| Perspective is needed... 11:34 - Mar 28 with 4442 views | Westcountryblue |
I continue to be amazed at just how short-sighted those attacking Mark Ashton continue to be. Have you had your eyes shut to what’s actually happening at this club over the past 5 years, as we've been dragged out of the dark ages and turned into a competitive, ambitious and forward-thinking club. The vitriolic bile that continues to be aimed in his direction totally and utterly forgets the fact that HE is the person that has essentially strengthened the link that ITFC has to the communities and underrepresented elements of it.
Look at the facts before you continue to character assassinate without any facts or evidence:
The Women’s Team: They aren't a side-project anymore. It's an incredibly well-run and professional whole setup who have played Portman Road in front of 10k+ crowds, and are making sure they have access to the same facilities the first team have.
The Foundation: He took a department with 3 staff and increased it to nearly 30 (or around that figure i believe). They’re out there every week reaching thousands of people in Suffolk.
Genuine inclusion: Weekly LGBTQ+ sessions, support and awareness for a wide variety of supporters' groups, a proper PA/Carer Network for disabled fans, and things like the Golden Days Café for people with dementia.There's been other stuff like opening Genesis Orwell Mencap and setting up the Empower Hub in high-deprivation areas.
Fact of the matter is, this club has never been more engaged than it currently is within the community, supporting the underrepresented and those in need. Whether you dislike the man or not, he has delivered more in the past in four years than the previous lot did in fifteen. Get some perspective! |  | | |  |
| Perspective is needed... on 19:18 - Mar 28 with 1063 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
One of the biggest positive changes about the club has been the insistence that character matters. Those who are shown not to hold to the basic principles are moved out.
I seem to recall someone talking about it being as important as doing the washing up.
If Ashton cannot very clearly own his mistakes, and assure that he is truly repentant of them (will do his utmost to never repeat them), why should he not be held to the same standards of accountability as the players? |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 20:17 - Mar 28 with 984 views | Libero |
| Perspective is needed... on 11:49 - Mar 28 by StokieBlue |
So what you're essentially saying is that lying is fine as long as you've done other good things in the past?
Also it's a mild form of gaslighting to say there are no facts or evidence. It's becoming pretty clear what happened and what has happened since.
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Couldn’t put it better myself. |  | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 03:38 - Mar 29 with 895 views | Westcountryblue |
| Perspective is needed... on 13:09 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell |
Listen to any clip of him talking!
I was at Lincoln. He actually missed me for the high five. I've held it against him ever since...
The point is that he has always sought the limelight. He's got a huge ego. Not ever CEO behaves like that. |
He's the CEO and therefore the figurehead of the club.
I think the way he talks is great. Ambitous, pretty open in terms of the clubs forward plans, passionate, he's admitted the club have got things wrong on several times, so not impervious to criticism etc. Perhaps your misconstruding confidence for ego?
To be honest, a lot of what your writing just sounds like it comes from a position of hate, as opposed to solid, evidence based factual information. | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 08:26 - Mar 29 with 847 views | StokieBlue |
| Perspective is needed... on 03:38 - Mar 29 by Westcountryblue |
He's the CEO and therefore the figurehead of the club.
I think the way he talks is great. Ambitous, pretty open in terms of the clubs forward plans, passionate, he's admitted the club have got things wrong on several times, so not impervious to criticism etc. Perhaps your misconstruding confidence for ego?
To be honest, a lot of what your writing just sounds like it comes from a position of hate, as opposed to solid, evidence based factual information. |
Sounds like there isn't much evidence you would accept unless it comes directly from Ashton, the person who has lied to the fanbase.
The Athletic still seem to think it is all correct, they sent out an email about it last night.
To be honest, a lot of what you're writing just sounds like it comes from a position of wanting to believe and sticking one's head in the sand as opposed to objectively looking at the evidence available.
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| Perspective is needed... on 09:00 - Mar 29 with 797 views | farkenhell |
| Perspective is needed... on 19:18 - Mar 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
One of the biggest positive changes about the club has been the insistence that character matters. Those who are shown not to hold to the basic principles are moved out.
I seem to recall someone talking about it being as important as doing the washing up.
If Ashton cannot very clearly own his mistakes, and assure that he is truly repentant of them (will do his utmost to never repeat them), why should he not be held to the same standards of accountability as the players? |
That is an excellent point. All that talk about meeting a player before he's signed, ensuring that he's the right sort of character etc. Then he invites an unsavoury character to the club, dines him, ensures that he's given a personal tour and 6 politically emblazoned shirts to publicise. Then he lies about all of that and when found out, won't admit that he lied.
