| Grappling consultation 20:57 - May 12 with 935 views | monty_radio |
A consultation about excessive grappling in the penalty area and how to deal with it will take place at the end of the season, referees' chief Howard Webb says. (BBC)
Referees will be shown how to waggle their fingers to greater effect; how to make the players stand still and take their telling-off like a man and how then to retreat to a safe refereeing spot and where else to concentrate their gaze while the mayhem resumes in the goalmouth. As a final threat, everyone involved in the six yard box fracas will be kept in at half time or after the match for five minutes or until the real culprit owns up. Offenders must learn the lesson that inappropriate means inappropriate! |  |
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| Grappling consultation on 21:02 - May 12 with 880 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
On that subject can someone explain something, as I’m at a loss.
It’s been said on here, and I’ve heard the same reported by sky sports that the ref can’t do anything because the ball isn’t in play. Fair enough, get that.
If that’s the case though, can someone explain yellows and reds being dished out historically after the final whistle? The ball isn’t in play then either, but the ref is able to punish offending players. |  |
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| Grappling consultation on 21:05 - May 12 with 854 views | bsw72 |
| Grappling consultation on 21:02 - May 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
On that subject can someone explain something, as I’m at a loss.
It’s been said on here, and I’ve heard the same reported by sky sports that the ref can’t do anything because the ball isn’t in play. Fair enough, get that.
If that’s the case though, can someone explain yellows and reds being dished out historically after the final whistle? The ball isn’t in play then either, but the ref is able to punish offending players. |
Players can be disciplined for unsportsmanlike conduct or dissent or violent conduct with a card or similar while a ball is out of play but it does not result in a free kick or penalty.
Most of what occurs in the penalty area pre corner would not result in a card. |  | | |
| Grappling consultation on 21:09 - May 12 with 813 views | backwaywhen |
Ref to visit dressing rooms before KO to lay the law down ….if he or his assistant see players with arms around waist or shoulders then he will give a penalty immediately, two offences in same game player will be sent off !
It’s got too ridiculous now and resembles Grid Iron / Rugby . | | | |
| Grappling consultation on 21:15 - May 12 with 783 views | DarkBrandon |
| Grappling consultation on 21:02 - May 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
On that subject can someone explain something, as I’m at a loss.
It’s been said on here, and I’ve heard the same reported by sky sports that the ref can’t do anything because the ball isn’t in play. Fair enough, get that.
If that’s the case though, can someone explain yellows and reds being dished out historically after the final whistle? The ball isn’t in play then either, but the ref is able to punish offending players. |
There was an example on match of the day many years ago when a player had the ball near the touch line, but dribbled it out of play just before an opposing player wiped him out.
The ref (correctly) awarded a throw in as the ball was out of play, but booked the player who took him out.
Alan Shearer had no idea of the rules and gave it the full “the ref doesn’t know what he is doing” after the game. |  | | |
| Grappling consultation on 21:53 - May 12 with 656 views | jontysnut |
| Grappling consultation on 21:15 - May 12 by DarkBrandon |
There was an example on match of the day many years ago when a player had the ball near the touch line, but dribbled it out of play just before an opposing player wiped him out.
The ref (correctly) awarded a throw in as the ball was out of play, but booked the player who took him out.
Alan Shearer had no idea of the rules and gave it the full “the ref doesn’t know what he is doing” after the game. |
Presumably Shearer wasn't aware of the rules when he booted Neil Lennon in the nut when he was off the pitch. |  | | |
| Grappling consultation on 22:03 - May 12 with 628 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Grappling consultation on 21:05 - May 12 by bsw72 |
Players can be disciplined for unsportsmanlike conduct or dissent or violent conduct with a card or similar while a ball is out of play but it does not result in a free kick or penalty.
Most of what occurs in the penalty area pre corner would not result in a card. |
Surely this is the perfect scenario where a sin bin would work wonders. |  |
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| Grappling consultation on 22:18 - May 12 with 580 views | monty_radio |
| Grappling consultation on 22:03 - May 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Surely this is the perfect scenario where a sin bin would work wonders. |
The ref would have to really be on his toes to single out which offender above all deserved that sanction when they were all at it, though | |
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| Grappling consultation on 08:35 - May 13 with 415 views | Leaky |
They had a Ref. on Motd, he suggested no player's apart from the keeper be allowed in the 6 yard box until the corner was taken. be interesting experiment. |  | | |
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| Grappling consultation on 08:48 - May 13 with 385 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Grappling consultation on 21:02 - May 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
On that subject can someone explain something, as I’m at a loss.
