| Soft Penalty-Yes 22:01 - Mar 10 with 1375 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Poor defending-Absolutely.
CLEAR THE BALL. [Post edited 10 Mar 22:02]
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:03 - Mar 10 with 1194 views | belgablue |
Kind of my thinking - the ball shouldn't have been anywhere near the box. |  |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:07 - Mar 10 with 1144 views | Herbivore |
Agree that Furlong should be launching that but it's not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his fecking job. That's never a pen. It's much less of a foul than the one on Azon that led to their first goal. Less of a foul than a whole host of decisions he didn't give our way throughout the game. He was low-key terrible all game, a proper homer, until sadly he had the opportunity to be centre stage terrible.
So yes, we should have defended that better but we've been on the receiving end of a number of penalties either given or not given at the death and they've cost us 6 vital points. [Post edited 10 Mar 22:18]
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:09 - Mar 10 with 1083 views | grow_our_own |
"less of a foul than the one on Azon that led to their first goal" - agreed. I thought the bar was usually higher in the box? According to Thomas Kirk, it's lower. |  | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:10 - Mar 10 with 1055 views | Parky |
Spot on, game management is not our strong point.
Kipre has cleared the ball with a minute to go, but decides to sprint into midfield, chasing after his own ball and then half heartedly goes down. If he was in his normal position he would’ve been goal-side of the striker and no need for that contact to give a pen. | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:16 - Mar 10 with 1001 views | grow_our_own |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:10 - Mar 10 by Parky |
Spot on, game management is not our strong point.
Kipre has cleared the ball with a minute to go, but decides to sprint into midfield, chasing after his own ball and then half heartedly goes down. If he was in his normal position he would’ve been goal-side of the striker and no need for that contact to give a pen. |
Kipre was desperately trying to clear-up a horribly sliced attempted clearance from Davis. Much less at fault for pen than Furlong and Leif. | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:18 - Mar 10 with 945 views | Ace_High1 |
Shocking play from us.
Not the refs fault we can’t defend.
We made Stoke look like Real Madrid they could have scored 5 or 6 tonight. We are so poor at the back. |  | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:24 - Mar 10 with 888 views | Parky |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:16 - Mar 10 by grow_our_own |
Kipre was desperately trying to clear-up a horribly sliced attempted clearance from Davis. Much less at fault for pen than Furlong and Leif. |
I’m pretty sure it was Kipre that cleared it and he then ran after it himself. - There was absolutely no need for him, with a minute to go, to chase the ball that high up the pitch by the touchline. | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:26 - Mar 10 with 866 views | Rozz |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:24 - Mar 10 by Parky |
I’m pretty sure it was Kipre that cleared it and he then ran after it himself. - There was absolutely no need for him, with a minute to go, to chase the ball that high up the pitch by the touchline. |
Davis spooned it, Kipre got the following header and followed to try and get on the end of his own header IIRC. |  | | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:27 - Mar 10 with 826 views | MaySixth |
Furlong FFS |  |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:30 - Mar 10 with 808 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:27 - Mar 10 by MaySixth |
Furlong FFS |
For a pro footballer, it's outrageously bad. Mcateer just letting it drift over his head as well.
We consistently hurt ourselves. | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:30 - Mar 10 with 806 views | FrimleyBlue |
Love the fact that the ref is seen as the man who cost us 3 points
Not the first half performance
Not the absolute state of the clearances by players
Not the ridiculous hirst hoof over the bar
But the ref because he judged a foul was made in our penalty area deep inside injury time at stoke when we were defending incredibly awkwardly making it an easy decision for the ref as we looked clumsy.
Soft penalty. Sure
Dont give the ref a reason to blow.
Simple as that.
And if he does blow.. ensure its not a time where it costs you
Hence the 93 minutes before that. Not just the 2nd half are important |  |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:31 - Mar 10 with 800 views | pointofblue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:30 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Love the fact that the ref is seen as the man who cost us 3 points
Not the first half performance
Not the absolute state of the clearances by players
Not the ridiculous hirst hoof over the bar
But the ref because he judged a foul was made in our penalty area deep inside injury time at stoke when we were defending incredibly awkwardly making it an easy decision for the ref as we looked clumsy.
Soft penalty. Sure
Dont give the ref a reason to blow.
Simple as that.