Bloody hypocrite. | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 09:41 - Mar 29 with 740 views | Ryorry |
| Perspective is needed... on 12:18 - Mar 28 by Westcountryblue |
Confirmed through other sources? That's not particularly concrete, and it's a little naive to assume that national media and indeed the ITFC informant (who is unlikely to be working at executive level) have everything bang on. Sorry, but "other sources" seems to be a recurring theme in your posts, and I'm sure you understand the importance of substantiating points, a two sided arguement and the concept of validity.
I'll ask the same question again: do you think all CEOs have a perfect home run throughout their careers, flawlessly nailing every decision they make?
I'll also follow that up with a further question: do you think the CEOs of publicly listed companies are gospel in everything they communicate with shareholders? |
Iirc, someone posted on here saying s/he has a relative/friend who works at Portman Rd., who has regular contact with various members of staff at several levels, and who said pretty much the same as the Athletic. |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 11:32 - Mar 29 with 677 views | Z765765 |
| Perspective is needed... on 11:51 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell |
Rule number one of leadership: integrity. |
Name a great political leader, a great corporate leader, and a great football leader (owners only)? Just interested | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 13:51 - Mar 29 with 621 views | darkhorse28 |
Hmmm and filling his own agenda, with no upside for the club, only risk.
He has done some good things, you aren’t wrong.
But this. The cost will be what commercially? How may potentially elite people will leave or never come?
I hate the financial impact. It is huge. Best case scenario we lose some tv money, some match day money, worst case we lose a significant amount of that and sponsors, etc
It will be tens of millions and that’s the brand equity down the drain too - depends how long he’s here…, you think we’ll get a single TV game now? After these contracted ones?
There’s always other options. Far right fa bating firm away fans alone makes us un broadcastable …, that’s a huge part of our revenue in the EFL.
Obviously players and staff (some) will leave, many won’t join, even if they like the politics, they don’t reduce their off the field addressable market - my guess is they all like money more than party politics for the sake of it, with no upside.
So. Are you sure it’s worth it?? What even was the benefit for the club?
That’s why he had to go. The commercial negligence - oath worst decision I’ve seen by an executive at any football club in 50 years - seriously.., it’s so bad.
Shocked you can’t park the politics and see th football business side.., it’s only significant downside and I’m not sure Mark cares… his career was more important.
I’m again shocked though.
You value marks career after football, more than you value value your football team, it’s bit a great optic for you - party politics more important, there isn’t a single extra vote in this, the opposite, because some reform voters WILL understand the consequences to the club.
Throwing out team away completely, for zero benefit, are you sure you’re in the right side (no pun intended) of this??
This could kill our club entirely financially. Not sure it was worth the risk. | | | |
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| Perspective is needed... on 13:58 - Mar 29 with 615 views | lurcher |
Organisations can switch CEOs quite easily. It is after all the layer below that does all the work. I expect he has angered many under him and now looks weak after his awful apology. He will never get the same delivery of value out of his staff and may even have one or two eyeing his job. In the current situation getting rid of him and drawing a line under everything looks the best choice. |  | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:05 - Mar 29 with 573 views | Ryorry |
| Perspective is needed... on 13:51 - Mar 29 by darkhorse28 |
Hmmm and filling his own agenda, with no upside for the club, only risk.
He has done some good things, you aren’t wrong.
But this. The cost will be what commercially? How may potentially elite people will leave or never come?
I hate the financial impact. It is huge. Best case scenario we lose some tv money, some match day money, worst case we lose a significant amount of that and sponsors, etc
It will be tens of millions and that’s the brand equity down the drain too - depends how long he’s here…, you think we’ll get a single TV game now? After these contracted ones?
There’s always other options. Far right fa bating firm away fans alone makes us un broadcastable …, that’s a huge part of our revenue in the EFL.
Obviously players and staff (some) will leave, many won’t join, even if they like the politics, they don’t reduce their off the field addressable market - my guess is they all like money more than party politics for the sake of it, with no upside.
So. Are you sure it’s worth it?? What even was the benefit for the club?
That’s why he had to go. The commercial negligence - oath worst decision I’ve seen by an executive at any football club in 50 years - seriously.., it’s so bad.
Shocked you can’t park the politics and see th football business side.., it’s only significant downside and I’m not sure Mark cares… his career was more important.
I’m again shocked though.