It’s been said on here, and I’ve heard the same reported by sky sports that the ref can’t do anything because the ball isn’t in play. Fair enough, get that.
If that’s the case though, can someone explain yellows and reds being dished out historically after the final whistle? The ball isn’t in play then either, but the ref is able to punish offending players. |
Allowing free kicks with ball not in play would go a long way to sorting the issue. | |
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| Grappling consultation on 09:00 - May 13 with 365 views | soupytwist |
| Grappling consultation on 08:35 - May 13 by Leaky |
They had a Ref. on Motd, he suggested no player's apart from the keeper be allowed in the 6 yard box until the corner was taken. be interesting experiment. |
Would that not just relocate all the grappling to outside the 6-yard box with defenders trying to prevent the attackers from getting in it and the attackers desperately trying to get in? |  | | |
| Grappling consultation on 09:15 - May 13 with 350 views | monty_radio |
| Grappling consultation on 09:00 - May 13 by soupytwist |
Would that not just relocate all the grappling to outside the 6-yard box with defenders trying to prevent the attackers from getting in it and the attackers desperately trying to get in? |
fair point | |
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| Grappling consultation on 09:21 - May 13 with 337 views | Leaky |
| Grappling consultation on 09:00 - May 13 by soupytwist |
Would that not just relocate all the grappling to outside the 6-yard box with defenders trying to prevent the attackers from getting in it and the attackers desperately trying to get in? |
It would give the keeper a bit of space. However the lino would need to keep an eye the timing of players entering the 6 yard box. There again something more for VAR to get involved with. [Post edited 13 May 9:22]
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| Grappling consultation on 09:37 - May 13 with 282 views | TVRBlue |
Under the current rules the referee doesn't need to do anything when a corner is about to be taken.
What I mean by this is the referee should allow all the pushing/pulling/grappling to happen as the player who is about to take the corner kick runs up to take the kick. What the referee should then do is as soon as the corner kick is taken, and the ball is then "in play", he, or she, should award a free kick to the defending team or a penalty to the attacking team, depending on which offence he, or she, sees first.
The referee is not on the pitch to manage the game, trying to control players behaviour/actions when corners are being taken. Blowing the whistle to stop the corner from being taken and pulling players over to one side telling them to stop grappling isn't part of a referee's remit. The referee is on the pitch to apply the rules of the game, not to pre-empt player's actions.
Personally, I think this approach would greatly reduce the amount of grappling going on at corners.
Genuinely interested in others thoughts on this. |  | | |
| Grappling consultation on 09:40 - May 13 with 270 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Grappling consultation on 09:37 - May 13 by TVRBlue |
Under the current rules the referee doesn't need to do anything when a corner is about to be taken.
What I mean by this is the referee should allow all the pushing/pulling/grappling to happen as the player who is about to take the corner kick runs up to take the kick. What the referee should then do is as soon as the corner kick is taken, and the ball is then "in play", he, or she, should award a free kick to the defending team or a penalty to the attacking team, depending on which offence he, or she, sees first.
The referee is not on the pitch to manage the game, trying to control players behaviour/actions when corners are being taken. Blowing the whistle to stop the corner from being taken and pulling players over to one side telling them to stop grappling isn't part of a referee's remit. The referee is on the pitch to apply the rules of the game, not to pre-empt player's actions.
Personally, I think this approach would greatly reduce the amount of grappling going on at corners.
Genuinely interested in others thoughts on this. |
Doesn't work. It gives free reign to a player to give a good shove or grab before it's taken and then penalized the opponent for retaliating to try to regain his position as the ball comes in. | |
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| Grappling consultation on 09:54 - May 13 with 237 views | TVRBlue |
| Grappling consultation on 09:40 - May 13 by redrickstuhaart |
Doesn't work. It gives free reign to a player to give a good shove or grab before it's taken and then penalized the opponent for retaliating to try to regain his position as the ball comes in. |
Thanks for your thoughts. Maybe my way of looking at it is wrong then.
