| Akpom? 16:16 - May 25 with 3999 views | gramps |
People are posting their lists of players for next season -who should stay and who should go. Interesting to note that Akpom is often not mentioned as being in either group. .What should be done about him? We need 3 forwards next year - probably Hirst and 2 others. Is Akpom going to be one of them? |  |
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| Akpom? on 16:25 - May 25 with 3427 views | jayessess |
I think the assumption is that a player who couldn't get consistent minutes for us in the Championship isn't going to be in the club's plans for next season.
Only real question is whether he's in the "keep until replaced" bucket or the "offload asap" one. |  |
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| Akpom? on 16:29 - May 25 with 3378 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 16:25 - May 25 by jayessess |
I think the assumption is that a player who couldn't get consistent minutes for us in the Championship isn't going to be in the club's plans for next season.
Only real question is whether he's in the "keep until replaced" bucket or the "offload asap" one. |
Surely your first paragraph answers the question in the second!
I would imagine we are working hard to find a club for him. A loan would probably suit both parties. He strikes me as a player who wants to be first choice somewhere but is unlikely to be at the level he is likely to want to play. He needs to work hard to prove he is worth that and, if he can while on loan, that could work out well for both parties. |  |
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| Akpom? on 16:32 - May 25 with 3367 views | jayessess |
| Akpom? on 16:29 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Surely your first paragraph answers the question in the second!
I would imagine we are working hard to find a club for him. A loan would probably suit both parties. He strikes me as a player who wants to be first choice somewhere but is unlikely to be at the level he is likely to want to play. He needs to work hard to prove he is worth that and, if he can while on loan, that could work out well for both parties. |
We tend to be a bit cautious about moving first team players on. We didn't release Freddie Ladapo until the 30th August 2024! | |
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| Akpom? on 16:34 - May 25 with 3345 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 16:32 - May 25 by jayessess |
We tend to be a bit cautious about moving first team players on. We didn't release Freddie Ladapo until the 30th August 2024! |
Or perhaps, moving on players we don't want and getting the best deal we can for them takes time!
I would be amazed and disappointed if Akpom was part of our squad this coming season. | |
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| Akpom? on 17:09 - May 25 with 3204 views | OldFart71 |
| Akpom? on 16:34 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or perhaps, moving on players we don't want and getting the best deal we can for them takes time!
I would be amazed and disappointed if Akpom was part of our squad this coming season. |
I'm with you. It was another failure along with Szmodics and Cajuste. We have a lot to offload such as Ali, Clarke, Ogbene,Muric,Slicker and maybe Palmer and that's just a few. |  | | |
| Akpom? on 17:11 - May 25 with 3188 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 17:09 - May 25 by OldFart71 |
I'm with you. It was another failure along with Szmodics and Cajuste. We have a lot to offload such as Ali, Clarke, Ogbene,Muric,Slicker and maybe Palmer and that's just a few. |
Most of those will naturally find a level that we will do deals for. We might take a hit (or maybe not with someone like Muric). Ogbene and Palmer may well be here next season, I reckon. | |
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| Wrong thread! (n/t) on 17:19 - May 25 with 3153 views | unstableblue |
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| Akpom? on 17:21 - May 25 with 3117 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Akpom? on 16:25 - May 25 by jayessess |
I think the assumption is that a player who couldn't get consistent minutes for us in the Championship isn't going to be in the club's plans for next season.
Only real question is whether he's in the "keep until replaced" bucket or the "offload asap" one. |
Offload asap I’d have thought. There’s no way we’re going into the season opener relying on him being part of things, so he may as well go now. It’s a shame it hasn’t worked out, but sometimes they don’t. |  |
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| Akpom? on 17:23 - May 25 with 3113 views | jayessess |
| Akpom? on 16:34 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or perhaps, moving on players we don't want and getting the best deal we can for them takes time!
I would be amazed and disappointed if Akpom was part of our squad this coming season. |
I don't think it's particularly that it's time-consuming to get good deals (we got no deal at all for Ladapo, it was a mutual contract termination), it's more that we tend not to offload players until their replacement is definitely in the building.
Which I assume we'll do with Akpom. We're not going to get a big enough fee to justify selling him (anything under £5m will effectively make our budget for the coming season smaller) and I imagine getting his wages covered on loan will be challenging in itself. He also covers three positions so until we've got all our strikers, 10s and left-wingers in place, I imagine he'll hang about. | |
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| Akpom? on 17:35 - May 25 with 3037 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 17:23 - May 25 by jayessess |
I don't think it's particularly that it's time-consuming to get good deals (we got no deal at all for Ladapo, it was a mutual contract termination), it's more that we tend not to offload players until their replacement is definitely in the building.
