| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... 18:09 - Apr 20 with 3527 views | Keno |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:12 - Apr 21 with 588 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 21:52 - Apr 20 by bournemouthblue |
Are the Tories the right party to be bringing up Russia links when Boris literally did this and eventually ended up as PM?
Johnson met former KGB agent Alexander Lebedev in Italy in 2018 without officials present or security detail, shortly after the Salisbury poisonings.
Despite a warning from security services (MI6/GCHQ) that appointing Evgeny Lebedev to the House of Lords posed a national security risk, Johnson pushed through the appointment. |
That is entirely irrelevant. The document flags up Mandelson’s Russian links in a document seen by Starmer in November 2024.
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:20 - Apr 21 with 571 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:12 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
That is entirely irrelevant. The document flags up Mandelson’s Russian links in a document seen by Starmer in November 2024.
You’re deflecting. |
It is deflection.
But it should also be concerning that Starmer has done this in the context of that history with the Conservatives and the knowledge of Russian influence within Reform. It seems that the most likely parties of Government are all tainted with this and it should be a concern for us as a population. |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:27 - Apr 21 with 535 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:27 - Apr 20 by bluelagos |
Watching GMB this morning, Susanah Reid, Ed Balls with Kevin MacGuire and Gillian Keegan - was clear that across the board, opinion was that Starmer has royally fcked up in appointing Mandleson.
Just doesn't feel that his position is remotely tenable when the trust has broken down. Whether he intentionally lied, I doubt. But it stinks of not wanting to know/check for fear of what it would show.
And for a PM to appoint someone to a position that gets access to sensitive info, before any security checks had even taken place - is beyond irresponsible.
I think it's just a question of how long he lasts - suspect he'll hang on to the May elections and after that his own MPS will be all out to bring him down.
Feels like the end days of Johnson premiership - inexusable behaviour meaning his own party (and public) have simply lost faith in him. |
Those bloody lizards!! |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:29 - Apr 21 with 535 views | GlasgowBlue |
Miliband has just thrown Starmer under the bus on Sky News. Incredible interview.
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:41 - Apr 21 with 509 views | DJR |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 21:43 - Apr 20 by Guthrum |
cack-handed doesn't begin to sum it up. Throughout this government, they seem to been infested with exceedingly clumsy political operators. Is there nobody at the top with the gumption to say "Hang on, is this really a good idea?", or are they too engrossed in some amateur (maybe even AI-written) playbook? |
That's what come of a government with no underlying principles or narrative (remember the Ming Vase election strategy) and a faction in total control of the party where group-think leads to poor decision-making.
In addition, the current Cabinet are political lightweights compared, say, to the big beasts in the Blair government, where people and views of both the left and right of the party were tolerated and indeed encouraged. |  | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:55 - Apr 21 with 481 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:29 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Miliband has just thrown Starmer under the bus on Sky News. Incredible interview.
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Very interesting.
Pulls no punches but then phrases it in the context of people make mistakes, he's human, he's fessed up.
Struggle to see Starmer coming through this one but then he rode previous criticism out. Time will tell.
One thing is for sure, as Milliband says, it is certainly damaging. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:02 - Apr 21 with 457 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:55 - Apr 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Very interesting.
Pulls no punches but then phrases it in the context of people make mistakes, he's human, he's fessed up.
Struggle to see Starmer coming through this one but then he rode previous criticism out. Time will tell.
One thing is for sure, as Milliband says, it is certainly damaging. |
Sounded like a pitch for the leadership to me. “The Prime Minister made a mistake…….I was worried that the appointment of Mandelson would blow up……..I stayed well clear of Mandelson when I became Labour leader” | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:04 - Apr 21 with 449 views | Benters |
Thing is if they get rid of ‘No Idea Kier’ who is going to step into his shoes,they are all useless! |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:05 - Apr 21 with 452 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:02 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Sounded like a pitch for the leadership to me. “The Prime Minister made a mistake…….I was worried that the appointment of Mandelson would blow up……..I stayed well clear of Mandelson when I became Labour leader” |
Probably too obviously so and would be seen as stitching Starmer up by those who still support him (if that's a big camp - I don't know if it is). | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:09 - Apr 21 with 429 views | DJR |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:04 - Apr 21 by Benters |
Thing is if they get rid of ‘No Idea Kier’ who is going to step into his shoes,they are all useless! |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:12 - Apr 21 with 410 views | Benters |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:09 - Apr 21 by DJR |
This! |
This!
Lovely stuff. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:13 - Apr 21 with 409 views | DJR |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:02 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Sounded like a pitch for the leadership to me. “The Prime Minister made a mistake…….I was worried that the appointment of Mandelson would blow up……..I stayed well clear of Mandelson when I became Labour leader” |
I would have thought that Miliband is wise enough not to want to go there.
For what it is worth, I think it he was much better as leader than he was made out to be but it didn't help that the Blairites including people like Mandelson were hostile to him throughout his leadership. | | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:17 - Apr 21 with 399 views | DJR |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:12 - Apr 21 by Benters |
This!
