| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response 10:09 - Mar 16 with 3561 views | FrimleyBlue |
He says we were only allowed to respond by paper
Has the write ups of his interview by both twtd and eadt missed out any further words of ashtons?
Even if Davis plead guilty to the charge.. the club when responding has to waive the right to a personal hearing for it to be dealt with via paper, yet ashtons made it out like we didn't get the opportunity to represent Davis in person.
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:37 - Mar 16 with 611 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:18 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I just listened to the McKenna interview on KOA when walking my dog and he said that Busby had re-refereed the game by video and reported the Davis incident to the EFL.
After turning down two blatant penalties in our favour, one in the last seconds of the game, I'm amazed he had the fcukin brass neck to do that.
I had assumed the EFL had seen the footage independently.. [Post edited 16 Mar 21:18]
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Some dodgy sht going on there. | |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:45 - Mar 16 with 589 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:37 - Mar 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Some dodgy sht going on there. |
I remember being at the Etihad and St James Park last season joining in chants of "Premier League, corrupt as fcuk". Now we have this.
It seems like both divisions want to keep their big clubs in it. So we are fcuked either way. |  |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 07:58 - Mar 17 with 493 views | Steve_M |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:18 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I just listened to the McKenna interview on KOA when walking my dog and he said that Busby had re-refereed the game by video and reported the Davis incident to the EFL.
After turning down two blatant penalties in our favour, one in the last seconds of the game, I'm amazed he had the fcukin brass neck to do that.
I had assumed the EFL had seen the footage independently.. [Post edited 16 Mar 21:18]
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If the Leicester played claimed a hair pull then there's enough reason for Busby to want to go back and look at that incident again. What I can't see is how the main camera angle provides enough evidence to make that case.
Although sensible people on here, and elsewhere, saw it clearly at the time so there isn't much doubt that Leif did pull his hair but how much of that was captured on the available video.
Busby's attitude was summed up by his flashing around the yellow card at the end of the game, the sort of prick not prepared to concede he had got a big decision wrong. |  |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:06 - Mar 17 with 483 views | Plums |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 07:58 - Mar 17 by Steve_M |
If the Leicester played claimed a hair pull then there's enough reason for Busby to want to go back and look at that incident again. What I can't see is how the main camera angle provides enough evidence to make that case.
Although sensible people on here, and elsewhere, saw it clearly at the time so there isn't much doubt that Leif did pull his hair but how much of that was captured on the available video.
Busby's attitude was summed up by his flashing around the yellow card at the end of the game, the sort of prick not prepared to concede he had got a big decision wrong. |
I imagine there is audio of the AR and the ref saying 'something has gone on there but I didn't see it'. That will presumably be enough for a post-match review to make up the report. However it's unclear what footage they've used to issue such a heavy charge.
Very odd indeed. |  |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:16 - Mar 17 with 466 views | Herbivore |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:18 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I just listened to the McKenna interview on KOA when walking my dog and he said that Busby had re-refereed the game by video and reported the Davis incident to the EFL.
After turning down two blatant penalties in our favour, one in the last seconds of the game, I'm amazed he had the fcukin brass neck to do that.
I had assumed the EFL had seen the footage independently.. [Post edited 16 Mar 21:18]
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If that is what happened he should never be allowed to referee us again. |  |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:25 - Mar 17 with 452 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:16 - Mar 17 by Herbivore |
If that is what happened he should never be allowed to referee us again. |
Just listened to that section again. He doesn’t say re refereed but re-views.
“So for it to be one of the few cases in the history of the EFL or the Premier League where a referee re-views the game on video and picks out that incident and reports it for violent conduct, I think is, yeah, I thought it was an amazing decision. We're obviously really disappointed with it.” | |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:47 - Mar 17 with 413 views | oldbeardy |
The whole thing's a mess. But if it's true that Leif pulled his hair - and a number of Town fans on here saw it and say he did - then he deserves the punishment. What a pathetic thing for a professional to do. It's his own fault. Stop hiding behind the ridiculous process (which clearly does need looking at) and address the substance of his stupid behaviour. He accepted his guilt and I wouldn't have thought that was just for the push. |  | | |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:55 - Mar 17 with 377 views | BseaBlue |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:47 - Mar 17 by oldbeardy |
The whole thing's a mess. But if it's true that Leif pulled his hair - and a number of Town fans on here saw it and say he did - then he deserves the punishment. What a pathetic thing for a professional to do. It's his own fault. Stop hiding behind the ridiculous process (which clearly does need looking at) and address the substance of his stupid behaviour. He accepted his guilt and I wouldn't have thought that was just for the push. |
The point is though that he didn't see it in the first instance and it isn't clear in any of the footage so the referee has guessed it is correct.
