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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:25 - Mar 24 by bsw72
Under what grounds does the club ban an elected member of parliament from booking a stadium tour with their own funding, I would imagine not even booked to indicate it was reform or Farage, so I doubt the club knew who was attending in advance.
Having them established it was Farage, if the club was to then prevent entry on the day, it would be a media frenzy for Reform and Co.
Please rationally and calmly justify that without giving Farage and co a platform to bleat on about not having free speech or their political views being suppressed how could the club have prevented this.
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I've done this tour, and when I did I would not have been allowed to hang numerous Blueschev 10 shirts up in the dressing room in order to pose for photos. The club are absolutely complicit. It's disgusting, and as RKD has alluded to, will only encourage the knuckle draggers becoming ever more prevalent within our fanbase, and football more widely.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:06 - Mar 24 with 726 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:58 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
It was posted on here yesterday that the club's Director of Media and Communications greeted Farage upon the latter's arrival at Portman Road. That looks quite a bit like "welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town".
Is that usual practice for the public or private stadium tours?
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:08 - Mar 24 with 709 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:58 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
I don’t think it’s a misreading, I think the headline is misleading, and there’s quite a lot of reports that contradict what you’ve just said.
The director of communications personally greeted Farage and his team upon arrival.
Farage was permitted to hang his own shirts up in the dressing room when itfcjoe has told us that his boy was told off for just brushing his head on one of the shirts.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:08 - Mar 24 by RKD
I don’t think it’s a misreading, I think the headline is misleading, and there’s quite a lot of reports that contradict what you’ve just said.
The director of communications personally greeted Farage and his team upon arrival.
Farage was permitted to hang his own shirts up in the dressing room when itfcjoe has told us that his boy was told off for just brushing his head on one of the shirts.
Let's judge people by their actions. Things I have seen the club sanction in recent years:
Sessions for people from ethnic minorities and refugee football New social meetings for the elderly/lonely More outreach events into the community Expanded disability football sessions Support for local food banks Tweets honouring religious celebrations for all faiths
The optics are terrible for this episode but there is no evidence anyone at the top of the club sanctioned it.
So on the sum total weighing the Farage stunt against everything the club does, I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt, but someone - probably in the media department or commercial side - needs some educating.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:05 - Mar 24 by Blueschev
I've done this tour, and when I did I would not have been allowed to hang numerous Blueschev 10 shirts up in the dressing room in order to pose for photos. The club are absolutely complicit. It's disgusting, and as RKD has alluded to, will only encourage the knuckle draggers becoming ever more prevalent within our fanbase, and football more widely.
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Exactly this.
I did the tour (it was great) but you absolutely cannot be putting your own stamp on the facilities. The blokes hosting the tour (one of whom was Peter Over, a genuinely lovely bloke, RIP) were very clear on this; during the entire tour it was pretty much the only thing they were rigid on.
Someone in the club has very clearly, if you will, given Farage's entourage permission to put their 'stamp' on this - that's something the club need to address.
'No official involvement' is *absolute* b0llocks, I'm afraid.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:16 - Mar 24 with 635 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:58 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
Trying to remember when RKD posted about this actual Farage supporter..?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:08 - Mar 24 by RKD
I don’t think it’s a misreading, I think the headline is misleading, and there’s quite a lot of reports that contradict what you’ve just said.
The director of communications personally greeted Farage and his team upon arrival.
Farage was permitted to hang his own shirts up in the dressing room when itfcjoe has told us that his boy was told off for just brushing his head on one of the shirts.
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:16 - Mar 24 by RKD
You were saying?
F*** me. Who is that signing the shirt? Given how much Reform has managed to get out of this without any "official involvement" it's possible it's just one of Farage's sidekicks but that is terrible.
We've either actively facilitated this or been done up like absolute kippers. Neither look is great.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:21 - Mar 24 with 566 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:18 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
Not much of a story is it then. You know what you’re doing with it.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:58 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
Is it fair to summarise that.
1. The club were naive. 2. Reform played the club and took advantage of the clubs nativity. 3. Reform are lying through their teeth. 4. Reform has spoilt it for other organisations to have a tour with the club not being as trusting in the future?
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:23 - Mar 24 with 530 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:20 - Mar 24 by soupytwist
F*** me. Who is that signing the shirt? Given how much Reform has managed to get out of this without any "official involvement" it's possible it's just one of Farage's sidekicks but that is terrible.