You value marks career after football, more than you value value your football team, it’s bit a great optic for you - party politics more important, there isn’t a single extra vote in this, the opposite, because some reform voters WILL understand the consequences to the club.
Throwing out team away completely, for zero benefit, are you sure you’re in the right side (no pun intended) of this??
This could kill our club entirely financially. Not sure it was worth the risk. |
Think I get the drift, and for once I largely agree with you, albeit not with your comment that it could "kill" our club financially - but damage, yes, not to mention the damage to other aspects of it.
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| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 with 546 views | Unit2Blue |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:05 - Mar 29 by Ryorry |
Think I get the drift, and for once I largely agree with you, albeit not with your comment that it could "kill" our club financially - but damage, yes, not to mention the damage to other aspects of it.
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You seen on facebook how many people are not bothered about this?
One post had over 160 thumbs up agreeing they are not bothered.
Proves some of the posts on here saying everyone is upset is factually incorrect, its just the normal left wingers getting upset. | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 with 547 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Perspective is needed... on 11:49 - Mar 28 by StokieBlue |
So what you're essentially saying is that lying is fine as long as you've done other good things in the past?
Also it's a mild form of gaslighting to say there are no facts or evidence. It's becoming pretty clear what happened and what has happened since.
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I didn’t read it as that. The OP is saying that the character assassinations don’t fit the overwhelming evidence of all the work he’s put into community initiatives, most of which have inclusion at their core. It’s a fair point. As Guthers says, that all sits at odds with him then entertaining Farage, which is a quite a contradictory position to be in.
Everyone’s having to imagine the motivation behind this, which is another problem they’ve created for themselves through the poor communication. If they lie and leave massive blanks people will fill in the dots with all sorts. It’s unbelievable how wrong they’ve got this. “They” being mostly Ashton as the boss, but others will be involved in handling the fallout. |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 14:22 - Mar 29 with 541 views | Westcountryblue |
| Perspective is needed... on 13:51 - Mar 29 by darkhorse28 |
Hmmm and filling his own agenda, with no upside for the club, only risk.
He has done some good things, you aren’t wrong.
But this. The cost will be what commercially? How may potentially elite people will leave or never come?
I hate the financial impact. It is huge. Best case scenario we lose some tv money, some match day money, worst case we lose a significant amount of that and sponsors, etc
It will be tens of millions and that’s the brand equity down the drain too - depends how long he’s here…, you think we’ll get a single TV game now? After these contracted ones?
There’s always other options. Far right fa bating firm away fans alone makes us un broadcastable …, that’s a huge part of our revenue in the EFL.
Obviously players and staff (some) will leave, many won’t join, even if they like the politics, they don’t reduce their off the field addressable market - my guess is they all like money more than party politics for the sake of it, with no upside.
So. Are you sure it’s worth it?? What even was the benefit for the club?
That’s why he had to go. The commercial negligence - oath worst decision I’ve seen by an executive at any football club in 50 years - seriously.., it’s so bad.
Shocked you can’t park the politics and see th football business side.., it’s only significant downside and I’m not sure Mark cares… his career was more important.
I’m again shocked though.
You value marks career after football, more than you value value your football team, it’s bit a great optic for you - party politics more important, there isn’t a single extra vote in this, the opposite, because some reform voters WILL understand the consequences to the club.
Throwing out team away completely, for zero benefit, are you sure you’re in the right side (no pun intended) of this??
This could kill our club entirely financially. Not sure it was worth the risk. |
I do agree that there could be some financial repercussions from what happened, it's a fair point about sponsors, brand equity etc.
However, our focus as a club and supporters should be solely on the remaining 8 games. We have a terrific chance of achieving promotion and the financial riches associated with that. I think after the week we've had, the players and McKenna need the fans pulling together and getting behind the club more than ever.
What happens to MA is up to the board, but i'd hope they'd save any action till after the season has finished. | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:25 - Mar 29 with 533 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
You seen on facebook how many people are not bothered about this?
One post had over 160 thumbs up agreeing they are not bothered.
Proves some of the posts on here saying everyone is upset is factually incorrect, its just the normal left wingers getting upset. |
Could you please point me to the post where anyone has said everyone is upset?
Some fans, myself included, have (what I consider) to be very legitimate concerns. I am absolutely open to hearing why my concerns may not be legitimate.
However, as far as I can see, those least likely to engage with me are those that wish to push this into a culture wars argument, which is to entirely miss the point of the valid concerns, whilst also highlighting why we remain concerned.
