| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club 23:10 - Mar 24 with 9200 views | redrickstuhaart |
I am embarrassed and ashamed of the club.
I am not going to be part of a club which openly endorses a promoter of hate and bigotry.
Done.
|  |
| |  |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 11:06 - Mar 26 with 1206 views | Norfolk_north |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 10:59 - Mar 26 by Benters |
You are very angry for a newbie!
How’s Reuser today ? |
Has my anger reached the level of wanting to machine gun asylum seekers or is that a level of anger reserved for yourself? | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 11:06 - Mar 26 with 1200 views | delias_cheesy_flaps |
Oh well…never mind….next! |  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 12:36 - Mar 26 with 1136 views | Churchman |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 09:59 - Mar 26 by Norfolk_north |
Yes they are terrible and horrible people. Why is this difficult for you to grasp?
Reform don't hide their terrible and horrible policies and attitudes. They very clearly run on a platform of hate, bigotry, xenophobia and racism. If somebody sees that and decides yes! That's a bit of me, I want to vote for the horrible and terrible racists then yes, that makes them terrible and horrible people.
Just because there's a lot of terrible and horrible people that will vote for them it does not make them any less of a terrible person with disgusting views.
This is all very simple so I'm not sure why it has caused you such confusion but as stated previously, not everyone can be blessed with intelligence. |
I often find those who claim to be more intelligence than others are as thick as mince.
As it is all so simple, perhaps you will answer the simple (closed) question yes or no? As 4.2 million people, according to you so blessed with intelligence, are ‘terrible and horrible people’ would you take away their right to vote?
Yes or no. |  | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 13:08 - Mar 26 with 1094 views | Bobbychase |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 03:03 - Mar 25 by Illinoisblue |
Actually you can. Fans are invested in our club longer than any player or manager or chairman. They come and go. We stay for life. It’s our club, always was, always will be. |
More proud of the club in recent years than at most points in my life. This is a bump in the road but doesn't change that.
The Easter Monday home game will be sold out I predict, as will all our away games for the rest of the season. |  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 13:25 - Mar 26 with 1033 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 12:36 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
I often find those who claim to be more intelligence than others are as thick as mince.
As it is all so simple, perhaps you will answer the simple (closed) question yes or no? As 4.2 million people, according to you so blessed with intelligence, are ‘terrible and horrible people’ would you take away their right to vote?
Yes or no. |
Not for the first time recently, you appear to be indulging in a bit of goalpost shifting to try and get some kind of gotcha moment.
Personally I agree with the poster that anybody who listens to that disgusting hate-preacher and still thinks that his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bile is something that they would vote for, pretty much is a terrible person. I include my parents-in-law with that, and indeed, all your reform loving mates.
But no - being such a person is their right and they should of course have the right to vote. Id never argue otherwise, and I fail to see where the poster (sorry forgotten their name) has done either. |  | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:09 - Mar 26 with 980 views | Churchman |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 13:25 - Mar 26 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Not for the first time recently, you appear to be indulging in a bit of goalpost shifting to try and get some kind of gotcha moment.
Personally I agree with the poster that anybody who listens to that disgusting hate-preacher and still thinks that his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bile is something that they would vote for, pretty much is a terrible person. I include my parents-in-law with that, and indeed, all your reform loving mates.
But no - being such a person is their right and they should of course have the right to vote. Id never argue otherwise, and I fail to see where the poster (sorry forgotten their name) has done either. |
Ok. Where I am going on this is that I believe it is wrong to classify every person that supports or vote for Reform as a ‘terrible person’. I know too many people that did vote for them who are most certainly not terrible.
One golfing acquaintance is pretty bad. He works on Farage’s team and whilst pleasant enough is somebody I steer clear of where possible. He’s rabid on it and ticks all the stereotype boxes. Shared a buggy on a golf course in Portugal last year and he kept trying to drag me into a discussion about all matters reform. God, it was a long morning. Sill, I got a nice level of ridicule from my chums who were relieved it wasn’t them.