We've either actively facilitated this or been done up like absolute kippers. Neither look is great.
No club employee visible in that video. Don't think it moves the needle much. Farage and his team have made the most out of having access to the stadium.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:19 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Have we seen a video showing those Farage shirts?
Could well be AI. Not saying it is, but it wouldn't be difficult to do. ChatGPT could easily do it.
Doesnt look like AI. The shirts are all different and the writing on them is not gobbledigook as one would expect if they were AI generated impressions of what a shirt should look like.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:18 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
Phil, it seems very likely that inviting a figure as high-profile and polarising as Farage to ITFC would have had some pretty major planning, from both his security detail and, indeed, the club. There is a reasonable chance the bloke may be PM in 3 years; he is arguably the most prominent politician in Europe right now.
There is no way that there was 'No Official Town Involvement' here; that one is absolutely for the birds.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:24 - Mar 24 with 509 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:18 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
They should have either intercepted the booking initially on the grounds it would cause division and the political party’s policies contradicts the club’s supposed values.
If they felt they had to honour the booking due to other political parties being allowed access, they should have at the very least not given him special treatment and allowed him to use the club’s image, logo and branding to endorse his policies. Restricted access would have been ideal, normal access would have been acceptable. Special favours is unacceptable.
It’s also been far too long a wait for any sort of club announcement to distance themselves from this. The latest video from ReformUK makes it look like we have forged a partnership with them, and the club are allowing it.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:20 - Mar 24 by soupytwist
F*** me. Who is that signing the shirt? Given how much Reform has managed to get out of this without any "official involvement" it's possible it's just one of Farage's sidekicks but that is terrible.
We've either actively facilitated this or been done up like absolute kippers. Neither look is great.
And THAT is the point, isnt it.
If they have been done up like kippers, why are they not saying so?
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:18 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
Phil, I would say in the old days I think you and eadt would have perhaps pushed back on this to the club. I do agree that I don't think it was an invite. But based on the evidence of who welcomed him, how much time he was given to set up videos, pictures, sort out shirts etc. This is far beyound just being taken for mugs by a mystery tour booker and the allowance of such useage of club material imo is endorcement, unless the club specfically come out and remove themselves from such link and advise they were not aware of any such material being used.. which we know is not true.
The club have imo fked up massively with this, I think they need to own it.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:18 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
So what do you think happened then? The club made a personal invitation to Farage to come along to the ground and is therefore backing Reform but is now recanting as they've seen it's blown up in their faces? They were clearly naive in allowing the tour to take place and it was inevitable Reform would use it in the manner they have and would push things to the nth degree but there wasn't any official meetings, events etc, as per the story.
With all due respect Phil, if ever the “independent Ipswich Town” tag on your logo was important, it is now.
At the least I think you could publish an editorial which reflects the vast majority of your users, even if you are reluctant to put over your own view, which I would imagine is also one of disgust.
“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:35 - Mar 24 by RKD
Mainly - on the grounds that the club promotes inclusivity and community engagement and the values and policies of ReformUK are a direct contradiction to this. There are ITFC fans living in Ipswich who Farage wants to deport, and the club should have been conscious of this.
The club should have a greater control of their property and imagery and should not allow it to be used to promote quote “Right Wing” politicians. The club should remain politically neutral, and yes, I include other parties in this statement, though their imagery would have done less harm.
It is irresponsible and it will give an already existent group of racist fans more license and entitlement to sing racist and discriminatory chants.
They have a responsibility to their sponsors to protect their image, and they will likely face retribution from Halo, Tingly Teds and Birketts who had found their logo featured on an official ReformUK social media page this morning.
I hope that was rational enough for you.
'they will likely face retribution from Halo, Tingly Teds and Birketts who had found their logo featured on an official ReformUK social media page this morning.' Absolute nonsense. They will equally likely face NO retribution from any of them. Absurd to think this as it's only on here and that other echo chamber X that people are getting exercised !!
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:34 - Mar 24 with 430 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:31 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue
With all due respect Phil, if ever the “independent Ipswich Town” tag on your logo was important, it is now.
At the least I think you could publish an editorial which reflects the vast majority of your users, even if you are reluctant to put over your own view, which I would imagine is also one of disgust.
Why? Phil has put up the basic facts as he understands them.
There is nothing to be gained by taking any side. Leave the analysis to the forum.
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