And if he does blow.. ensure its not a time where it costs you
Hence the 93 minutes before that. Not just the 2nd half are important |
Careful - you'll be called all sorts for this. Even though IMO you're right. But I'm still fuming at the ref as well. | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:31 - Mar 10 with 725 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:07 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Agree that Furlong should be launching that but it's not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his fecking job. That's never a pen. It's much less of a foul than the one on Azon that led to their first goal. Less of a foul than a whole host of decisions he didn't give our way throughout the game. He was low-key terrible all game, a proper homer, until sadly he had the opportunity to be centre stage terrible.
So yes, we should have defended that better but we've been on the receiving end of a number of penalties either given or not given at the death and they've cost us 6 vital points. [Post edited 10 Mar 22:18]
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Oh absolutely he should have done his job better. I cannot believe he was so quick to give that given the minimal contact.
It just never should have gotten there and that is what frustrates me | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:33 - Mar 10 with 717 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:10 - Mar 10 by Parky |
Spot on, game management is not our strong point.
Kipre has cleared the ball with a minute to go, but decides to sprint into midfield, chasing after his own ball and then half heartedly goes down. If he was in his normal position he would’ve been goal-side of the striker and no need for that contact to give a pen. |
Game management late in the game has been a pretty strong point for us this season though, think the stats back that up. We were superb for 4 of those 5 added minutes but just inexplicably bad play when it mattered which I didn't see coming. The sliced clearances, inability to get first contact in the box, even Hirst not going to the corner or doing something smarter.
really disappointing because we have been better than that. | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:44 - Mar 10 with 662 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:07 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Agree that Furlong should be launching that but it's not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his fecking job. That's never a pen. It's much less of a foul than the one on Azon that led to their first goal. Less of a foul than a whole host of decisions he didn't give our way throughout the game. He was low-key terrible all game, a proper homer, until sadly he had the opportunity to be centre stage terrible.
So yes, we should have defended that better but we've been on the receiving end of a number of penalties either given or not given at the death and they've cost us 6 vital points. [Post edited 10 Mar 22:18]
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This is though why ref support groups get mad
Its not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his job
Its also not unreasonable to expect the defenders to clear the ball as you mention
One of the above will be spoken about more than the other | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:47 - Mar 10 with 656 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:30 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Love the fact that the ref is seen as the man who cost us 3 points
Not the first half performance
Not the absolute state of the clearances by players
Not the ridiculous hirst hoof over the bar
But the ref because he judged a foul was made in our penalty area deep inside injury time at stoke when we were defending incredibly awkwardly making it an easy decision for the ref as we looked clumsy.
Soft penalty. Sure
Dont give the ref a reason to blow.
Simple as that.
And if he does blow.. ensure its not a time where it costs you
Hence the 93 minutes before that. Not just the 2nd half are important |
Can it not be both? (Which is where my head is right now). | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:47 - Mar 10 with 655 views | pointofblue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:44 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
This is though why ref support groups get mad
Its not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his job
Its also not unreasonable to expect the defenders to clear the ball as you mention
One of the above will be spoken about more than the other |
I was going to say, the difference is the players actively have someone trying to stop them from doing their job. But it could be argued both teams sometimes try and prevent the referee from doing his effectively. | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:55 - Mar 10 with 637 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I watched it back after knowing the score so had a bit less emotion in it than those I watched it live I suspect. It was appalling game management, Stoke (who were down to their bare bones as a squad and without their best player by the way) were in no way knocking the door down.
It’s a fragility I’ve seen we have in us and there is surely a reason we haven’t overturned conceding the first goal once in 15 games this season. Just really poor not to see that out. |  |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:58 - Mar 10 with 624 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:47 - Mar 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Can it not be both? (Which is where my head is right now). |
It can almost be both I guess. but you minimise the effect of a poor ref decision by being better yourself during the match
We go into final 5 minutes 2-0 for example. They get a dodgy pen. 2 -1 but weve won
The first half meant we had a massive hill to climb. We did that. Got in front but our own decisions put us in a position of allowing the ref to give stoke an opportunity to get level.
The ref didnt cost us 3 points. We did. We simply didnt turn up from kickoff | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 00:04 - Mar 11 with 590 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:58 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
It can almost be both I guess. but you minimise the effect of a poor ref decision by being better yourself during the match
We go into final 5 minutes 2-0 for example. They get a dodgy pen. 2 -1 but weve won
The first half meant we had a massive hill to climb. We did that. Got in front but our own decisions put us in a position of allowing the ref to give stoke an opportunity to get level.
