| the poor away *form* myth 10:15 - Feb 26 with 4045 views | positivity |
we've got 6 wins and 20 points over the past 12 games. that's pretty much auto promotion form (if you assume we'd do even better at home, which we have (21 points from 9 in the same timeframe)
we had a very poor away *start*, but our form is solid. [Post edited 27 Feb 13:04]
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| the poor away form myth on 15:43 - Feb 26 with 894 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
We have played the top 6 sides and all the top half aside from Southampton away already too. |  |
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| the poor away form myth on 17:15 - Feb 26 with 844 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 14:10 - Feb 26 by positivity |
and doesn't end till may. what's your point?
it's away *form* that's being discussed, not overall away points performance! |
Away form is ok but its to move into the good or better category, we have lost 3 games on the road since Mid December. You can't afford 3-4 more before the end of the season.
That's what happens after you have a poor start and are playing catch up.
I hope that helps. [Post edited 26 Feb 17:16]
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| the poor away form myth on 17:24 - Feb 26 with 819 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 15:43 - Feb 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We have played the top 6 sides and all the top half aside from Southampton away already too. |
On paper a good thing but those when playing those scrapping at end of the season it's not always the case. Be really nice to get at least 4 points from Wednesday and Stoke though, could see us getting 6 potentially | |
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| the poor away form myth on 17:47 - Feb 26 with 786 views | positivity |
| the poor away form myth on 17:15 - Feb 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Away form is ok but its to move into the good or better category, we have lost 3 games on the road since Mid December. You can't afford 3-4 more before the end of the season.
That's what happens after you have a poor start and are playing catch up.
I hope that helps. [Post edited 26 Feb 17:16]
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so you agree that our away form isn't poor, got there in the end!
if we repeat our last 7 game away form and our last 7 home game form, we end on 86, should be enough.
as others have said the relative difficulty of the games should flip, so we're more likely to continue to improve our away form, maintaining the home form may be tougher | |
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| the poor away form myth on 17:49 - Feb 26 with 778 views | NthQldITFC |
| the poor away form myth on 10:40 - Feb 26 by ReusersTown |
Very good point. Though does mean we've underperformed elsewhere. [Post edited 26 Feb 10:41]
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| the poor away form myth on 17:51 - Feb 26 with 774 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 17:47 - Feb 26 by positivity |
so you agree that our away form isn't poor, got there in the end!
if we repeat our last 7 game away form and our last 7 home game form, we end on 86, should be enough.
as others have said the relative difficulty of the games should flip, so we're more likely to continue to improve our away form, maintaining the home form may be tougher |
Over the course of the entire season to date, it's poor for a team with aspirations of the top 2, that's the difference.
We have already lost more games away form home than we did home and away combined in 2024, so for a year 1 parachute club, it's certainly not very good.
However, we have the chance to make it good enough.
Hope this helps (again!). [Post edited 26 Feb 17:54]
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| the poor away form myth on 18:06 - Feb 26 with 738 views | positivity |
| the poor away form myth on 17:51 - Feb 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Over the course of the entire season to date, it's poor for a team with aspirations of the top 2, that's the difference.
We have already lost more games away form home than we did home and away combined in 2024, so for a year 1 parachute club, it's certainly not very good.
However, we have the chance to make it good enough.
Hope this helps (again!). [Post edited 26 Feb 17:54]
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again, you need to read the thread title!
*form*!
diverting down your whole season diversion: seeing as you mention year one parachute teams; we're ahead of both soton and leicester, so by that metric we're actually doing very well | |
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| the poor away form myth on 18:21 - Feb 26 with 717 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 18:06 - Feb 26 by positivity |
again, you need to read the thread title!
*form*!
diverting down your whole season diversion: seeing as you mention year one parachute teams; we're ahead of both soton and leicester, so by that metric we're actually doing very well |
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| the poor away form myth on 18:29 - Feb 26 with 707 views | positivity |
i am, if you're unable to comprehend simple language, think you've been exposed to too much trump "alternative truth"!
if you're not able to contribute to the "poor away form myth" thread, maybe you could start one called "sub-optimal year one parachute team away season so far issue"? | |
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| the poor away form myth on 18:51 - Feb 26 with 688 views | armchaircritic59 |
| the poor away form myth on 11:10 - Feb 26 by bluefunk |
You miscalculated the lengths some Town fans will go to to paint a negative picture. I know of one fan who has booked a holiday the week of the potential play off games because he thinks we won’t even make the play offs, as Norwich, Southampton and Sheffield Utd will all overtake us [Post edited 26 Feb 11:10]
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He'd have got some very tasty price quotes if he'd approached some bookmakers! | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 19:08 - Feb 26 with 671 views | sohamblue74 |
| the poor away form myth on 12:49 - Feb 26 by DarkBrandon |
I know you can prove anything with facts, but our remaining seven away games are:
Saints (7th)
Stoke (13)
Norwich (17)
Charlton (18)
Portsmouth (19)
WBA (21)
Sheff Wed (24)
That's obviously heavily weighted to the lower end of the table, so you'd expect us to do better in the final chunk of the season than we have up to now.
