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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:06 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
What do you believe then? That Farage was officially invited by the club? I keep making the same point to you over and over but you seem not to want to listen.
Phil shouldn't have to defend himself. Or be goaded into defending the club by others.
TWTD reports the news, and does it really rather well.
If people want headlines at all, they need to understand that headlines necessarily cannot contain all of the granular detail of the story. The story makes clear (a) what the club is saying, and (b) that the headline reflects what the club is saying. The fans are well served.
Fans can then assert that the club was naive, or is lying, or whatever take they want to spin.
But please people, the club may have stuffed up to a large or small extent, but don't attack Phil and TWTD for simply reporting the news.
My humble opinion is that TWTD News should neither be a petrie dish for conspiracy theories nor unthinking tail-wagging toadies. Reporting the club's line avoids the former, and Phil explaining his process, and indeed making some mild criticism of the club's lack of commonsense, avoids the latter.
In the days of Sky Sports News 24 hour coverage this TWTD news gig was hard enough. But having to react to twitter stories quickly enough to fill a vacuum but carefully enough not to encourage people to lob stones is such a hard thing to get right all of the time that people really really need to think before making any criticism (of this FREE service) even if Phil /had/ screwed up. Which he hasn't and frankly never seems to!
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:51 - Mar 24 with 756 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:30 - Mar 24 by RKD
I too feel like my point is falling on deaf ears.
What I think happened is that ReformUK made a booking off their own backs, and the club not only accepted the booking, but gave him and his team favourable treatment that other paying customers, including lifelong fans of the club, were explicitly told they couldn’t do.
I think a senior member of the Ipswich Town Football Club staff welcomed Farage and his team, and allowed and permitted ReformUK to use the club’s stadium, brand and logo as marketing to promote and endorse their party and policies.
The extensive access, special treatment, and silence from the club makes it hard for me to fathom that there was no official involvement from the club.
I would define all of the below as official involvement: - Accepted a booking in full knowledge that it was for ReformUK and Nigel Farage - Liaised with ReformUK regarding security measures and facilitation - Had a senior member of the club personally greet him - Hosted the booking with the knowledge that ReformUK were using this to promote their party - Gave ReformUK privileges that supporters were prohibited from
That’s why I so ardently reject the notion that the club didn’t have official involvement, and I don’t think it’s a debate on semantics.
Well, the first point you make is, as I understand the situation and as others have also reported, wrong, for starters. The club didn't know it was Reform when the booking was made, it was under a name unconnected and they only later discovered that to be the case. At which point they made the decision to allow it to continue and to allow the media access they evidently gave.
Clearly that was an error and I've no idea why they would think it would do anything other than blow up in their face in the manner it has. But the intention was never to stage an official event or give any official support to Reform, which was what I reported.
I think the feeling was that if they stopped it it would be viewed as a political action on their part and it would lead to an issue with Reform calling foul that they had been banned and that doing so would lead to a social media furore, although I would have guessed one rather smaller than the one which they find themselves embroiled in now.
I do think you've spent rather more time having a pop at me rather than on the issue as it actually is.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:00 - Mar 24 with 709 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:51 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
Well, the first point you make is, as I understand the situation and as others have also reported, wrong, for starters. The club didn't know it was Reform when the booking was made, it was under a name unconnected and they only later discovered that to be the case. At which point they made the decision to allow it to continue and to allow the media access they evidently gave.
Clearly that was an error and I've no idea why they would think it would do anything other than blow up in their face in the manner it has. But the intention was never to stage an official event or give any official support to Reform, which was what I reported.
I think the feeling was that if they stopped it it would be viewed as a political action on their part and it would lead to an issue with Reform calling foul that they had been banned and that doing so would lead to a social media furore, although I would have guessed one rather smaller than the one which they find themselves embroiled in now.
I do think you've spent rather more time having a pop at me rather than on the issue as it actually is.
I mean stopping the visit would be a blatent political action so I think Town were right in that thinking.
I don't think a simple statement that the club 'welcomes' MP's from all parties at different times (as it has in the past) but has no political affiliation and does not endorse anyone views would have been that hard would it?
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:18 - Mar 24 with 653 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:51 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
Well, the first point you make is, as I understand the situation and as others have also reported, wrong, for starters. The club didn't know it was Reform when the booking was made, it was under a name unconnected and they only later discovered that to be the case. At which point they made the decision to allow it to continue and to allow the media access they evidently gave.
Clearly that was an error and I've no idea why they would think it would do anything other than blow up in their face in the manner it has. But the intention was never to stage an official event or give any official support to Reform, which was what I reported.
I think the feeling was that if they stopped it it would be viewed as a political action on their part and it would lead to an issue with Reform calling foul that they had been banned and that doing so would lead to a social media furore, although I would have guessed one rather smaller than the one which they find themselves embroiled in now.
I do think you've spent rather more time having a pop at me rather than on the issue as it actually is.
