| 35.1C in May 20:15 - May 26 with 8602 views | NthQldITFC |
Is there anyone left who thinks we haven't completely fked our future?
If so, I'll have some of what you're on. |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 14:37 - May 27 with 1221 views | BlueSmoke |
I'll give this a read later, thanks. |  | | |
| 35.1C in May on 14:38 - May 27 with 1215 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 14:21 - May 27 by DanTheMan |
That's not really how science works at something of this scale, there would be multiple papers studying very specific things to understand how a system is working. So one might look at the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere, one might look at the concentrations in the ocean and neither would look at where that comes from.
Closest you're going to get is something like this, which is peer reviewed but not a study.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6
EDIT: If you are genuinely interested I could probably find papers on CO2 causing warming in the atmosphere and one that shows that we're the ones producing the CO2 as a separate paper.
EDIT 2: CoachRob has already posted the latter. [Post edited 27 May 14:30]
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You can surely take a wild guess at which returning troll this could be.
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| 35.1C in May on 14:43 - May 27 with 1188 views | positivity |
| 35.1C in May on 14:38 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
You can surely take a wild guess at which returning troll this could be.
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he arrived at a similar time as the other conspiracy theory loon (jewish ambulance fire was an inside job/moon landings were fake/farage is wonderful) was banned. his posting style and utter disregard for facts and experts is very similar.
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| 35.1C in May on 14:46 - May 27 with 1156 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 12:52 - May 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you sure those figures are correct?
USA produces 13.83 tons per capita. China produces 9.24 tons per capita. UK produces 4.42 tons per capita.
And of we are going per capita then China generates roughly 2.2 MWh of renewable energy per person annually whereas the UK produces 2 MWh of renewable energy per person, so not much difference. |
Those are the figures that I found earlier with a very quick look, I'll look later to confirm or amend.
The UK does pretty well in renewables so for China to be ahead using your figures shows they are doing well. I don't have much time right now but Claude seems to think that China is about 30% per capita higher in renewables than the UK. Also worth noting that China's renewable capacity is increasing by >20% annually since 2023.
Seems to be a lot of figures out there so I'll need to check more and find some root sources. It's not a UK/China thing though, my point was just saying "but China" isn't really helpful in the debate.
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| 35.1C in May on 15:44 - May 27 with 1052 views | NthQldITFC |
| 35.1C in May on 13:57 - May 27 by BlueSmoke |
You watched that quickly. |
Fair point - I didn't watch much of it at all. I sampled a few points and decided it was a load of rubbish. But you're right, that's no way to form an informed opinion on anything, ignoring 99% of the 'evidence'.
I might try to watch the whole thing later, but I've watched and read hours upon hours worth of real peer-reviewed material and seen the consensus-based hyper-critical conclusions of humanity finest minds on the subject, so I can't say I hold out much hope of learning anything from this particular youtube video. | |
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| 35.1C in May on 18:24 - May 27 with 956 views | armchaircritic59 |
| 35.1C in May on 08:27 - May 27 by Rimsy |
There's alot of climate scientists on here. You've all been fed this bs for so long you think it must be true. |
And can we all assume you've been fed your " no climate change " BS for the same amount of time? |  | | |
| 35.1C in May on 18:31 - May 27 with 940 views | eireblue |
| 35.1C in May on 14:03 - May 27 by BlueSmoke |
What part of the video specifically do you disagree with? |
Strawman argument and an irrelevant comparison in the first sentence.