People cast their vote for all sorts of reasons. From ignorance to fear. For personal reasons to genuine beliefs. Frustration with the inadequates that have infested the HoC for decades. My guess is mostly fear.
I was chatting to an American in Colorado just before Covid. He was a very wealthy man (you know, Rolex watch, expensive ski gear etc). He asked about Johnson so gave my less than complimentary response then asked what about Trump? He responded I know what he is, but the Democrats will take and waste all my money so I’ll be voting Trump.
In other words his voting preference didn’t necessarily make him a terrible man (might have been a gangster for all I knew, mind). I suspect that many who vote for Farage will do so for similar baseless reasons.
They’ll also flee to him because the current incumbents are perceived hopeless, but regardless how many will look beyond Farage’s simple messaging? Not many is my guess, any more than people did with Brexit. Simple (lies) messaging far too many swallowed.
I do not believe in muzzling people including him, unless they break the law. Their arguments are usually so shallow that give them their allotted air time and their ghastliness is easily exposed and actually ridiculed. Their ‘policies certainly won’t stand up to any scrutiny.
So while I certainly agree with your last paragraph I am not keen to classify millions of people I don’t know as ‘terrible’.
It’s just a view.
Edit: apols for the too long response [Post edited 26 Mar 14:09]
| | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:22 - Mar 26 with 935 views | PaulYoungs |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:09 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
Ok. Where I am going on this is that I believe it is wrong to classify every person that supports or vote for Reform as a ‘terrible person’. I know too many people that did vote for them who are most certainly not terrible.
One golfing acquaintance is pretty bad. He works on Farage’s team and whilst pleasant enough is somebody I steer clear of where possible. He’s rabid on it and ticks all the stereotype boxes. Shared a buggy on a golf course in Portugal last year and he kept trying to drag me into a discussion about all matters reform. God, it was a long morning. Sill, I got a nice level of ridicule from my chums who were relieved it wasn’t them.
People cast their vote for all sorts of reasons. From ignorance to fear. For personal reasons to genuine beliefs. Frustration with the inadequates that have infested the HoC for decades. My guess is mostly fear.
I was chatting to an American in Colorado just before Covid. He was a very wealthy man (you know, Rolex watch, expensive ski gear etc). He asked about Johnson so gave my less than complimentary response then asked what about Trump? He responded I know what he is, but the Democrats will take and waste all my money so I’ll be voting Trump.
In other words his voting preference didn’t necessarily make him a terrible man (might have been a gangster for all I knew, mind). I suspect that many who vote for Farage will do so for similar baseless reasons.
They’ll also flee to him because the current incumbents are perceived hopeless, but regardless how many will look beyond Farage’s simple messaging? Not many is my guess, any more than people did with Brexit. Simple (lies) messaging far too many swallowed.
I do not believe in muzzling people including him, unless they break the law. Their arguments are usually so shallow that give them their allotted air time and their ghastliness is easily exposed and actually ridiculed. Their ‘policies certainly won’t stand up to any scrutiny.
So while I certainly agree with your last paragraph I am not keen to classify millions of people I don’t know as ‘terrible’.
It’s just a view.
Edit: apols for the too long response [Post edited 26 Mar 14:09]
|
Every politician lies to get into power.
Look how Starmer and Rayner backed the waspi women saying they would make sure they get what is owed to them. | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:26 - Mar 26 with 912 views | blueoutlook |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 09:22 - Mar 26 by ITFCson |
The irony here is thick! |
I put this guy on ignore because he looks for an argument wherever he can. His response to most things is that the poster is thick and he is Mr intellectual. Says a lot about the blokes insecurities doesn’t it ? |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:33 - Mar 26 with 897 views | Churchman |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:22 - Mar 26 by PaulYoungs |
Every politician lies to get into power.
Look how Starmer and Rayner backed the waspi women saying they would make sure they get what is owed to them. |
How very true.