Scenario 1. If you are the attacking side, the corner is taken and an attacking player is seen to be "grappling" (once the ball is in play) the referee awards the defending team a free kick. Surely your manager/team mates etc. aren't going to be pleased that the advantage of an attacking corner is immediately lost.
Scenario 2. A defender is seen to be "grappling" once the ball is in play and the referee awards a penalty to the attacking team. Same again, the manager/players of the defending team aren't going to be happy you've just conceded a penalty.
One thing for sure is that all the effing pulling and pushing at corners continues to happen as it's currently being referee'd. | | | |
| Grappling consultation on 09:54 - May 13 with 236 views | monty_radio |
| Grappling consultation on 09:37 - May 13 by TVRBlue |
Under the current rules the referee doesn't need to do anything when a corner is about to be taken.
What I mean by this is the referee should allow all the pushing/pulling/grappling to happen as the player who is about to take the corner kick runs up to take the kick. What the referee should then do is as soon as the corner kick is taken, and the ball is then "in play", he, or she, should award a free kick to the defending team or a penalty to the attacking team, depending on which offence he, or she, sees first.
The referee is not on the pitch to manage the game, trying to control players behaviour/actions when corners are being taken. Blowing the whistle to stop the corner from being taken and pulling players over to one side telling them to stop grappling isn't part of a referee's remit. The referee is on the pitch to apply the rules of the game, not to pre-empt player's actions.
Personally, I think this approach would greatly reduce the amount of grappling going on at corners.
Genuinely interested in others thoughts on this. |
It would be immensely controversial at first, I think, especially where there is no VAR to fall back on/give some sort of justification, however poorly received. Over time, it might just work since players might become fearful that their particular misdemeanour might be the one that gets cited.
I don't think all the ex-pros commenting helps the situation because they all seem to accept some level of grabbing as within the rules, even though it actually isn't. The Refs that comment on TV don't help either, often referencing that the "contact" didn't continue for long enough etc, about which, again, the rules say nothing. | |
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| Grappling consultation on 10:13 - May 13 with 186 views | TVRBlue |
| Grappling consultation on 09:54 - May 13 by monty_radio |
It would be immensely controversial at first, I think, especially where there is no VAR to fall back on/give some sort of justification, however poorly received. Over time, it might just work since players might become fearful that their particular misdemeanour might be the one that gets cited.
I don't think all the ex-pros commenting helps the situation because they all seem to accept some level of grabbing as within the rules, even though it actually isn't. The Refs that comment on TV don't help either, often referencing that the "contact" didn't continue for long enough etc, about which, again, the rules say nothing. |
Thanks for this take on things. I agree it would be very controversial if, say, just a single ref suddenly applied the rules (as I understand them) half way through a season.
If what I'm suggesting was going to be introduced at the start of next season, and advised to all clubs in the EPL and EFL accordingly, I do wonder if it would at least reduce the amount of grappling that goes on at corners. So much of which happens a consultation about it is taking place. | | | |
| Grappling consultation on 10:14 - May 13 with 181 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Grappling consultation on 09:37 - May 13 by TVRBlue |
Under the current rules the referee doesn't need to do anything when a corner is about to be taken.
What I mean by this is the referee should allow all the pushing/pulling/grappling to happen as the player who is about to take the corner kick runs up to take the kick. What the referee should then do is as soon as the corner kick is taken, and the ball is then "in play", he, or she, should award a free kick to the defending team or a penalty to the attacking team, depending on which offence he, or she, sees first.
The referee is not on the pitch to manage the game, trying to control players behaviour/actions when corners are being taken. Blowing the whistle to stop the corner from being taken and pulling players over to one side telling them to stop grappling isn't part of a referee's remit. The referee is on the pitch to apply the rules of the game, not to pre-empt player's actions.
Personally, I think this approach would greatly reduce the amount of grappling going on at corners.
Genuinely interested in others thoughts on this. |
Absolutely this as I stated in another post last week I believe
It'd soon stop it |  |
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| Grappling consultation on 13:49 - May 13 with 26 views | FBI |
If there's clear impedance (holding back/down, rather than a bit of the usual 'afters') of the sort that would otherwise generate a yellow card, the offending player should be sent to wait on the touchline oppsite the corner until the ball is in play. Won't happen, of course. |  |
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