| The split in the far-right vote 04:10 - Feb 18 with 11535 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Great to see. Albeit Lowe on Twitter is disturbing.
Anyone on here willing to admit they would vote Restore? Makes Farage and his lot look moderate in comparison some of that nazi sh** coming from Lowe. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 16:18 - Feb 20 with 372 views | vapour_trail |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:15 - Feb 20 by NewcyBlue |
So what percentage of crossings would be acceptable to intercept?
Yes, it does happen. With aircraft used as spotters. It’s how migrant boats off Africa heading into the Atlantic get picked up.
It’s very difficult to spot dinghies and small craft in a seaway.
You don’t need more patrol boats, it’s drones and aircraft that will find the small craft and then the patrol boats can get to them.
Yes, migrants are taken on board the patrol boats, usually overloaded small craft, unseaworthy, where it would be dangerous to carry on the voyage.
More patrol boats won’t help. And there are already helicopters and drones above the English Channel checking the sulphur emissions from ships to make sure compliant fuel is being used. |
BF air spotters are used more for law enforcement than locating vessels, it’s about capturing images of wronguns. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 16:19 - Feb 20 with 365 views | vapour_trail |
| The split in the far-right vote on 15:54 - Feb 20 by chicoazul |
So they make every effort to avoid it but yes Chico you were right all along disembarking from vessel to vessel is possible and does happen and I’m sorry for calling you stupid. |
You are funny. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 16:21 - Feb 20 with 353 views | eireblue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:06 - Feb 20 by Herbivore |
Are you still trying to claim that something they avoid doing unless they absolutely have to, something which the one piece of evidence you've provided has said is unsafe and not something they should be doing, is in fact a practical and workable solution? Because if you are, that's not independent thinking, that's being a berk. |
Maybe we should do this. Let’s take Chico’s independently thought out idea, and do a bit of role play.
Let’s say I am a teenager in Afghanistan, me and my brother, decide top go to England, cause you know, I’ll get £6.50 a week, and beside my parents are dead.
So first I try and get out of Afghanistan. Taliban don’t actually like people doing this so you know they beat people up and kill them, unfortunately that happens to my brother, he dead.
Now Iranians seem to be shooting Afghan migrants on the border, a bit tricky, but only a few people get shot.
Luckily the next border, it’s a little way off, but in Turkey when they find you they tend to just break arms and legs and dump you back into Iran, so yea not so bad.
Turkey, is also quite large, but yep get a cross there and take a boat to Europe, it can be a bit choppy and some people don’t make it. Or get caught and sent back.
So Europe, not so bad, I am getting a bit peckish now, it has been 2 years since I left but now I am on a French beach, kinda hoping to get to the U.K., since my second cousin was trying to get there as well.
I am about to get in a dingy, and then, a clearly independent thinker, taps me on the shoulder and says, “mate, they put on another couple of boats, if they see you, and you get caught you’ll only have try again”
So will she get in the boat, or be deterred, what would a hungry 16 year old with nothing to lose do.
Be scared by Chico’s extra boats, and do what instead…?
You know, I really don’t think Chico means the same thing we do when he says independent thinker. |  | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:53 - Feb 20 with 284 views | chicoazul |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:06 - Feb 20 by Herbivore |
Are you still trying to claim that something they avoid doing unless they absolutely have to, something which the one piece of evidence you've provided has said is unsafe and not something they should be doing, is in fact a practical and workable solution? Because if you are, that's not independent thinking, that's being a berk. |
I’m saying what you and others say can’t be done, is done. [Post edited 20 Feb 16:54]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 20:16 - Feb 20 with 170 views | NewcyBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:18 - Feb 20 by vapour_trail |
BF air spotters are used more for law enforcement than locating vessels, it’s about capturing images of wronguns. |
They do assist, by spotting the migrant vessels they will the have more of a chance of finding the source of said vessel.
The point is, it’s not just patrol boats. I’ve taken part in SAR at sea, and without aircraft it’s damned difficult. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 20:18 - Feb 20 with 160 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 20:16 - Feb 20 by NewcyBlue |
They do assist, by spotting the migrant vessels they will the have more of a chance of finding the source of said vessel.
The point is, it’s not just patrol boats. I’ve taken part in SAR at sea, and without aircraft it’s damned difficult. |
Good to see you back on here newcy. How's the latest edition to the family getting on? |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 20:45 - Feb 20 with 123 views | NewcyBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 20:18 - Feb 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Good to see you back on here newcy. How's the latest edition to the family getting on? |
Hello mate, the bairn is weaning at the moment and she wants food! I’m back at sea so am missing all the fun! She’s an absolute unit!
How are you doing mate? | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 20:54 - Feb 20 with 93 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 20:45 - Feb 20 by NewcyBlue |
Hello mate, the bairn is weaning at the moment and she wants food! I’m back at sea so am missing all the fun! She’s an absolute unit!
How are you doing mate? |
All good up here mate. Keep us safe from those pirates. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 00:24 - Feb 21 with 3 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:04 - Feb 20 by lowhouseblue |
most of politics is about choices, priorities and managing conflicts. very little in politics comes down to true or false. opposing views are legitimately held.
yes, trump lies. he provably says things he knows to be false. but there are lots of things he says that people label as a lie when they really mean that they disagree with or reject what he has said. knowing the difference is really important.
knowing someone else's intention is highly subjective - it primarily reflects our pre-existing opinion of that person.
your "but both sides" is a distortion of what i'm saying. i'm not saying that individually and collectively (as electors etc) we don't have to come down on one side or the other - just that even when we have rejected the other side it doesn't make it illegitimate.
i guess we won't ever agree on this. fine. but being aware of our own subjectivity and rejecting absolutist approaches to truth and knowledge is pretty fundamental to a civilised society. the lack of that, as much as anything else, is at the core of our current divisiveness. |
Same old Lowhouse giving legitimacy to the far right and authoritarians.
Stokie, many have had these debates with him.
You are wasting your time.
In his world every viewpoint, however vile, dishonest and destructive must be accepted and is only subjectively wrong. |  | | |
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