You know, I’d love to have been a politician, represent and do some good. I reckon I’d have lasted about two minutes before being hurled out. | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:37 - Mar 26 with 870 views | TheMover |
I personally would not vote for or support/defend Farage in any way.
However, if you saw him at a Shell service station would you boycott Shell?
The club received a booking for a stadium tour, in whose name we no not, which they accepted. Once on site they decided that, given the amount of social media present, it would allow it to continue. It was an income for the club.
I don't care who visits the club, Farage, Corbyn, Starmer, it all brings in money. as the old adage goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity. | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:48 - Mar 26 with 827 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:09 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
Ok. Where I am going on this is that I believe it is wrong to classify every person that supports or vote for Reform as a ‘terrible person’. I know too many people that did vote for them who are most certainly not terrible.
One golfing acquaintance is pretty bad. He works on Farage’s team and whilst pleasant enough is somebody I steer clear of where possible. He’s rabid on it and ticks all the stereotype boxes. Shared a buggy on a golf course in Portugal last year and he kept trying to drag me into a discussion about all matters reform. God, it was a long morning. Sill, I got a nice level of ridicule from my chums who were relieved it wasn’t them.
People cast their vote for all sorts of reasons. From ignorance to fear. For personal reasons to genuine beliefs. Frustration with the inadequates that have infested the HoC for decades. My guess is mostly fear.
I was chatting to an American in Colorado just before Covid. He was a very wealthy man (you know, Rolex watch, expensive ski gear etc). He asked about Johnson so gave my less than complimentary response then asked what about Trump? He responded I know what he is, but the Democrats will take and waste all my money so I’ll be voting Trump.
In other words his voting preference didn’t necessarily make him a terrible man (might have been a gangster for all I knew, mind). I suspect that many who vote for Farage will do so for similar baseless reasons.
They’ll also flee to him because the current incumbents are perceived hopeless, but regardless how many will look beyond Farage’s simple messaging? Not many is my guess, any more than people did with Brexit. Simple (lies) messaging far too many swallowed.
I do not believe in muzzling people including him, unless they break the law. Their arguments are usually so shallow that give them their allotted air time and their ghastliness is easily exposed and actually ridiculed. Their ‘policies certainly won’t stand up to any scrutiny.
So while I certainly agree with your last paragraph I am not keen to classify millions of people I don’t know as ‘terrible’.
It’s just a view.
Edit: apols for the too long response [Post edited 26 Mar 14:09]
|
Cheers, appreciate your pov and the not at all too long response.
I'd get that if they were voting for a party that is legitimate and with whom I just largely disagree, such as the terrible Tory governments of recent times. But this isn't just any party - this fetid party solely represents the worst of society, sewing division and fear. As you said, their policies don't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, and their leader is repeatedly shown to be a racist scumbag. And yet people still vote that way.
I don't care how amenable they might be over a pint, or a chat about water butts on a village green: if it looks like a racist and walks like a racist, it's a racist. And screw every single one of the bastards. | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 15:01 - Mar 26 with 776 views | Herbivore |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:37 - Mar 26 by TheMover |
I personally would not vote for or support/defend Farage in any way.
However, if you saw him at a Shell service station would you boycott Shell?
The club received a booking for a stadium tour, in whose name we no not, which they accepted. Once on site they decided that, given the amount of social media present, it would allow it to continue. It was an income for the club.
I don't care who visits the club, Farage, Corbyn, Starmer, it all brings in money. as the old adage goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity. |
Erm, have you seen the coverage of this? This is very much the definition of bad publicity and there really is such a thing. |  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 15:49 - Mar 26 with 716 views | KingsCrossBlue |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 15:01 - Mar 26 by Herbivore |
Erm, have you seen the coverage of this? This is very much the definition of bad publicity and there really is such a thing. |
PR 101 - wait it out. Never release anything negative on a Thursday ever. Make a statement on Friday at 4.55pm and let the weekend news bury it. That said, I don’t think any response now will make any difference - I’d wade it out unless it suddenly appears on Peston or Newsnight. A load of people on Reddit and here, really won’t move needles for sponsors or investors. Maybe a shrug of the shoulders should they have questions. They’ll be well aware of the damage to the fan base but also conscious how to play this out now… you’d hope | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 16:00 - Mar 26 with 699 views | LuciBlue |
Then don't.