I'm wondering if you could buck the trend? |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 14:27 - Mar 29 with 527 views | Unit2Blue |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:25 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
Could you please point me to the post where anyone has said everyone is upset?
Some fans, myself included, have (what I consider) to be very legitimate concerns. I am absolutely open to hearing why my concerns may not be legitimate.
However, as far as I can see, those least likely to engage with me are those that wish to push this into a culture wars argument, which is to entirely miss the point of the valid concerns, whilst also highlighting why we remain concerned.
I'm wondering if you could buck the trend? |
Ha ha.
You need to start reading the posts for yourself. | | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:30 - Mar 29 with 524 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:27 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
Ha ha.
You need to start reading the posts for yourself. |
So you cannot argue in good faith then. Thank you for confirming.
You know nothing about me, nor my politics. Nor have you made any attempt to understand what my issues really are. Your motivation appears to be just about winning the "us vs them" narrative of which, I would argue, there are only losers. | |
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| Perspective is needed... on 14:44 - Mar 29 with 504 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
You seen on facebook how many people are not bothered about this?
One post had over 160 thumbs up agreeing they are not bothered.
Proves some of the posts on here saying everyone is upset is factually incorrect, its just the normal left wingers getting upset. |
It is.
But on here there was a poll with around 75% feeling angered by it and amounting to as many as your 160 "thumbs up" on Facebook.
Isn't it good that there are a lot of woke lefties now and not everyone tolerates nasty little racists? | |
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| Perspective is needed... on 16:02 - Mar 29 with 467 views | HighgateBlue |
| Perspective is needed... on 13:58 - Mar 29 by lurcher |
Organisations can switch CEOs quite easily. It is after all the layer below that does all the work. I expect he has angered many under him and now looks weak after his awful apology. He will never get the same delivery of value out of his staff and may even have one or two eyeing his job. In the current situation getting rid of him and drawing a line under everything looks the best choice. |
It would be even easier if we still had a separate Chairman to oversee the transition. The fact we don't is another reason to let him go. |  | | |
| Perspective is needed... on 16:08 - Mar 29 with 443 views | grow_our_own |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:44 - Mar 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is.
But on here there was a poll with around 75% feeling angered by it and amounting to as many as your 160 "thumbs up" on Facebook.
Isn't it good that there are a lot of woke lefties now and not everyone tolerates nasty little racists? |
As someone who's never voted for a left-wing party in his life (and I vote in every election), I'd just like to say that being anti-racist isn't about left or right, it's more about being anti-ignorant f#ckwit. [Post edited 29 Mar 16:10]
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| Perspective is needed... on 16:12 - Mar 29 with 425 views | KBsSocks |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
You seen on facebook how many people are not bothered about this?
One post had over 160 thumbs up agreeing they are not bothered.
Proves some of the posts on here saying everyone is upset is factually incorrect, its just the normal left wingers getting upset. |
Ah, Facebook, that hotbed of intelligent discourse and informed opinions.
Not: FB is an echo-chamber for whatever grouping of humanity you wish, more-or-less, but as many misinformed as informed - if not more of the former latterly, I posit. |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 16:36 - Mar 29 with 398 views | bartyg |
| Perspective is needed... on 14:20 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
You seen on facebook how many people are not bothered about this?
One post had over 160 thumbs up agreeing they are not bothered.
Proves some of the posts on here saying everyone is upset is factually incorrect, its just the normal left wingers getting upset. |
I would invite them to join the forum and share their opinions! It's good to have a healthy conversation about issues. |  |
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| Perspective is needed... on 16:44 - Mar 29 with 377 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Perspective is needed... on 16:08 - Mar 29 by grow_our_own |
As someone who's never voted for a left-wing party in his life (and I vote in every election), I'd just like to say that being anti-racist isn't about left or right, it's more about being anti-ignorant f#ckwit. [Post edited 29 Mar 16:10]
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Indeed.
I was responding in kind to the poster before who wanted to suggest that the majority are quite happy with what has happened and only the extreme left nutters that make up everyone on here (apart from his voice of reason presumably) care. | |
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| Perspective is needed... on 21:41 - Mar 29 with 306 views | Libero |
| Perspective is needed... on 16:08 - Mar 29 by grow_our_own |
As someone who's never voted for a left-wing party in his life (and I vote in every election), I'd just like to say that being anti-racist isn't about left or right, it's more about being anti-ignorant f#ckwit. [Post edited 29 Mar 16:10]
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Being anti-ignorant f*#ck witt and being staunchly right wing must have been a tricky time over the last 15 years, you have my empathy. | | | |
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