The ref didnt cost us 3 points. We did. We simply didnt turn up from kickoff |
We’ve conceded 8 goals in the last two away games! Every single one of them were awful from our point of view. It’s obviously no way near good enough for our aspirations. [Post edited 11 Mar 0:15]
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 00:05 - Mar 11 with 587 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:58 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
It can almost be both I guess. but you minimise the effect of a poor ref decision by being better yourself during the match
We go into final 5 minutes 2-0 for example. They get a dodgy pen. 2 -1 but weve won
The first half meant we had a massive hill to climb. We did that. Got in front but our own decisions put us in a position of allowing the ref to give stoke an opportunity to get level.
The ref didnt cost us 3 points. We did. We simply didnt turn up from kickoff |
Maybe. I still say the game turns on the first goal, which is potentially the wrong decision (reference my comments in another post about how Furlong ended up out of play). | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 00:16 - Mar 11 with 532 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:07 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
Agree that Furlong should be launching that but it's not unreasonable to expect the ref to do his fecking job. That's never a pen. It's much less of a foul than the one on Azon that led to their first goal. Less of a foul than a whole host of decisions he didn't give our way throughout the game. He was low-key terrible all game, a proper homer, until sadly he had the opportunity to be centre stage terrible.
So yes, we should have defended that better but we've been on the receiving end of a number of penalties either given or not given at the death and they've cost us 6 vital points. [Post edited 10 Mar 22:18]
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The refs clearly don’t do their job so we need to do ours, ugh. | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 07:59 - Mar 11 with 374 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 22:26 - Mar 10 by Rozz |
Davis spooned it, Kipre got the following header and followed to try and get on the end of his own header IIRC. |
Davis should have been replaced by Greaves earlier in the half. He was really struggling to move at that point. | | | |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 08:07 - Mar 11 with 355 views | Herbivore |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 23:58 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
It can almost be both I guess. but you minimise the effect of a poor ref decision by being better yourself during the match
We go into final 5 minutes 2-0 for example. They get a dodgy pen. 2 -1 but weve won
The first half meant we had a massive hill to climb. We did that. Got in front but our own decisions put us in a position of allowing the ref to give stoke an opportunity to get level.
The ref didnt cost us 3 points. We did. We simply didnt turn up from kickoff |
The ref cost us two points by giving them a penalty that wasn't a penalty in the last minute of stoppage time. Yes if we'd been winning by more goals it wouldn't have mattered and we can all pick the bones out of what was a very poor first half and very poor last 5 minutes (though they didn't exactly threaten in that time) but if the ref does his job then we come away with three points instead of one. People seem to think that if you blame the ref you're excusing the players but it is possible to think that both (a) we were absolute shit in the first half and didn't manage the game well and (b) despite that we would have held out and won the game if the ref showed basic competence. Suggesting the ref doesn't beer any responsibility for the result is just as daft as saying the players don't, and I've not seen anyone claiming the players managed the end of the game well or played well first half. | |
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| Soft Penalty-Yes on 08:24 - Mar 11 with 317 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Soft Penalty-Yes on 08:07 - Mar 11 by Herbivore |
The ref cost us two points by giving them a penalty that wasn't a penalty in the last minute of stoppage time. Yes if we'd been winning by more goals it wouldn't have mattered and we can all pick the bones out of what was a very poor first half and very poor last 5 minutes (though they didn't exactly threaten in that time) but if the ref does his job then we come away with three points instead of one. People seem to think that if you blame the ref you're excusing the players but it is possible to think that both (a) we were absolute shit in the first half and didn't manage the game well and (b) despite that we would have held out and won the game if the ref showed basic competence. Suggesting the ref doesn't beer any responsibility for the result is just as daft as saying the players don't, and I've not seen anyone claiming the players managed the end of the game well or played well first half. |
If you're blaming and specifically saying the ref for costs us 2 points then yes youre literally blaming the ref for costing you 2 points.
If you believe its a mix of a poor town performance and a bad ref decision then theres no single blame to the ref himself for costing 2 points. It would just be described as a poor decision ontop of a poor town performance. | |
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