Lovely stuff. |
We may come at things from different political angles but there is no hiding the fact that the current alternatives to Starmer are pretty poor and not really the answer in the sense of digging Labour out of the hole it has got itself into these last 2 years or even longer given it only got 33% of the vote. [Post edited 21 Apr 8:54]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:04 - Apr 21 with 322 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 08:13 - Apr 21 by DJR |
I would have thought that Miliband is wise enough not to want to go there.
For what it is worth, I think it he was much better as leader than he was made out to be but it didn't help that the Blairites including people like Mandelson were hostile to him throughout his leadership. |
I think the soft left will see him as a caretaker figure until they can find a way to get Burnham in the Commons.
edit. If the members are still showing Rayner is favourite then I don't see the PLP moving on Starmer. [Post edited 21 Apr 9:23]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:38 - Apr 21 with 290 views | SonOfSpock |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 07:29 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Miliband has just thrown Starmer under the bus on Sky News. Incredible interview.
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All the potential leadership contenders will start making their plays over the next week or so with the local elections likely to give Labour kicking. |  | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:41 - Apr 21 with 286 views | chicoazul |
This is so tiresome. Literally who gives a 5hit about this entire charade apart from a few London media people? It’s completely unimportant.
Immigration is down inflation is slowing we get more power from renewables than ever and people are acting like Mandy gate is at all important |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:04 - Apr 21 with 248 views | jasondozzell |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:41 - Apr 21 by chicoazul |
This is so tiresome. Literally who gives a 5hit about this entire charade apart from a few London media people? It’s completely unimportant.
Immigration is down inflation is slowing we get more power from renewables than ever and people are acting like Mandy gate is at all important |
It's important because it reveals what was always there: a hollowed out party, a corrupt and failing government, a deceitful political project with only one aim: recapturing the Labour party so the big business gravy train was kept flowing for important people who matter and to hell with real people. The Labour right, ladies and gentleman. |  | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:14 - Apr 21 with 224 views | DJR |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:41 - Apr 21 by chicoazul |
This is so tiresome. Literally who gives a 5hit about this entire charade apart from a few London media people? It’s completely unimportant.
Immigration is down inflation is slowing we get more power from renewables than ever and people are acting like Mandy gate is at all important |
It is though because it goes to the heart, and integrity, of the government.
Indeed, watching the select committee, Olly Robbins comes across with bundles more integrity than Starmer, which is something that was a large aspect of his selling point.
And what makes it particularly bad in my view is the way that a former civil servant (Stamer) has treated a {now former) civil servant, with no regard for due process. [Post edited 21 Apr 10:17]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:33 - Apr 21 with 183 views | giant_stow |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:14 - Apr 21 by DJR |
It is though because it goes to the heart, and integrity, of the government.
Indeed, watching the select committee, Olly Robbins comes across with bundles more integrity than Starmer, which is something that was a large aspect of his selling point.
And what makes it particularly bad in my view is the way that a former civil servant (Stamer) has treated a {now former) civil servant, with no regard for due process. [Post edited 21 Apr 10:17]
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Sorry if I've misunderstood all this, but it seems that Robbins has been sacked for doing what was asked of him. Starmer should remember his promises about integrity now and take the very last chance to do the decent thing and do it today. |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:36 - Apr 21 with 174 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:41 - Apr 21 by chicoazul |
This is so tiresome. Literally who gives a 5hit about this entire charade apart from a few London media people? It’s completely unimportant.
Immigration is down inflation is slowing we get more power from renewables than ever and people are acting like Mandy gate is at all important |
This party political broadcast was brought to you by the Labour Party. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:43 - Apr 21 with 165 views | DJR |
Interesting to note that the person sitting behind Robbins with the orange pass is Dave Penman General Secretary of the FDA, the union for senior civil servants of which I am a retired member.
My view is that Robbins has an open and shut case which will cost the government a hefty amount. But no doubt it will be governed by NDAs. [Post edited 21 Apr 13:09]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:00 - Apr 21 with 128 views | Benters |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 09:41 - Apr 21 by chicoazul |
This is so tiresome. Literally who gives a 5hit about this entire charade apart from a few London media people? It’s completely unimportant.
Immigration is down inflation is slowing we get more power from renewables than ever and people are acting like Mandy gate is at all important |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:02 - Apr 21 with 121 views | chicoazul |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:36 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
This party political broadcast was brought to you by the Labour Party. |
Oh yes that’s me the famed Labour shill. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:03 - Apr 21 with 116 views | chicoazul |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 10:14 - Apr 21 by DJR |
It is though because it goes to the heart, and integrity, of the government.
Indeed, watching the select committee, Olly Robbins comes across with bundles more integrity than Starmer, which is something that was a large aspect of his selling point.
And what makes it particularly bad in my view is the way that a former civil servant (Stamer) has treated a {now former) civil servant, with no regard for due process. [Post edited 21 Apr 10:17]
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Nobody outside sw1 or The rest is politics listeners could care less. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:07 - Apr 21 with 100 views | lowhouseblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:03 - Apr 21 by chicoazul |
Nobody outside sw1 or The rest is politics listeners could care less. |
sadly, that's mainly true because most people have already made their mind up about starmer. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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