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Nature is healing… on 09:49 - Feb 12 with 229 viewseireblue

Nature is healing… on 09:40 - Feb 12 by mutters

Oat milk is pretty much liquid starch, so good that it's been forced to rebrand.

It's not great for blood sugar as it causes spikes.


You do know what lactose is?

“ When we drink milk, the lactose is broken down into glucose and galactose, both of which raise blood sugar.”

Also, not great for the majority of people that are lactose intolerant.
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Nature is healing… on 09:58 - Feb 12 with 197 viewsbaxterbasics

I'm noticing that with every trip to the supermarket, there seems to be more and more 'alternative' and 'free from' products filling the shelves. Plant based, fake meats, fake milks, sugar-free sweeties and gluten free breads. More recently, products with added protein.

I get that some people need alternatives for health reasons. But there's no way there is this much demand (and the amount of these items I see in the "reduced" sections seems to confirm this). This is a push from above on the supply side. What it means is less room on the shelves for the traditional proper foods that most of us have been enjoying fine for generations.


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Nature is healing… on 10:01 - Feb 12 with 191 viewsmutters

Nature is healing… on 09:49 - Feb 12 by eireblue

You do know what lactose is?

“ When we drink milk, the lactose is broken down into glucose and galactose, both of which raise blood sugar.”

Also, not great for the majority of people that are lactose intolerant.


Agreed, neither are particularly brilliant but Oat milk has a much higher GI number than cows milk.

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Nature is healing… on 10:04 - Feb 12 with 187 viewsNthQldITFC

Nature is healing… on 08:40 - Feb 12 by Herbivore

Or we could call milk "forced animal lactations" instead to make it more accurate. Coconut milk has been called milk for donkeys years, why should the coconuts have to give up their proud tradition of yielding milk?


Are you telling me that coconuts are not tough little round, short-furred animals that congregate up trees and drop on unsuspecting prey? Related to drop bears, are they not? Though how you milk 'em, I have no idea.

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Nature is healing… on 10:35 - Feb 12 with 158 viewsBluesky

Nature is healing… on 07:45 - Feb 12 by NthQldITFC

All I know is that it's safer than milking a hippopotamus.


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Nature is healing… on 11:41 - Feb 12 with 107 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nature is healing… on 09:58 - Feb 12 by baxterbasics

I'm noticing that with every trip to the supermarket, there seems to be more and more 'alternative' and 'free from' products filling the shelves. Plant based, fake meats, fake milks, sugar-free sweeties and gluten free breads. More recently, products with added protein.

I get that some people need alternatives for health reasons. But there's no way there is this much demand (and the amount of these items I see in the "reduced" sections seems to confirm this). This is a push from above on the supply side. What it means is less room on the shelves for the traditional proper foods that most of us have been enjoying fine for generations.



A lot of the free from stuff is genuinely appreciated for health reasons. I’ve a family member who’s allergic and intolerant to pretty much everything except air and those ranges are a literal life saver. You can make all the things yourself of course, like bread with gluten free flour and no added sugar, but that’s the same with most food people buy. Convenience is, er, convenient and she’s thankful for the option.

I’m cautious about a lot of the processed stuff though. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the ’full fat’ original version or a free from version, if it’s highly processed and full of carcinogenic additives it isn’t going to do you any good.

If anyone is curious about what’s in our food and links to disease, https://yuka.io/en/ is good. You can use the app to scan items and it’ll pull up their ingredients list and health concerns. You’re relying on their assessment of a particular ingredient, but they’re fairly transparent about where they get their info from.

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Nature is healing… on 11:44 - Feb 12 with 105 viewsDanTheMan

Nature is healing… on 11:41 - Feb 12 by Swansea_Blue

A lot of the free from stuff is genuinely appreciated for health reasons. I’ve a family member who’s allergic and intolerant to pretty much everything except air and those ranges are a literal life saver. You can make all the things yourself of course, like bread with gluten free flour and no added sugar, but that’s the same with most food people buy. Convenience is, er, convenient and she’s thankful for the option.

I’m cautious about a lot of the processed stuff though. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the ’full fat’ original version or a free from version, if it’s highly processed and full of carcinogenic additives it isn’t going to do you any good.

If anyone is curious about what’s in our food and links to disease, https://yuka.io/en/ is good. You can use the app to scan items and it’ll pull up their ingredients list and health concerns. You’re relying on their assessment of a particular ingredient, but they’re fairly transparent about where they get their info from.


My wife has celiac and the expanded ranges are very useful.

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Nature is healing… on 11:44 - Feb 12 with 104 viewsjonny1964

Nature is healing… on 06:56 - Feb 12 by DanTheMan

Coconut milk and peanut butter next on the chopping block I hear.


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Nature is healing… on 11:46 - Feb 12 with 103 viewsunderspaces

Nature is healing… on 09:58 - Feb 12 by baxterbasics

I'm noticing that with every trip to the supermarket, there seems to be more and more 'alternative' and 'free from' products filling the shelves. Plant based, fake meats, fake milks, sugar-free sweeties and gluten free breads. More recently, products with added protein.

I get that some people need alternatives for health reasons. But there's no way there is this much demand (and the amount of these items I see in the "reduced" sections seems to confirm this). This is a push from above on the supply side. What it means is less room on the shelves for the traditional proper foods that most of us have been enjoying fine for generations.



Are you suggesting supermarkets would market products that aren't profitable for them? Latest data and trends suggests demand is growing for these products - especially plant based - even in non-vegans.

Loss leaders in supermarkets tend to be bread and milk, not plant-based New York-style pastrami... (which is very tasty by the way.)
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Nature is healing… on 12:01 - Feb 12 with 91 viewsEdwardStone

Nature is healing… on 08:00 - Feb 12 by MVBlue

Mystery to me how cows need to be pregnant to make milk... yet we produce so much.

But everyone wants the romantic notion of the bucket and hand milking udders. Instead of an endlessly impregnated cow being machine milked until no longer possible.

I drink milk, oat milk too. But know that its a sacrifice for all the poor cows.
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I live next door to an intensive dairy farm, milking herd of about 300 cows.

Poor things are kept indoors 24/7 for their entire lives, not allowed to wander around a lovely grassy meadow.

Life expectancy of a cow living a reasonable outdoor life with very moderate milking is circa 30 years

These poor beasts under barn arrest is about 4 years

Next-door-farmer is a lovely fella and a bit unhappy about the direction his industry has taken

But as he told me, " There are only 2 types of dairy farm.... intensive or bankrupt"
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Nature is healing… on 12:50 - Feb 12 with 44 viewsNedPlimpton

Nature is healing… on 09:58 - Feb 12 by baxterbasics

I'm noticing that with every trip to the supermarket, there seems to be more and more 'alternative' and 'free from' products filling the shelves. Plant based, fake meats, fake milks, sugar-free sweeties and gluten free breads. More recently, products with added protein.

I get that some people need alternatives for health reasons. But there's no way there is this much demand (and the amount of these items I see in the "reduced" sections seems to confirm this). This is a push from above on the supply side. What it means is less room on the shelves for the traditional proper foods that most of us have been enjoying fine for generations.



"But there's no way there is this much demand (and the amount of these items I see in the "reduced" sections seems to confirm this)"

Guess that depends where you live. In my local Tescos the reduced stuff is very rarely meat-free alternatives and more often than not it's ready meals, pork pies (which i'm snapping up straight away) and the more expensive "fresh" pizzas

As someone else has said, if "traditional proper foods" (whatever that means anyway) where more profitable and more in demand then supermarkets would give up more space to them
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