| Make it so on 17:54 - May 20 with 517 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Make it so on 17:18 - May 20 by DanTheMan |
I guess the argument is, would they have won if Southampton hadn't of cheated? I don't think so but it's impossible to say, which is the issue. |
Isn't this exactly what creates the legal difficulty with expulsion ...
If it's impossible to say whether the breach materially affected the outcome. That ambiguity can be used by both parties regardless of what side of the argument you sit on. |  | |  |
| Make it so on 17:57 - May 20 with 500 views | NthQldITFC |
Appeal hearing to start at 6:00pm
...6.30pm in Middlesbrough
...7.00pm in Hull
and thirsty minutes ago in Wrexham
EFL to confirm |  |
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| Make it so on 18:01 - May 20 with 486 views | MK1 |
We will finish above either of them, so doesn't really effect us. No way the FA will miss out on another payday at Wembley anyway. |  |
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| Make it so on 18:03 - May 20 with 474 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Make it so on 17:57 - May 20 by NthQldITFC |
Appeal hearing to start at 6:00pm
...6.30pm in Middlesbrough
...7.00pm in Hull
and thirsty minutes ago in Wrexham
EFL to confirm |
Is it live on Sky? |  |
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| Make it so on 18:11 - May 20 with 447 views | Herbivore |
| Make it so on 17:54 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
Isn't this exactly what creates the legal difficulty with expulsion ...
If it's impossible to say whether the breach materially affected the outcome. That ambiguity can be used by both parties regardless of what side of the argument you sit on. |
You can't prove whether they actually gained an advantage but it is evident that they sought to gain an advantage. It is cheating whether they ultimately benefited from it or not. |  |
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| Make it so on 18:14 - May 20 with 440 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Make it so on 18:11 - May 20 by Herbivore |
You can't prove whether they actually gained an advantage but it is evident that they sought to gain an advantage. It is cheating whether they ultimately benefited from it or not. |
No one disputes it's cheating.
But I believe expulsion has only ever been used as a form of punishment when the match in question has been directly impacted eg pitch invasion/ fielding and ineligible player etc. | | | |
| Make it so on 18:22 - May 20 with 413 views | Herbivore |
| Make it so on 18:14 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
No one disputes it's cheating.
But I believe expulsion has only ever been used as a form of punishment when the match in question has been directly impacted eg pitch invasion/ fielding and ineligible player etc. |
This is the first time a breach of this particular rule has been heard, so the outcome is by definition going to be unprecedented. I think the punishment is reasonable given that one of the offences occured during a knockout format that they progressed in. It doesn't matter whether they actually materially gained from it, they sought to materially gain by flagrantly breaching the rules. | |
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| Make it so on 18:31 - May 20 with 379 views | billlm |
Just get Boro and saints to play a one off game neutral ground and Boro start one up,
Or promote hull, |  | | |
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| Make it so on 18:34 - May 20 with 380 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I think someone else suggested this… |  |
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| Make it so on 18:46 - May 20 with 335 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Make it so on 17:34 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
The inept spy was caught very quickly and had Boro managed to put the ball in the back of the net, something which plagued them for the final months of the season, they would have put the game out of Southampton's reach in the first half.
I think Southampton should be punished. I don't think that Boro should be rewarded. [Post edited 20 May 17:37]
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Yep, didn't earn it on the pitch at all. | |
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| Make it so on 18:49 - May 20 with 307 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Not a huge surprise that Hull would chance their arm, given what's at stake.
You still haven't explained why Hull deserve to go up without having to play a final (the team that scraped 6th, a long way behind the rest) or why should they benefit from Southampton's cheating more than the team who actually played them. |  |
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| Make it so on 18:51 - May 20 with 311 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Make it so on 18:49 - May 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not a huge surprise that Hull would chance their arm, given what's at stake.
You still haven't explained why Hull deserve to go up without having to play a final (the team that scraped 6th, a long way behind the rest) or why should they benefit from Southampton's cheating more than the team who actually played them. |
Someone is going to benefit from this, either Boro or Hull.
I'm picking the team that won in the competition
(and who will for sure get relegated next year). | |
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| Make it so on 20:00 - May 20 with 218 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Make it so on 18:51 - May 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Someone is going to benefit from this, either Boro or Hull.
I'm picking the team that won in the competition
(and who will for sure get relegated next year). |
The difference is Boro's benefit is only getting to the final. You want Hull to benefit to the tune of £200m and the prestige of Prem football. And they didn't even play the guilty party. You're bonkers in the nut mate! | |
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| Make it so on 20:12 - May 20 with 205 views | J2BLUE |
| Make it so on 17:03 - May 20 by The_Romford_Blue |
If we’re talking about perfect scenarios… surely Boro beating Hull Saturday and then Hull win their case that they didn’t have time to prepare and both go up. 21 team prem and only 3 go down. That would surely be the best outcome for us. Albeit of course that is almost never going to happen |
Then it would have to permanently be a 21 team league which isn't going to happen. |  | | |
| Make it so on 22:36 - May 20 with 128 views | positivity |
nor did hull, finished 7 points behind boro and dodged the cheating team by not being good enough to finish 5th! | |
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| Make it so on 22:40 - May 20 with 100 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Make it so on 22:36 - May 20 by positivity |
nor did hull, finished 7 points behind boro and dodged the cheating team by not being good enough to finish 5th! |
They won their semi final, Boro didn't.
The play offs, as the EFL have clearly stated in their ruling yesterday, is a separate competition to The Championship.. | |
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| Make it so on 22:43 - May 20 with 83 views | positivity |
| Make it so on 22:40 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
They won their semi final, Boro didn't.
The play offs, as the EFL have clearly stated in their ruling yesterday, is a separate competition to The Championship.. |
they weren't cheated out of their semi final though. boro were
as a separate competition, the wronged party goes forward as with an ineligible player in the fa cup.
i'd love hull to get in the prem for purely selfish reasons, but there's no coherent, logical reason for it! | |
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