Which I assume we'll do with Akpom. We're not going to get a big enough fee to justify selling him (anything under £5m will effectively make our budget for the coming season smaller) and I imagine getting his wages covered on loan will be challenging in itself. He also covers three positions so until we've got all our strikers, 10s and left-wingers in place, I imagine he'll hang about. |
You may be right. But you don't tend to offload players in a paying them off deal until the end of a window anyway.
One thing I hadn't thought of is the fact you don't name a squad until the window has closed so there is a sense in which we could have players around until their replacements are here. I would still be surprised to see Akpom on the pitch for us next season, though. | |
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| Akpom? on 17:45 - May 25 with 2998 views | tetchris |
Very poor business by MA. Wanted to beat Birmingham to his signature so there was no clause inserted into the deal like there was with Cajuste. Based on the limited appearances and lack of goals he wasn’t worth it. Should have let Brum have him. Maybe they will be interested in taking him off our hands, probably at a loss. If Mick Court was at the club and involved in this deal then I’d have concerns about his judgement. Not sure if KM actually wanted him or whether he was just thrust onto him by MA/MC? | | | |
| Akpom? on 17:49 - May 25 with 2971 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 17:45 - May 25 by tetchris |
Very poor business by MA. Wanted to beat Birmingham to his signature so there was no clause inserted into the deal like there was with Cajuste. Based on the limited appearances and lack of goals he wasn’t worth it. Should have let Brum have him. Maybe they will be interested in taking him off our hands, probably at a loss. If Mick Court was at the club and involved in this deal then I’d have concerns about his judgement. Not sure if KM actually wanted him or whether he was just thrust onto him by MA/MC? |
That's great hindsight, though.
If Birmingham had finished second with Akpom scoring 20+ goals we would be moaning about not signing him!
I can understand why we signed him but it simply hasn't worked out. | |
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| Akpom? on 18:58 - May 25 with 2825 views | armchaircritic59 |
I'm meaning no disrespect, but I think if GH and CA are our striker numbers 2 and 3, we better get Harry Kane in :) One injury away from total disaster. |  | | |
| Akpom? on 19:57 - May 25 with 2713 views | BlueOsterClub |
Akpm was great for middlesborough. I am hoping they would want him back as part of the Haden Hackney deal. 15m plus Akpom would be nice. | | | |
| Akpom? on 09:42 - May 27 with 2155 views | darkhorse28 |
| Akpom? on 19:57 - May 25 by BlueOsterClub |
Akpm was great for middlesborough. I am hoping they would want him back as part of the Haden Hackney deal. 15m plus Akpom would be nice. |
You make Boro sound like they fell out of a cuckoo tree and smashed every branch on the way down.
They won’t want Akpom. We wont offload him in the uk, will need to be abroad, where his technical skills might mitigate his lack of running and effort.
No EFL side that’s seen him in the last two years would take him, that could afford him. Might have to be a loan out. | | | |
| Akpom? on 11:27 - May 27 with 1954 views | HighgateBlue |
| Akpom? on 17:49 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That's great hindsight, though.
If Birmingham had finished second with Akpom scoring 20+ goals we would be moaning about not signing him!
I can understand why we signed him but it simply hasn't worked out. |
And you would think that Birmingham would have been fine with the terms we signed up to - a promotion to the Premier League would have been such a fantastic outcome for them, that they could worry about the transfer fee later, if Akpom turned out to disappoint. If he didn't disappoint then it's no worry.
So if the rival bidder would take a term like that, how could Ashton have got his man if we had refused the obligation to purchase?
It was a decent deal at the time, but Akpom has been shockingly disappointing. In fact, it really has been an amazing achievement to be promoted automatically with so many attacking players massively or slightly disappointing.
But we've done it.
Now we have many squad building decisions to make. What to do with Akpom is one of them. I imagine the answer is to offload him if any kind of sensible bid comes in. A loan would represent a ridiculous loss on him, but if he's not going to play in the Prem, we can't allow the sunk cost fallacy to cause us to act any differently. He wasn't good enough last season - I can't see how on earth he can be good enough next season.
But yeah, I agree that it's not MA's fault, this one. |  | | |
| Akpom? on 11:50 - May 27 with 1852 views | Radlett_blue |
| Akpom? on 11:27 - May 27 by HighgateBlue |
And you would think that Birmingham would have been fine with the terms we signed up to - a promotion to the Premier League would have been such a fantastic outcome for them, that they could worry about the transfer fee later, if Akpom turned out to disappoint. If he didn't disappoint then it's no worry.
So if the rival bidder would take a term like that, how could Ashton have got his man if we had refused the obligation to purchase?
It was a decent deal at the time, but Akpom has been shockingly disappointing. In fact, it really has been an amazing achievement to be promoted automatically with so many attacking players massively or slightly disappointing.
But we've done it.
