| McKenna - Szmodics 11:00 - Feb 6 with 1974 views | pingu67 |
Sometimes it's best to keep the truth quiet even if things have gone on that the public do not need to be aware of
By coming out with his his comments this morning is insinuating that something has gone on which people do not need to be aware of
It would surely have been best all round if KM just stated Szmodics was unhappy as he wanted to play regular football in a world cup year and we could not guarantee that instead of insinuating that there were issues behind the scenes |  | | |  |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:04 - Feb 6 with 1903 views | JakeITFC |
I prefer his honesty. |  | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:07 - Feb 6 with 1873 views | Roburmsyenna |
he and club getting pelters for moving him on, why would he not address that, bloke is obviously not popular around the group. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:09 - Feb 6 with 1851 views | RetroBlue |
The club have acted as an employer in exactly the right way. They have a duty of care to their employees under the racial discrimination law. Szmodics had to go. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:10 - Feb 6 with 1838 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Did surprise me a bit tbh. McKenna is normally the one to tow the party line, especially when it comes to protecting our negotiating position. Can't imagine these comments are that helpful when it comes to trying to realise the most value for him in the summer, but maybe he deemed the public insinuation to the supporter base and other members of squad and staff was more important right now. He's very considered in what he says, its generally by design rather than emotional. |  | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:10 - Feb 6 with 1835 views | Swansea_Blue |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:04 - Feb 6 by JakeITFC |
I prefer his honesty. |
Me too. I don’t think a lot needs to be made of it either. It wasn’t quite working out, all parties move on. Not everyone is going to get on or be happy all of the time; people all respond differently. It doesn’t matter now. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:11 - Feb 6 with 1822 views | bsw72 |
It would have been in the best interest for Szmodics to keep quiet, but certainly not the club or McK's reputation.
He is calling out a player who he feels has been disruptive - which does two things, it addresses any rumours and also then shows to others he will not tolerate.
It's good and strong leadership. |  | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:12 - Feb 6 with 1808 views | Swailsey |
Couldn’t disagree more. He’s right to call this out. The fact he has when he’s normally so reserved should tell you the significance of what happened. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:21 - Feb 6 with 1718 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
With so many people unhappy with his departure it makes sense to be honest about why it has happened. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:38 - Feb 6 with 1632 views | pingu67 |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:11 - Feb 6 by bsw72 |
It would have been in the best interest for Szmodics to keep quiet, but certainly not the club or McK's reputation.
He is calling out a player who he feels has been disruptive - which does two things, it addresses any rumours and also then shows to others he will not tolerate.
It's good and strong leadership. |
Thirdly calling out a player for a poor attitude has a knock on effect come the summer, once the loan is over will Szmodics want to play for a manager who has called him out?
Of course not, therefore, his value has plummeted as who is going to pay a decent fee for a potentially disruptive influence despite their ability | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:48 - Feb 6 with 1565 views | Harwich_Blue |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:38 - Feb 6 by pingu67 |
Thirdly calling out a player for a poor attitude has a knock on effect come the summer, once the loan is over will Szmodics want to play for a manager who has called him out?
Of course not, therefore, his value has plummeted as who is going to pay a decent fee for a potentially disruptive influence despite their ability |
Fee will have been agreed already with Derby - just didnt have time to get it through , barring him breaking a clause in that pre-fee contract he will be gone anyway |  | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 13:14 - Feb 6 with 1274 views | bsw72 |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:38 - Feb 6 by pingu67 |
Thirdly calling out a player for a poor attitude has a knock on effect come the summer, once the loan is over will Szmodics want to play for a manager who has called him out?
Of course not, therefore, his value has plummeted as who is going to pay a decent fee for a potentially disruptive influence despite their ability |
So Szmodics should not be called out for p[otentially disruptive behaviour? Imagine how the rest of the team would look upon that - senior player allowed to "get away with it".
McKenna has now shown he is not willing to put up with players who do not fit into the squad ethos or have disciplinary/authority issues. Would suggest that Williams showed that first, followed with Woolfenden and now Szmodics.
As for the financial impact, not sure what you think the value would have been for a 31 year old with a poor recent injury record who struggled in the Prem who has had 1 season with 20+ goals in his career outside of which he averages about 12 goals per season, all in Champ and League 1.
Management and leadership is not an easy thing to do - and there is no 100% right or wrong, but this is certainly closer to the right thing to do for the club and squad than not | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 13:22 - Feb 6 with 1213 views | pingu67 |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 13:14 - Feb 6 by bsw72 |
So Szmodics should not be called out for p[otentially disruptive behaviour? Imagine how the rest of the team would look upon that - senior player allowed to "get away with it".
McKenna has now shown he is not willing to put up with players who do not fit into the squad ethos or have disciplinary/authority issues. Would suggest that Williams showed that first, followed with Woolfenden and now Szmodics.
As for the financial impact, not sure what you think the value would have been for a 31 year old with a poor recent injury record who struggled in the Prem who has had 1 season with 20+ goals in his career outside of which he averages about 12 goals per season, all in Champ and League 1.
Management and leadership is not an easy thing to do - and there is no 100% right or wrong, but this is certainly closer to the right thing to do for the club and squad than not |
What utter nonsense, it's quite clear SS hadn't got away with anything given the fact he was shipped out of the club
There are ways of dealing with situations | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 13:24 - Feb 6 with 1203 views | SomethingBlue |
No, he was right to go there. Imagine the bedwetting, especially in the current hysterical climate, if Szmodics had an absolute stormer on loan at Derby! The context is needed, it's good that he supplied some. | |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 14:40 - Feb 6 with 978 views | Guthrum |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:38 - Feb 6 by pingu67 |
Thirdly calling out a player for a poor attitude has a knock on effect come the summer, once the loan is over will Szmodics want to play for a manager who has called him out?
