| Best thing Labour could do now 06:34 - Feb 5 with 1149 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
is for Starmer to step down and to replace Angeliki Stogia in the Gorton and Denton by-election with Andy Burnham. If Starmer won't step down, they need to have a vote of no confidence. He's damaging the Labour Party and the UK. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:48 - Feb 5 with 923 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
The ship has sailed on the Gorton and Denton by-election. Nominations for candidates have closed. |  | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 with 899 views | Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:06 - Feb 5 with 858 views | RadioOrwell |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |
I don't think anyone is going to get a majority so we'll end up with a scabby coalition.
Lib Dem, Green and Reform support PR and Labour members ( but not the leadership )
so PR could easily become a bargaining chip.
Reform want a referendum on it and they always go well don't they. |  | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:08 - Feb 5 with 849 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |
So a Tory/Reform coalition then? |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:13 - Feb 5 with 820 views | Herbivore |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:08 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
So a Tory/Reform coalition then? |
YouGov has them at 44% combined which may or may not be enough to form a working coalition. They'd need support from some of the smaller parties I expect. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:16 - Feb 5 with 804 views | positivity |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:08 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
So a Tory/Reform coalition then? |
even if they had a majority, would badenoch be happy to play 2nd fiddle to pm farage? they'd probably need to bring in the snp and unionists too... |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:20 - Feb 5 with 778 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |
Was major electoral reform in the Labour manifesto?
It would be noble to save the electorate from a system that means their vote is the wrong outcome into one that is the right outcome... with the coincidence that this happens to save the skins of current government.
I think this would be viewed as counter productive. | | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:20 - Feb 5 with 778 views | baxterbasics |
Likely the first move will be to get rid of McSweeney, that's what Labour MPs seem to want first and foremost.
My not be enough to save KS ultimately - but if he doesn't resign, who is going to challenge? Rayner still has her own tax affairs investigation hanging over her head, it's too soon for her. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:37 - Feb 5 with 731 views | Herbivore |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:20 - Feb 5 by LandOfMickyStockwell |
Was major electoral reform in the Labour manifesto?
It would be noble to save the electorate from a system that means their vote is the wrong outcome into one that is the right outcome... with the coincidence that this happens to save the skins of current government.
I think this would be viewed as counter productive. |
They won't do it, obviously, and they shouldn't do it either given they've previously shown no appetite for it (even though it's popular amongst Labour voters). My point was more that I think that's the only thing Labour could do to stop Reform winning the next election at this point. I don't see anyone in the current parliamentary party who can turn it around if Starmer goes. It'll probably be Streeting who is even less palatable in many ways. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:42 - Feb 5 with 709 views | Benters |
He’s already damaged the UK. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:43 - Feb 5 with 711 views | Herbivore |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:42 - Feb 5 by Benters |
He’s already damaged the UK. |
Much less so than, say, Brexit though which you voted for. And the damage he's done is very small in comparison to what's to come if Reform get in. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:43 - Feb 5 with 706 views | NthQldITFC |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:20 - Feb 5 by baxterbasics |
Likely the first move will be to get rid of McSweeney, that's what Labour MPs seem to want first and foremost.
My not be enough to save KS ultimately - but if he doesn't resign, who is going to challenge? Rayner still has her own tax affairs investigation hanging over her head, it's too soon for her. |
I guess next time around the NEC won't block Burnham, the stupid c**ts. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 10:03 - Feb 5 with 638 views | MattinLondon |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |
People are very fickle and if Starmer goes and replaced with someone who resonates with the public anything can happen. Still three years to the next election.