Possibly you'd expect our home form to tail off similarly with the teams currently second, third and fifth still to visit PR. |
We have to be expecting wins in 5 of those 7 surely?
Sheff Weds has to be close to a gimme, given their season to date.
Wins at Saints or Nodge would be a big bonus.
Baggies away and QPR at home feels like a pretty winnable pair of games to finish with. | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 19:20 - Feb 26 with 662 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
its not a myth is it, its fact, as pointed out on this thread.
the away form has to be looked at across a season, for the full picture. its possible to focus in on a smaller section of games to give more of a view of where we are at this moment of time too.
both are ok to do. but you are judged ultimately over a season [Post edited 26 Feb 19:22]
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| the poor away form myth on 19:20 - Feb 26 with 660 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 18:29 - Feb 26 by positivity |
i am, if you're unable to comprehend simple language, think you've been exposed to too much trump "alternative truth"!
if you're not able to contribute to the "poor away form myth" thread, maybe you could start one called "sub-optimal year one parachute team away season so far issue"? |
You're right, you've really schooled me with your intellectual ability, just like with your comments on our striker situation before the season. You're clearly a football genius, so much so you're randomly having to mention something about America. | |
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| the poor away form myth on 20:13 - Feb 26 with 615 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| the poor away form myth on 19:20 - Feb 26 by ashtonscoffeecup |
its not a myth is it, its fact, as pointed out on this thread.
the away form has to be looked at across a season, for the full picture. its possible to focus in on a smaller section of games to give more of a view of where we are at this moment of time too.
both are ok to do. but you are judged ultimately over a season [Post edited 26 Feb 19:22]
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” the away form has to be looked at across a season”
I wasn’t going to comment on this silly to and fro, but it’s getting to the point where people are beating up on the OP by redefining what a phrase or term means.
In sport, form refers to the current, short-term performance level of an athlete or team, based on recent results (e.g., last 5–10 games).
I tend to think that 10 games offers a better trend analysis, as it smooths out one-off blips, but form certainly doesn’t refer to an entire season. Sure, the sustained performance over the entire season is critical, and determines success or not, but it’s not ‘form’, and that is what this thread was started to discuss | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 20:30 - Feb 26 with 591 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| the poor away form myth on 20:13 - Feb 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
” the away form has to be looked at across a season”
I wasn’t going to comment on this silly to and fro, but it’s getting to the point where people are beating up on the OP by redefining what a phrase or term means.
In sport, form refers to the current, short-term performance level of an athlete or team, based on recent results (e.g., last 5–10 games).
I tend to think that 10 games offers a better trend analysis, as it smooths out one-off blips, but form certainly doesn’t refer to an entire season. Sure, the sustained performance over the entire season is critical, and determines success or not, but it’s not ‘form’, and that is what this thread was started to discuss |
i think we pretty much agree on this.
part of my post says very similar "its possible to focus in on a smaller section of games to give more of a view of where we are at this moment of time too."
In my line of work i analyse service outages, would be stupid to say that the company is failing based on something that was happening 6months ago, when more recently things look alight brighter and in a better position.
but when a season is decided over a 46 games period you have to also consider what happened across all those games | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 20:35 - Feb 26 with 586 views | ITFC_History |
| the poor away form myth on 15:14 - Feb 26 by positivity |
plenty have said it's poor, seem to be pop up every time we fail to win an away game! |
If we win our away game in hand we jump to 6th best away record.
But Hull have the best away record in the Championship for me. We should not take that game lightly.
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| the poor away form myth on 22:04 - Feb 26 with 523 views | Vaughan8 |
| the poor away form myth on 20:13 - Feb 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
” the away form has to be looked at across a season”
I wasn’t going to comment on this silly to and fro, but it’s getting to the point where people are beating up on the OP by redefining what a phrase or term means.
In sport, form refers to the current, short-term performance level of an athlete or team, based on recent results (e.g., last 5–10 games).
I tend to think that 10 games offers a better trend analysis, as it smooths out one-off blips, but form certainly doesn’t refer to an entire season. Sure, the sustained performance over the entire season is critical, and determines success or not, but it’s not ‘form’, and that is what this thread was started to discuss |
The form in this case is over 12 games.
We've only had 16 away games all season. so to say **form** is 3/4rds of te season is a bit odd. if it was over say 6 games then maybe form is correct. | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 22:15 - Feb 26 with 507 views | positivity |
| the poor away form myth on 19:20 - Feb 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're right, you've really schooled me with your intellectual ability, just like with your comments on our striker situation before the season. You're clearly a football genius, so much so you're randomly having to mention something about America. |
i guess english is your second language now, looking forward to your thread! | |
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| the poor away form myth on 22:20 - Feb 26 with 493 views | positivity |
| the poor away form myth on 22:04 - Feb 26 by Vaughan8 |
The form in this case is over 12 games.