If someone you don't like has used the club for their own political goals is enough to drive you away, then go. You are allowed. |  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 17:18 - Mar 26 with 575 views | Nordic_nutty |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 12:36 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
I often find those who claim to be more intelligence than others are as thick as mince.
As it is all so simple, perhaps you will answer the simple (closed) question yes or no? As 4.2 million people, according to you so blessed with intelligence, are ‘terrible and horrible people’ would you take away their right to vote?
Yes or no. |
This is disingenuous and a straw man. Nobody suggested taking away votes from anyone so why are you trying a gotcha by asking a loaded question that has no relevance to anything?
Let me ask you a disingenuous question. In 1933 the Nazi party received about 44% of the vote, thus giving them power. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight as to how that worked out, would you have banned all of those from voting? |  | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 17:21 - Mar 26 with 558 views | Churchman |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:48 - Mar 26 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Cheers, appreciate your pov and the not at all too long response.
I'd get that if they were voting for a party that is legitimate and with whom I just largely disagree, such as the terrible Tory governments of recent times. But this isn't just any party - this fetid party solely represents the worst of society, sewing division and fear. As you said, their policies don't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, and their leader is repeatedly shown to be a racist scumbag. And yet people still vote that way.
I don't care how amenable they might be over a pint, or a chat about water butts on a village green: if it looks like a racist and walks like a racist, it's a racist. And screw every single one of the bastards. |
I suspect we will agree to disagree on this, but whilst I fully understand what you are saying, I believe there is more to it than that and I don’t see it in such black and white terms - somewhat ironic given how binary/yes or no/black or white I am on so many things.
For me it is not about views on bigotry, racism, prejudice or any other form of ism. There are no shades with any of that. It is completely unacceptable and to use an old fashioned term, evil. It is more about how you deal with it and expose it for what it is.
I just believe shining a light on these people is the way to go. Free and open debate. That way those that vote for them for a multitude of reasons that are not racist may understand and rethink. Whether that is optimistic delusion or wishful thinking I don’t know.
Had there been any free and open debate based on what was known re Brexit, it would never have been voted for - not least because neither side knew anything much at all - that is a fact, not guesswork. Instead we got lies, rhetoric, fear and nonsense and too many people swallowed it again for a variety of reasons.
Rightly or wrongly I see parallels. [Post edited 26 Mar 22:03]
| | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club (n/t) on 21:45 - Mar 26 with 492 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 17:21 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
I suspect we will agree to disagree on this, but whilst I fully understand what you are saying, I believe there is more to it than that and I don’t see it in such black and white terms - somewhat ironic given how binary/yes or no/black or white I am on so many things.
For me it is not about views on bigotry, racism, prejudice or any other form of ism. There are no shades with any of that. It is completely unacceptable and to use an old fashioned term, evil. It is more about how you deal with it and expose it for what it is.
I just believe shining a light on these people is the way to go. Free and open debate. That way those that vote for them for a multitude of reasons that are not racist may understand and rethink. Whether that is optimistic delusion or wishful thinking I don’t know.
Had there been any free and open debate based on what was known re Brexit, it would never have been voted for - not least because neither side knew anything much at all - that is a fact, not guesswork. Instead we got lies, rhetoric, fear and nonsense and too many people swallowed it again for a variety of reasons.
Rightly or wrongly I see parallels. [Post edited 26 Mar 22:03]
|
[Post edited 26 Mar 21:47]
|  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 21:47 - Mar 26 with 466 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 17:18 - Mar 26 by Nordic_nutty |
This is disingenuous and a straw man. Nobody suggested taking away votes from anyone so why are you trying a gotcha by asking a loaded question that has no relevance to anything?