But Starmer does need to go. |  | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 10:54 - Feb 5 with 565 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:37 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
They won't do it, obviously, and they shouldn't do it either given they've previously shown no appetite for it (even though it's popular amongst Labour voters). My point was more that I think that's the only thing Labour could do to stop Reform winning the next election at this point. I don't see anyone in the current parliamentary party who can turn it around if Starmer goes. It'll probably be Streeting who is even less palatable in many ways. |
I agree they won't, and shouldn't. The survival of a political party is irrelevant to the wider public crying out for genuine change and improvement in their lives. Manoeuvres like this by Labour to shore themselves up would be a lead balloon. If the option to actually govern in a competent way that appeals to (or at least does not upset) the majority is off the table, then they should call a GE. Parties should worry about what they can do for the county rather than keeping out one faction or another. However, the Reform UK machine is still in a growth phase, so an early GE might be an option if keeping them out is a goal. | | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 11:24 - Feb 5 with 503 views | Herbivore |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 10:54 - Feb 5 by LandOfMickyStockwell |
I agree they won't, and shouldn't. The survival of a political party is irrelevant to the wider public crying out for genuine change and improvement in their lives. Manoeuvres like this by Labour to shore themselves up would be a lead balloon. If the option to actually govern in a competent way that appeals to (or at least does not upset) the majority is off the table, then they should call a GE. Parties should worry about what they can do for the county rather than keeping out one faction or another. However, the Reform UK machine is still in a growth phase, so an early GE might be an option if keeping them out is a goal. |
We can't keep having GEs constantly. Part of the problem with our system is that even a 5 year cycle is too short to tackle a lot of genuine problems, like climate change, the housing shortage, an ageing population. These issues can't be addressed by the kind of short term planning that dominates in fixed term parliaments and we've never really worked on mechanisms to create longer term cross-party working on these big issues. That's partly down to fixed term parliaments and partly due to our adversarial first past the post system.
All Labour can really do is make some changes internally and get on with the job of trying to make people's lives better. We've seen that pandering to Reform doesn't work and doesn't make people's lives any better, which is a glimpse into the future, so re-focusing on policies that will improve people's living standards and address things like the broken NHS are their best bet and then they have to hope some of that stuff cuts through.
The 24 hour news cycle and the turning of politics into a soap opera is good for journalists and good for clicks but it's not great for anything decent happening in the country. In simpler times, politics only made headlines when something really significant happened. Now EVERYTHING is a story in order to feed the news cycle and the public appetite for blood. We then end up with leaders and governments being changed every 5 minutes which doesn't really give us the kind of stable government needed to address the problems of the modern world. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 11:25 - Feb 5 with 503 views | Herbivore |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 10:03 - Feb 5 by MattinLondon |
People are very fickle and if Starmer goes and replaced with someone who resonates with the public anything can happen. Still three years to the next election.
But Starmer does need to go. |
I can't see anyone in the parliamentary Labour party who will resonate with the public though. Streeting is awful. Rayner is now damaged goods. Who will come to the rescue? | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:10 - Feb 5 with 417 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 11:25 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I can't see anyone in the parliamentary Labour party who will resonate with the public though. Streeting is awful. Rayner is now damaged goods. Who will come to the rescue? |
Yeah, nobody stands out. Ed Miliband seems less tainted than most, but it would be rather surrela for them to go full circle. Anyway, if, as we're told, Morgan McSweeney is the one behind a lot of their actions, does it really matter who resonates with the public? Nothing would change.
I'm feeling pretty down and cynical about the state of politics in the UK at the moment. I think we're screwed unless there are some fundamental changes to how things run (electoral reform, party funding reform, lobbying reform, change in thinking about following the same economic models that have been failing people for 40+ years, etc.). |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:22 - Feb 5 with 383 views | baxterbasics |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:10 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, nobody stands out. Ed Miliband seems less tainted than most, but it would be rather surrela for them to go full circle. Anyway, if, as we're told, Morgan McSweeney is the one behind a lot of their actions, does it really matter who resonates with the public? Nothing would change.
I'm feeling pretty down and cynical about the state of politics in the UK at the moment. I think we're screwed unless there are some fundamental changes to how things run (electoral reform, party funding reform, lobbying reform, change in thinking about following the same economic models that have been failing people for 40+ years, etc.). |
In my opinion the only thing that's going to bring about real change is for more people to start caring and taking an interest and getting involved again. Apathy leads to bad actors getting away with it, bad institutions going unchecked. In a democracy it's we the people ultimately who shape things.
This means we need more people reading the news (not just clickbait headlines), more people following politics closely and learning how this all works, more people joining political parties.