Of course not, therefore, his value has plummeted as who is going to pay a decent fee for a potentially disruptive influence despite their ability |
Firstly, I don't think Szmodics is going to play for Ipswich again anyway. He hasn't really worked for our setup in the Champ and, while decent in the Prem, he was no more than that, plus spending a long time out injured.
Secondly, if we do get promoted, a couple of million won't be worth quibbling about. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 14:56 - Feb 6 with 917 views | pingu67 |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 14:40 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
Firstly, I don't think Szmodics is going to play for Ipswich again anyway. He hasn't really worked for our setup in the Champ and, while decent in the Prem, he was no more than that, plus spending a long time out injured.
Secondly, if we do get promoted, a couple of million won't be worth quibbling about. |
Fair points
I don't disagree with anything you've said, however, early season when he did get some game time he did look the most threatening of our attacking players constantly looking to put the defence under pressure
He would have been surplus to requirements given the queue ahead of him for game time so it's a good move for him to get more game time | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 14:58 - Feb 6 with 907 views | lazyblue |
Rubbish , tell it as it is. If SS has been a problem then it’s good to know that problem has gone . | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 15:50 - Feb 6 with 747 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:11 - Feb 6 by bsw72 |
It would have been in the best interest for Szmodics to keep quiet, but certainly not the club or McK's reputation.
He is calling out a player who he feels has been disruptive - which does two things, it addresses any rumours and also then shows to others he will not tolerate.
It's good and strong leadership. |
Won't tolerate it?
He played him. And then loaned him out to the club he wanted to go too.
If anything hes been rewarded. |  |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 15:58 - Feb 6 with 688 views | monty_radio |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 11:10 - Feb 6 by _CliveBaker_ |
Did surprise me a bit tbh. McKenna is normally the one to tow the party line, especially when it comes to protecting our negotiating position. Can't imagine these comments are that helpful when it comes to trying to realise the most value for him in the summer, but maybe he deemed the public insinuation to the supporter base and other members of squad and staff was more important right now. He's very considered in what he says, its generally by design rather than emotional. |
Yes - I don't see that McKenna's honesty is at stake here. It's not dishonest to withhold harmful information on something that is now in the past, and has no further bearing on what anyone else should know or do. Nobody would question the basic honesty of SBR, but I don't recall he gave out chapter and verse on his disagreements with Baxter or Carroll. | |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 16:05 - Feb 6 with 640 views | JakeITFC |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 15:58 - Feb 6 by monty_radio |
Yes - I don't see that McKenna's honesty is at stake here. It's not dishonest to withhold harmful information on something that is now in the past, and has no further bearing on what anyone else should know or do. Nobody would question the basic honesty of SBR, but I don't recall he gave out chapter and verse on his disagreements with Baxter or Carroll. |
He was questioned as to why his comment that we'd only sell at the right price wasn't true as we'd loaned Szmodics out and therefore was well within his rights to explain why that came to pass. | | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 16:16 - Feb 6 with 583 views | SomethingBlue |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 15:58 - Feb 6 by monty_radio |
Yes - I don't see that McKenna's honesty is at stake here. It's not dishonest to withhold harmful information on something that is now in the past, and has no further bearing on what anyone else should know or do. Nobody would question the basic honesty of SBR, but I don't recall he gave out chapter and verse on his disagreements with Baxter or Carroll. |
I think it has a lot of bearing, if Szmodics goes and fires Derby to promotion and we don't make it then it'd be absolute unimaginable hellfire around our fanbase. It is fair to let people know that the decision was made for completely separate reasons to "who's good in the No10?". Don't really think the business element matters regarding a rapidly depreciating asset either. And I think we can take it even more seriously because it's not like McKenna has ever done this before – if he wanted to speak about every issue he's had to deal with in the last four years the presser would probably not have finished yet. | |
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| McKenna - Szmodics on 16:59 - Feb 6 with 349 views | waveneyblue |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 15:50 - Feb 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Won't tolerate it?
He played him. And then loaned him out to the club he wanted to go too.
If anything hes been rewarded. |
Don't get this take at all. (unsurprisingly)
He played him due to injuries (puts him in shop window too) and then got rid.
The loan gets him away for a bit whilst they pay (some of) his wages.
Keeping him around on the naughty step would be daft. |  | | |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 17:17 - Feb 6 with 218 views | monty_radio |
| McKenna - Szmodics on 16:16 - Feb 6 by SomethingBlue |
I think it has a lot of bearing, if Szmodics goes and fires Derby to promotion and we don't make it then it'd be absolute unimaginable hellfire around our fanbase. It is fair to let people know that the decision was made for completely separate reasons to "who's good in the No10?". Don't really think the business element matters regarding a rapidly depreciating asset either. And I think we can take it even more seriously because it's not like McKenna has ever done this before – if he wanted to speak about every issue he's had to deal with in the last four years the presser would probably not have finished yet. |
Indeed he hasn't spoken out this way in the general, but that doesn't provide grounds for saying that he's therefore correct on this occasion. If, as you suggest, it's a future-proofing against Sammie coming good while we fall away, then I don't feel that fan reaction, in that hypothetical situation, is reason enough to toss that public slur into the arena. Kieran's general standard of conduct is unblemished enough so that he should have no need to guard against putative future fan pile-on. But, as a slip, it's an exception that proves his good rule. | |
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