2 with 1570 views | jasondozzell |
Total nonsense.
Matusiwa alone as the rebuttal! |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:59 - Feb 2 with 1501 views | ReusersTown |
Up there with one of the most stupid things written on this forum. Who exactly do you think is on the pitch and where do you think they came from? | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:05 - Feb 2 with 1457 views | Nutkins_Return |
Just a quite frankly bizarre statement.
If we go up we have been successful. Why do we just have to be so unbelievably negative.
The hardest thing about our season was starting 'from scratch' i.e. having to bed in so many players. We have an excellent squad. We are in a decent position if not exactly where we want to be.
Window is shut. Let's now go and get on with getting g the job done. | |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 20:34 - Feb 2 with 1324 views | Cafe_Newman |
I'm struggling with the logic of this one, Matt. |  | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:41 - Feb 2 with 1263 views | ITFC_Forever |
Doesn’t even make sense.
If we go up, the players will have done it on the pitch. You know, the ones we recruited. |  |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 20:43 - Feb 2 with 1253 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| *IF* we go up…. on 19:51 - Feb 2 by bsw72 |
Really? I’m pretty sure that the evidence will provide plenty of support to argue against it. |
Ok then…
Button - Indifferent - Can’t really judge
Kipre - Hit - Improved as season has gone on. Is he better than Greaves would be with a run of games?
Furlong - Miss - Starting every week doesn’t make him a hit. Defensively solid but moves the ball too slowly, makes us too defensive down the right and offers no more than Johnson does.
Young - Miss - If we wanted an experienced leader in the group who can play 20vmins here and there, we should’ve done more to keep Mass or Morsy.
Cajuste - Miss - Some flashes of brilliance but doesn’t add enough for what will be a very expensive loan.
Nunez - Hit - Adds some guile and flair that we’ve been missing. Classy player.
Matusiwa - Big hit - Looks a really class addition and just what we needed
McAteer - Miss - spending £12m on a player from the bench of a rival team just to sit on our bench, makes no sense at all.
Egeli - Miss (For now) - Everything crossed he comes good in time, but £17m+ on a project player feels like a very expensive luxury, when he’s struggled to get going so far
Akpom - Miss - Is he a 10? Is he a 9? Think his Boro season was a one off.
Azon - Miss (Just) - A good physical presence, but been clear from day one that his finishing isn’t clinical enough and the data backs that up.
Neil and Mehmeti look like shrewd additions in paper but too early to judge.
In previous January windows we’ve signed:
22/23 - Luongo, Clarke, Hirst, Broadhead - Qualitu additions which stepped up a level the next season
23/24 - Moore and Sarmiento both played key roles in getting us up. Ali hasn’t worked out and Travis seemed like an odd signing.
Nobody can argue that our business since we got relegated has been good. We’ve spent £30m on two right wingers that can’t get in the team - that says it all. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:43 - Feb 2 with 1252 views | Reuser_is_God |
What a melon. |  |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 20:48 - Feb 2 with 1219 views | ReusersTown |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:43 - Feb 2 by Matt_Netherlands |
Ok then…
Button - Indifferent - Can’t really judge
Kipre - Hit - Improved as season has gone on. Is he better than Greaves would be with a run of games?
Furlong - Miss - Starting every week doesn’t make him a hit. Defensively solid but moves the ball too slowly, makes us too defensive down the right and offers no more than Johnson does.
Young - Miss - If we wanted an experienced leader in the group who can play 20vmins here and there, we should’ve done more to keep Mass or Morsy.
Cajuste - Miss - Some flashes of brilliance but doesn’t add enough for what will be a very expensive loan.
Nunez - Hit - Adds some guile and flair that we’ve been missing. Classy player.
Matusiwa - Big hit - Looks a really class addition and just what we needed
McAteer - Miss - spending £12m on a player from the bench of a rival team just to sit on our bench, makes no sense at all.
Egeli - Miss (For now) - Everything crossed he comes good in time, but £17m+ on a project player feels like a very expensive luxury, when he’s struggled to get going so far
Akpom - Miss - Is he a 10? Is he a 9? Think his Boro season was a one off.
Azon - Miss (Just) - A good physical presence, but been clear from day one that his finishing isn’t clinical enough and the data backs that up.
Neil and Mehmeti look like shrewd additions in paper but too early to judge.
In previous January windows we’ve signed:
22/23 - Luongo, Clarke, Hirst, Broadhead - Qualitu additions which stepped up a level the next season
23/24 - Moore and Sarmiento both played key roles in getting us up. Ali hasn’t worked out and Travis seemed like an odd signing.
Nobody can argue that our business since we got relegated has been good. We’ve spent £30m on two right wingers that can’t get in the team - that says it all. |
But that isn't even the point you've made in the OP. According to you we'd have achieved our ambitions of promotion with the players 'recruited' in spite of their recruitment. Have a think about that. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:51 - Feb 2 with 1203 views | Cafe_Newman |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:43 - Feb 2 by Matt_Netherlands |
Ok then…
Button - Indifferent - Can’t really judge
Kipre - Hit - Improved as season has gone on. Is he better than Greaves would be with a run of games?