Let me ask you a disingenuous question. In 1933 the Nazi party received about 44% of the vote, thus giving them power. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight as to how that worked out, would you have banned all of those from voting? |
Bloody hell From_Rueser_With_Love. You're like Chumbawumba. You get knocked down but you get up again. | |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 21:52 - Mar 26 with 434 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 07:47 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
Easily, he could be you for example. |
Correct, but only marginally. |  |
| |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 09:07 - Mar 30 with 275 views | TheMover |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 15:01 - Mar 26 by Herbivore |
Erm, have you seen the coverage of this? This is very much the definition of bad publicity and there really is such a thing. |
Been away for a few days. Having seen that it WAS promoted by the club changes my view completely.
If it had been booked by a third party, as we were led to believe, the club had denial, but they don't.
I totally disagree with the frog faced ones politics but also do not want to see people turned away because of their beliefs, which would be the thin edge of the wedge, generally.
But actually inviting him to the club is totally wrong. | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 09:24 - Mar 30 with 233 views | witchdoctor |
🤣🤣🤣🤣 |  | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 10:15 - Mar 30 with 176 views | football |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 17:18 - Mar 26 by Nordic_nutty |
This is disingenuous and a straw man. Nobody suggested taking away votes from anyone so why are you trying a gotcha by asking a loaded question that has no relevance to anything?
Let me ask you a disingenuous question. In 1933 the Nazi party received about 44% of the vote, thus giving them power. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight as to how that worked out, would you have banned all of those from voting? |
But if you take away people’s voting rights, and their freedom of speech, you are no better than a dictator. Like or loathe Farage, people have a legal and moral right to vote who they want to. PersonLLY I would like to take away the vote from people who vote labour, but that would also be wrong | | | |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 10:27 - Mar 30 with 160 views | ReusersTown |
| I cannot now stand and proudly call myself a supporter of the club on 14:09 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
Ok. Where I am going on this is that I believe it is wrong to classify every person that supports or vote for Reform as a ‘terrible person’. I know too many people that did vote for them who are most certainly not terrible.
One golfing acquaintance is pretty bad. He works on Farage’s team and whilst pleasant enough is somebody I steer clear of where possible. He’s rabid on it and ticks all the stereotype boxes. Shared a buggy on a golf course in Portugal last year and he kept trying to drag me into a discussion about all matters reform. God, it was a long morning. Sill, I got a nice level of ridicule from my chums who were relieved it wasn’t them.
People cast their vote for all sorts of reasons. From ignorance to fear. For personal reasons to genuine beliefs. Frustration with the inadequates that have infested the HoC for decades. My guess is mostly fear.
I was chatting to an American in Colorado just before Covid. He was a very wealthy man (you know, Rolex watch, expensive ski gear etc). He asked about Johnson so gave my less than complimentary response then asked what about Trump? He responded I know what he is, but the Democrats will take and waste all my money so I’ll be voting Trump.
In other words his voting preference didn’t necessarily make him a terrible man (might have been a gangster for all I knew, mind). I suspect that many who vote for Farage will do so for similar baseless reasons.
They’ll also flee to him because the current incumbents are perceived hopeless, but regardless how many will look beyond Farage’s simple messaging? Not many is my guess, any more than people did with Brexit. Simple (lies) messaging far too many swallowed.
I do not believe in muzzling people including him, unless they break the law. Their arguments are usually so shallow that give them their allotted air time and their ghastliness is easily exposed and actually ridiculed. Their ‘policies certainly won’t stand up to any scrutiny.
So while I certainly agree with your last paragraph I am not keen to classify millions of people I don’t know as ‘terrible’.
It’s just a view.
Edit: apols for the too long response [Post edited 26 Mar 14:09]
|
You think because he had a rolex and some nice ski gear he wasn't a terrible person? Alright then | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