We've only had 16 away games all season. so to say **form** is 3/4rds of te season is a bit odd. if it was over say 6 games then maybe form is correct. |
yeah, the 12 games is my fault, i considered 3, 5 and 6, but i thought people would moan that it was too small a sample size!
anyhoo, short term form isn't poor, mid term form isn't poor and long term form isn't poor (unless someone wants to further stretch the definition of form to include the previous year too!) | |
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| the poor away form myth on 23:59 - Feb 26 with 427 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| the poor away form myth on 22:20 - Feb 26 by positivity |
yeah, the 12 games is my fault, i considered 3, 5 and 6, but i thought people would moan that it was too small a sample size!
anyhoo, short term form isn't poor, mid term form isn't poor and long term form isn't poor (unless someone wants to further stretch the definition of form to include the previous year too!) |
long term away form (as in the entire season so far) has a PPG of 1.3 i believe, thats pretty poor for a team pushing for top 2, isnt it? its not even a question really, 1.3 PPG is poor | | | |
| the poor away form myth on 06:30 - Feb 27 with 379 views | Blue_Heath |
| the poor away form myth on 10:51 - Feb 26 by HighgateBlue |
I don't think it's a myth, I think that we got a good result against Watford and that made a substantial difference to the numbers. I don't think there have been any assertions following Watford that our away form (i.e. recent away record) is poor.
It depends what one counts as 'form', but prior to Watford, looking at away records over the whole season, ours was worse than Norwich's, and that is poor.
Looking at the season as a whole /now/, we've moved ahead of Norwich on PPG, but are still only 8th, compared with 2nd on home form alone. So clearly there's a big disparity there.
If you just look at the last 6 home games and last 6 away games, we're clear at the top on the former and 6th on the latter if you order it by points then goal difference (same points as Brum in 7th). Again a disparity between home and away form.
Post-Watford, the recent away form is 10 points from 6 games, which I think is OK, especially given that there were no gimmes in there.
The Wrexham away game in the cup is also part of the picture though, and that's another one we lost, so I think before Watford people were entitled to scratch their heads a little and wonder why we were doing so much worse away from home. |
We are 2nd for home form across the season and 9th for away form, remarkably 1 point behind that lot but with a game played less. If we win our game in hand that would put us 6th.
Given that we are going for top two the away form isn't good enough with 1.38 PPG v 2.19 at home.
Cov have 1.61 PPG away we really need 1.5 as a minimum meaning we need to get 1.79 PPG at least from the remaining away games whilst maintaining home form. | |
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| the poor away form myth on 06:37 - Feb 27 with 376 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| the poor away form myth on 23:59 - Feb 26 by ashtonscoffeecup |
long term away form (as in the entire season so far) has a PPG of 1.3 i believe, thats pretty poor for a team pushing for top 2, isnt it? its not even a question really, 1.3 PPG is poor |
FFS, how many times do you have to be told there's no such thing as "long term form"?
Have some of you not heard the phrase, "Form is temporary..."?!
Once again the nappy crappers want to take the worst possible view so they can be negative. We couldn't do anything about the players we didn't have in in the first month and a bit, and no revamped team clicks immediately because this is real life not a computer game.
There is literally no point talking about the early season form. How the form's tracking now is all that's important. |  |
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| the poor away form myth on 11:21 - Feb 27 with 281 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 06:30 - Feb 27 by Blue_Heath |
We are 2nd for home form across the season and 9th for away form, remarkably 1 point behind that lot but with a game played less. If we win our game in hand that would put us 6th.
Given that we are going for top two the away form isn't good enough with 1.38 PPG v 2.19 at home.
Cov have 1.61 PPG away we really need 1.5 as a minimum meaning we need to get 1.79 PPG at least from the remaining away games whilst maintaining home form. |
Going into Tuesday night we had won TWO away league games in NINE.
That very much after the window closed etc. It’s clearly not been promotion form which is all that this season will be judged on. Hopefully after Tuesday we can kick on a bit now. | |
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| the poor away form myth on 11:24 - Feb 27 with 267 views | positivity |
| the poor away form myth on 11:21 - Feb 27 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Going into Tuesday night we had won TWO away league games in NINE.
That very much after the window closed etc. It’s clearly not been promotion form which is all that this season will be judged on. Hopefully after Tuesday we can kick on a bit now. |
going out of tuesday we had won TWO away league game in THREE, is that clearly promotion form for you? | |
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| the poor away form myth on 11:35 - Feb 27 with 254 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| the poor away form myth on 11:24 - Feb 27 by positivity |
going out of tuesday we had won TWO away league game in THREE, is that clearly promotion form for you? |
You can’t start a thread about something being a “myth”, be proven incorrect and then keep moving the goalposts. Well I guess you can but it makes the entire argument look a bit stupid.
“anyhoo, short term form isn't poor, mid term form isn't poor and long term form isn't poor”
That’s not true.
Just say we’ve had a couple of good wins this month, it’s much easier. Our away form has been pretty poor for a promotion chasing team. I’m sure it now has a chance to get better at the business end of the season.
Pointless thread hopefully over. [Post edited 27 Feb 11:42]
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