Furlong - Miss - Starting every week doesn’t make him a hit. Defensively solid but moves the ball too slowly, makes us too defensive down the right and offers no more than Johnson does.
Young - Miss - If we wanted an experienced leader in the group who can play 20vmins here and there, we should’ve done more to keep Mass or Morsy.
Cajuste - Miss - Some flashes of brilliance but doesn’t add enough for what will be a very expensive loan.
Nunez - Hit - Adds some guile and flair that we’ve been missing. Classy player.
Matusiwa - Big hit - Looks a really class addition and just what we needed
McAteer - Miss - spending £12m on a player from the bench of a rival team just to sit on our bench, makes no sense at all.
Egeli - Miss (For now) - Everything crossed he comes good in time, but £17m+ on a project player feels like a very expensive luxury, when he’s struggled to get going so far
Akpom - Miss - Is he a 10? Is he a 9? Think his Boro season was a one off.
Azon - Miss (Just) - A good physical presence, but been clear from day one that his finishing isn’t clinical enough and the data backs that up.
Neil and Mehmeti look like shrewd additions in paper but too early to judge.
In previous January windows we’ve signed:
22/23 - Luongo, Clarke, Hirst, Broadhead - Qualitu additions which stepped up a level the next season
23/24 - Moore and Sarmiento both played key roles in getting us up. Ali hasn’t worked out and Travis seemed like an odd signing.
Nobody can argue that our business since we got relegated has been good. We’ve spent £30m on two right wingers that can’t get in the team - that says it all. |
But if we go up, won't it be precisely because of all the awful players we've signed? | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:57 - Feb 2 with 1169 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| *IF* we go up…. on 20:48 - Feb 2 by ReusersTown |
But that isn't even the point you've made in the OP. According to you we'd have achieved our ambitions of promotion with the players 'recruited' in spite of their recruitment. Have a think about that. |
I mean that we’ll have got promoted despite a lot of our recruitment being absolutely mind boggling.
Hard to really say with any conviction that players like Young, McAteer, Egeli, Akpom and even Cajuste are making a meaningful difference to where we are in the league right now. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:18 - Feb 2 with 1099 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Well you're getting piled upon but I make you right. Too many expensive mistakes and a scattergun, reactive approach from a club that were in a fantastic position with loads of money.
Szmodics, Greaves, Mcateer, Akpom, Cajuste, even Young and for what we needed there and then Egeli.
All shocking business. Especially when good players were bombed out to make room for them.
Definitely the weakest area of the club for a good couple of seasons and holding back progress and potential when things are otherwise extremely rosy. [Post edited 2 Feb 21:28]
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| *IF* we go up…. on 21:30 - Feb 2 with 1071 views | Cafe_Newman |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:18 - Feb 2 by BouncebackIpswich |
Well you're getting piled upon but I make you right. Too many expensive mistakes and a scattergun, reactive approach from a club that were in a fantastic position with loads of money.
Szmodics, Greaves, Mcateer, Akpom, Cajuste, even Young and for what we needed there and then Egeli.
All shocking business. Especially when good players were bombed out to make room for them.
Definitely the weakest area of the club for a good couple of seasons and holding back progress and potential when things are otherwise extremely rosy. [Post edited 2 Feb 21:28]
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But if we go up, it will be because the players won more matches than at least two of the teams above us. And that will be because of the players we've recruited. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:32 - Feb 2 with 1056 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:30 - Feb 2 by Cafe_Newman |
But if we go up, it will be because the players won more matches than at least two of the teams above us. And that will be because of the players we've recruited. |
I would venture to say it would be due to McKenna being an excellent coach and in spite of some of the players we brought in.
Matusiwa, Philogene and O Shea admittedly notable exceptions. | | | |
| *IF* we go up…. on 22:54 - Feb 2 with 992 views | Plums |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:18 - Feb 2 by BouncebackIpswich |
Well you're getting piled upon but I make you right. Too many expensive mistakes and a scattergun, reactive approach from a club that were in a fantastic position with loads of money.
Szmodics, Greaves, Mcateer, Akpom, Cajuste, even Young and for what we needed there and then Egeli.
All shocking business. Especially when good players were bombed out to make room for them.
Definitely the weakest area of the club for a good couple of seasons and holding back progress and potential when things are otherwise extremely rosy. [Post edited 2 Feb 21:28]
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How much of that 'shocking business' did you call out at the time? There was a lot of support and excitement for the signings of Szmodics, Akpom, Cajuste and Egeli. Did you buck the trend or is this all hindsight? | |
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| *IF* we go up…. on 23:00 - Feb 2 with 974 views | Cafe_Newman |
| *IF* we go up…. on 21:32 - Feb 2 by BouncebackIpswich |
I would venture to say it would be due to McKenna being an excellent coach and in spite of some of the players we brought in.
Matusiwa, Philogene and O Shea admittedly notable exceptions. |
But McKenna's not a player. And if you admit that he's an excellent coach, then he can clearly coach those currently not performing to people's expectations, to perform better.
To be honest, I'm completely baffled by some of the threads and opinions on the site tonight. | | | |
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