Now we have many squad building decisions to make. What to do with Akpom is one of them. I imagine the answer is to offload him if any kind of sensible bid comes in. A loan would represent a ridiculous loss on him, but if he's not going to play in the Prem, we can't allow the sunk cost fallacy to cause us to act any differently. He wasn't good enough last season - I can't see how on earth he can be good enough next season.
But yeah, I agree that it's not MA's fault, this one. |
people on here were excited when we nicked Akpom from Brum. to get him, we had to offer a generous deal & his agent must have convinced him that we had a great chance or promotion & triggering the deal.
He's now a sunk cost. He will be difficult to shift given his wages & THREE YEAR contract so the most likely solution is a loan, either overseas or a progressive Championship club. But Akpom would have to agree to that. |  |
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| Akpom? on 14:31 - May 27 with 1648 views | jas0999 |
I hope not.
He struggled in the Championship and highly unlikely he will be good enough for the PL.
If we want to stay up, two new strikers needed. Hirst as third. | | | |
| Akpom? on 14:55 - May 27 with 1601 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 11:50 - May 27 by Radlett_blue |
people on here were excited when we nicked Akpom from Brum. to get him, we had to offer a generous deal & his agent must have convinced him that we had a great chance or promotion & triggering the deal.
He's now a sunk cost. He will be difficult to shift given his wages & THREE YEAR contract so the most likely solution is a loan, either overseas or a progressive Championship club. But Akpom would have to agree to that. |
I think opinion was split from what I recall. I was hopeful we could get the player who scored for fun in the Championship but there were many who thought that was an outlier and were dismissive of him. | |
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| Akpom? on 15:16 - May 27 with 1526 views | hype313 |
| Akpom? on 17:49 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That's great hindsight, though.
If Birmingham had finished second with Akpom scoring 20+ goals we would be moaning about not signing him!
I can understand why we signed him but it simply hasn't worked out. |
Hoping after this season, Brum will be like kids in a sweet shop again and will look to take him off our hands. |  |
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| Akpom? on 16:23 - May 27 with 1446 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Better to loan him out next season rather than sell, for a variety of reasons but mainly selling him immediately for a loss cuts into funds we can spend this season.
I couldn't actually fault Chuba's effort last season but it just didn't work as our 10. Nor Szmodics either, recruitment in that area hasn't really worked has it? | | | |
| Akpom? on 20:43 - May 27 with 1279 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 16:23 - May 27 by burnbudgiesburn |
Better to loan him out next season rather than sell, for a variety of reasons but mainly selling him immediately for a loss cuts into funds we can spend this season.
I couldn't actually fault Chuba's effort last season but it just didn't work as our 10. Nor Szmodics either, recruitment in that area hasn't really worked has it? |
Whilst I think loaning him out and hoping he does well so that his value increases (similar to Muric) is our best option, I don't get your logic. Selling at a loss brings in money which loaning him out won't do. Loaning him likely means we continue to pay some of his wages and we would be committed to paying the rest of his contact (which we wouldn't be if we were to sell).
I think selling is unlikely to be a realistic option thanks to how poorly he performed last season. | |
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| Akpom? on 20:55 - May 27 with 1238 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Akpom? on 20:43 - May 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whilst I think loaning him out and hoping he does well so that his value increases (similar to Muric) is our best option, I don't get your logic. Selling at a loss brings in money which loaning him out won't do. Loaning him likely means we continue to pay some of his wages and we would be committed to paying the rest of his contact (which we wouldn't be if we were to sell).
I think selling is unlikely to be a realistic option thanks to how poorly he performed last season. |
I believe when we buy we can put that down as money spent spread over the length of the contract, but when we sell it goes down on the books for PSR/SCR purposes all at once. At least that was how it was explained to me.
So that 'loss' hurts our ability to spend right now.
At least thats the reasoning for not selling for a loss straight away. | | | |
| Akpom? on 22:57 - May 27 with 1061 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Akpom? on 20:55 - May 27 by burnbudgiesburn |
I believe when we buy we can put that down as money spent spread over the length of the contract, but when we sell it goes down on the books for PSR/SCR purposes all at once. At least that was how it was explained to me.
So that 'loss' hurts our ability to spend right now.
At least thats the reasoning for not selling for a loss straight away. |
Ah, I get you now. Thanks for explaining.
I don't think we will sell for a number of other reasons as outlined above too. | |
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| Akpom? on 23:28 - May 27 with 1028 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Akpom? on 20:55 - May 27 by burnbudgiesburn |
I believe when we buy we can put that down as money spent spread over the length of the contract, but when we sell it goes down on the books for PSR/SCR purposes all at once. At least that was how it was explained to me.
So that 'loss' hurts our ability to spend right now.
At least thats the reasoning for not selling for a loss straight away. |
I doubt it would be an issue. a) it’s a relatively small value, b) we already have an impairment amount noted in the previous acounts and c) we’ll get nowhere close to what we’d be able to spend under the new SCR for it to be material. | | | |
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