Sadly poor performance breeds apathy which then allows for more poor performance, and a feeling that nothing can or will change. What it might need is a crisis that actually deeply affects peoples lives and wakes us all up that this stuff matters. Even Covid wasn't big enough to do this, other than temporarily. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:31 - Feb 5 with 354 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 08:54 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I don't think anything can save Labour now. The only way they can prevent us from a Reform government in 2029 is if they push through major electoral reform and bring in PR. |
Finest thing Starmer could do for the country would be to step down and devote himself full-time to using his legal wiles to dig up whatever it is that can disqualify Farage. I cling to the (possibly naive) hope that without him, and without the core of fervid zealots that enables someone like Trump and his ilk, Reform would be less effective at cooing into the ear of those too ignorant to be persuaded by facts, data, reasoned debate or even lived experience, given his henchmen are Badenoch-level incompetents even when Labour accidentally present them with open goals.
It'd be quite poetically fitting if he turned out to be a prolific sleepwalker and accidentally goose-stepped off the white cliffs of Dover, but absent that, surely he was in the market for a trip to a private island somewhere at some stage? | | | |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:40 - Feb 5 with 309 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:22 - Feb 5 by baxterbasics |
In my opinion the only thing that's going to bring about real change is for more people to start caring and taking an interest and getting involved again. Apathy leads to bad actors getting away with it, bad institutions going unchecked. In a democracy it's we the people ultimately who shape things.
This means we need more people reading the news (not just clickbait headlines), more people following politics closely and learning how this all works, more people joining political parties.
Sadly poor performance breeds apathy which then allows for more poor performance, and a feeling that nothing can or will change. What it might need is a crisis that actually deeply affects peoples lives and wakes us all up that this stuff matters. Even Covid wasn't big enough to do this, other than temporarily. |
That seems sensible. Before I came off social media, I'd see clips regularly from the likes of Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart encouraging people to get more involved in grassroots politics. Especially youngsters. It seems sensible, but yeah apathy. It probably has to be the youngsters as they're the only ones with any enthusiasm left. | |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:53 - Feb 5 with 266 views | Pinewoodblue |
Proportional representation is not the answer, nor is the current system fit for purpose.
The choice should between a single transferable vote, or a second round of voting , between the top two in the first vote, if no candidate achieves 50%+1 of the votes cast. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:55 - Feb 5 with 261 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:16 - Feb 5 by positivity |
even if they had a majority, would badenoch be happy to play 2nd fiddle to pm farage? they'd probably need to bring in the snp and unionists too... |
There won’t be and legally doesn’t need to be an election until late 2028/early 2029 anyway, so it’s all pointless ‘fantasy politics’ right now [Post edited 5 Feb 12:56]
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 13:22 - Feb 5 with 186 views | hype313 |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 09:20 - Feb 5 by baxterbasics |
Likely the first move will be to get rid of McSweeney, that's what Labour MPs seem to want first and foremost.
My not be enough to save KS ultimately - but if he doesn't resign, who is going to challenge? Rayner still has her own tax affairs investigation hanging over her head, it's too soon for her. |
Sacking McSweeney doesn't help Starmer, without him he's rudderless and also puts the spotlight back on him.
Labour need to remove him ASAP, this isn't going to go away, the noise is far too loud and from what we hear, more damning publications will come out.
Had high hopes for Labour after the Tory disaster, shame to see they are equally inept.
Fool for me to think people in power generally want to help the nation. |  |
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| Best thing Labour could do now on 13:25 - Feb 5 with 177 views | baxterbasics |
| Best thing Labour could do now on 12:40 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue |
That seems sensible. Before I came off social media, I'd see clips regularly from the likes of Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart encouraging people to get more involved in grassroots politics. Especially youngsters. It seems sensible, but yeah apathy. It probably has to be the youngsters as they're the only ones with any enthusiasm left. |
Young people can and do care a lot about the big issues, we see that. But it's the mundane stuff they don't seem to have the stomach for. It would help if we had compulsory politics and government classes (maybe even a GCSE) at schools so they can learn how things actually work.
The rest of us are also just too busy these days trying to make ends meet. | |
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