That leaves us in a poor position because we cannot prove that he didn't do it. Once the referee includes that in his report it is taken for golden. If we then appeal and fail, I believe he could get an extra game which I am sure we wanted to avoid. |  | | |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 11:36 - Mar 17 with 273 views | SitfcB |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:47 - Mar 17 by oldbeardy |
The whole thing's a mess. But if it's true that Leif pulled his hair - and a number of Town fans on here saw it and say he did - then he deserves the punishment. What a pathetic thing for a professional to do. It's his own fault. Stop hiding behind the ridiculous process (which clearly does need looking at) and address the substance of his stupid behaviour. He accepted his guilt and I wouldn't have thought that was just for the push. |
I tend to take our managers opinion and what he says over what some of our fans say. |  |
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| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 11:43 - Mar 17 with 258 views | HighgateBlue |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 21:18 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I just listened to the McKenna interview on KOA when walking my dog and he said that Busby had re-refereed the game by video and reported the Davis incident to the EFL.
After turning down two blatant penalties in our favour, one in the last seconds of the game, I'm amazed he had the fcukin brass neck to do that.
I had assumed the EFL had seen the footage independently.. [Post edited 16 Mar 21:18]
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i agree with the vast majority that this decision is BS, and adds insult to injury to unfairness, coming on the back of several other really poor calls against us in the penalty box of late.
However, as regards the chronology and procedure of what happened with the charge, the plea, the decision, the representations or submissions made. There seem to be conflicting reports and a lack of clarity. I don't understand why a clear statement is not up on the EFL website so that at least we all know what we are criticising. Otherwise there's a vacuum, and all sorts of conspiracies are invented, often against the wrong individuals or institutions.
But yeah, this decision was an outrage any which way. |  | | |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 15:34 - Mar 17 with 201 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 08:47 - Mar 17 by oldbeardy |
The whole thing's a mess. But if it's true that Leif pulled his hair - and a number of Town fans on here saw it and say he did - then he deserves the punishment. What a pathetic thing for a professional to do. It's his own fault. Stop hiding behind the ridiculous process (which clearly does need looking at) and address the substance of his stupid behaviour. He accepted his guilt and I wouldn't have thought that was just for the push. |
And many have also said that what they saw (and the videos appear to support this) was Leif reaching behind him, not looking at the player, reaching to gauge where the player was / grab their shirt as an anchor.
This happens all the time at corners / free kicks into the box, and whatever we might think of shirt-holding, it's part of the game now, and if nothing more than holding on as an anchor, is rarely punished. The suggestion was that Leif accidentally held their hair thinking it was their shirt, and it was very brief.
Dismissing this alternative view, and calling it pathetic, is a bit off without seeing the reasons for the ruling, and maybe having an opportunity to see the video that supports the committees conclusion.
The lack of transparency here is in itself deafening, and undermines the entire process. I'm certainly not going to be criticising one of our best, and fairest players without seeing some solid evidence that what he did was premeditated or deliberate. Until then I reserve judgement, but certainly feel that the process stinks from what we currently understand. | | | |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 17:54 - Mar 17 with 139 views | OldFart71 |
| The Davis Charge and Ashtons response on 11:40 - Mar 16 by Pinewoodblue |
If a player admits a charge they can ask that it be dealt with without the need for the player to attend. Either Davis made such a request or EFL broke their own rules.
If the club appeal and pay the appropriate fee to cover the cost an appeal hearing, the punishment applied should be suspended. Either we didn’t follow appeal proceedings, or the EFL , or the club decided not ask for suspension of the ban because it would have meant, if judgement upheld, Davis not being available for Norwich game.
It seems strange you can be refused an opportunity to submit video evidence. |
Crazy if the reason for the suspension was based on video evidence. | | | |
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