If they accepted the booking under a different name and later found out that it was an underhand trick by ReformUK to sneak in then it should have given them an easy door out of this situation.
I have expressed my displeasure towards the club directly in a more formal way, but I also felt it prudent to pushback on the headline of your article as I feel that is enabling the club to shy out of accountability of what is quite an ugly incident.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:40 - Mar 24 by GavTWTD
The whole thing makes you feel sick, seeing Farage with a Town shirt, at the press podium. But to insinuate we're a part of this is disgusting. The club will have to make a statement, clearly, and ASAP.
Good hits though. Good hits. Could be the busiest start to an international break ever.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:18 - Mar 24 by RKD
If they accepted the booking under a different name and later found out that it was an underhand trick by ReformUK to sneak in then it should have given them an easy door out of this situation.
I have expressed my displeasure towards the club directly in a more formal way, but I also felt it prudent to pushback on the headline of your article as I feel that is enabling the club to shy out of accountability of what is quite an ugly incident.
I don't disagree with that, once they knew it was a political organisation of the type that it is, then they should have cancelled it rather than looking to 'manage' the situation as they did. Was always going to end up as it did with a social media team in tow.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:49 - Mar 24 with 526 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 13:44 - Mar 24 by Vic
I'm with you Phil. But How on earth have Reform got away with this stunt? I'm stunned to be honest! They've pulled our knickers down and posted them on a flagpole. It's incredibly, incredibly poor by the club and they need to get something out quickly to counter the bad publicity this is bringing.
I don't disagree, they need to say something officially to give greater clarity to the situation, not an official visit, endorsement, club is apolitical etc.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 16:03 - Mar 24 with 477 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:49 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
I don't disagree, they need to say something officially to give greater clarity to the situation, not an official visit, endorsement, club is apolitical etc.
The longer the club remains silent, the more it appears as though those running the club do indeed have sympathies with Reform and what they stand for. If I'm honest, given the access afforded to Farage and the fact he was greeted by the communications director, I'm inclined to believe so myself.
By the very definition of the website, TWTD supports Ipswich Town FC. I'm sure if any other politicians turn up and pay money to be around the place then they'll take their money too. At which point the other side will spit their dummies out too. All that research at the Tavistock institute on how to trigger people was money well spent.
I love ITFC, but a large number of the fans are bellends
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 17:18 - Mar 24 with 375 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:49 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
I don't disagree, they need to say something officially to give greater clarity to the situation, not an official visit, endorsement, club is apolitical etc.
It’s landed and it’s rubbish.
Doesn’t distance itself enough from the event and no acknowledgment or apology that Farage had access to opportunities that paying supporters are denied.
I know you’re not Nigel Farage or even Marcus Nash, and can’t be blamed for last night, but I stand by what I said earlier that the headline was too kind and favourable to the club.
As Jake said, your’s was the only narrative we had at the time and it didn’t add up alongside the content coming out of ReformUK. The statement from the club also suggests they were welcoming hosts, which is very disappointing.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 15:49 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
I don't disagree, they need to say something officially to give greater clarity to the situation, not an official visit, endorsement, club is apolitical etc.
Phil, appreciate it’s been a busy day. Do you think what the athletic is reporting is false? To me it looks like the club have deliberately fed you and eadt inaccurate info regarding events this morning. Which is really poor from them and has put you in a difficult spot. Hope you are able to voice your opinion adequately to them.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 18:50 - Mar 24 with 279 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 18:46 - Mar 24 by bicester_blue
Phil, appreciate it’s been a busy day. Do you think what the athletic is reporting is false? To me it looks like the club have deliberately fed you and eadt inaccurate info regarding events this morning. Which is really poor from them and has put you in a difficult spot. Hope you are able to voice your opinion adequately to them.
I'd like to think that Phil will report this.
He's normally very good at reporting on links/stories about Town from major reputable sources.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 14:51 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
Well, the first point you make is, as I understand the situation and as others have also reported, wrong, for starters. The club didn't know it was Reform when the booking was made, it was under a name unconnected and they only later discovered that to be the case. At which point they made the decision to allow it to continue and to allow the media access they evidently gave.
Clearly that was an error and I've no idea why they would think it would do anything other than blow up in their face in the manner it has. But the intention was never to stage an official event or give any official support to Reform, which was what I reported.
I think the feeling was that if they stopped it it would be viewed as a political action on their part and it would lead to an issue with Reform calling foul that they had been banned and that doing so would lead to a social media furore, although I would have guessed one rather smaller than the one which they find themselves embroiled in now.
I do think you've spent rather more time having a pop at me rather than on the issue as it actually is.
You write very clearly. Have you thought of taking up journalism?
Sorry you’re getting a bit of grief today. It feels like we’ve all been played a little bit here. The Club by Farage, us by the club. Everything around Farage is always a toxic mess. When I spent a few years on and off visiting the EU Parliament everything around him and his UKIP team was the same. He thrives of sh*tstirring and chaos.
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