Later, a simple disprovable falsehood about geologists. |  | | |
| Really?… read this on 18:40 - May 27 with 911 views | unstableblue |
| 35.1C in May on 08:27 - May 27 by Rimsy |
There's alot of climate scientists on here. You've all been fed this bs for so long you think it must be true. |
Climate change is not a “hoax” — it is one of the most thoroughly documented scientific realities in human history. The evidence is overwhelming: global temperatures are rising, glaciers and ice sheets are melting, sea levels are increasing, oceans are warming and acidifying, and extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and destructive. These facts are measured independently by scientists, universities, space agencies, and meteorological organisations across the world, including NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The scientific consensus is not “divided” — well over 97% of scientists agree that human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels, is driving modern climate change. Dismissing it as a conspiracy ignores decades of observable data, physics, chemistry, and direct real-world impacts already affecting food security, economies, ecosystems, and human lives. This is not about politics or opinion; it is about evidence, responsibility, and whether we are willing to confront reality before the consequences become irreversible. |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 18:44 - May 27 with 902 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 14:08 - May 27 by Rimsy |
Your point proves my point. Just hurl abuse at anyone that doesn't agree. Even the term 'climate denier' attempts to pigeon hole us along with 'holocaust deniers'. I could label you lot as 'climate cranks' but prefer to debate with a bit of decorum. It's just impossible to do so on here, just get shouted down. |
Didn't Phil have to ask you to stop posting anti-vaccine falsehoods?
You've not debated in any way, you've not raised points or provided evidence, you've not even attempted to debate.
What a ridiculous criticism given your posts in this thread.
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| 35.1C in May on 19:58 - May 27 with 835 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 35.1C in May on 14:08 - May 27 by Rimsy |
Your point proves my point. Just hurl abuse at anyone that doesn't agree. Even the term 'climate denier' attempts to pigeon hole us along with 'holocaust deniers'. I could label you lot as 'climate cranks' but prefer to debate with a bit of decorum. It's just impossible to do so on here, just get shouted down. |
You don't debate.
You make statements You can't support. |  | | |
| Really?… read this on 22:44 - May 27 with 761 views | BluePG |
| Really?… read this on 18:40 - May 27 by unstableblue |
Climate change is not a “hoax” — it is one of the most thoroughly documented scientific realities in human history. The evidence is overwhelming: global temperatures are rising, glaciers and ice sheets are melting, sea levels are increasing, oceans are warming and acidifying, and extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and destructive. These facts are measured independently by scientists, universities, space agencies, and meteorological organisations across the world, including NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The scientific consensus is not “divided” — well over 97% of scientists agree that human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels, is driving modern climate change. Dismissing it as a conspiracy ignores decades of observable data, physics, chemistry, and direct real-world impacts already affecting food security, economies, ecosystems, and human lives. This is not about politics or opinion; it is about evidence, responsibility, and whether we are willing to confront reality before the consequences become irreversible. |
I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then.
When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,
I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?
Having said all that, and it’s a football forum, I thought that Glenn Pennyfather was a superb player, and Kasey McAteer was cr@p. So I’m evidently wrong on a variety of things! | |
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| 35.1C in May on 23:07 - May 27 with 729 views | redrickstuhaart |
| 35.1C in May on 14:46 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
Those are the figures that I found earlier with a very quick look, I'll look later to confirm or amend.
The UK does pretty well in renewables so for China to be ahead using your figures shows they are doing well. I don't have much time right now but Claude seems to think that China is about 30% per capita higher in renewables than the UK. Also worth noting that China's renewable capacity is increasing by >20% annually since 2023.
Seems to be a lot of figures out there so I'll need to check more and find some root sources. It's not a UK/China thing though, my point was just saying "but China" isn't really helpful in the debate.
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China are massive in solar and will make a fortune by leading the way in that technology and production.
We could have been in on that, but Starmer's big green project was clobbered by financial reality and endless media attacks. | |
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| 35.1C in May on 23:30 - May 27 with 701 views | positivity |
| Really?… read this on 22:44 - May 27 by BluePG |
I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then.
When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,
I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?
Having said all that, and it’s a football forum, I thought that Glenn Pennyfather was a superb player, and Kasey McAteer was cr@p. So I’m evidently wrong on a variety of things! |
the evidence goes back way more than 50 years.
you're right that we don't have the capability to end the world, but we could make life much less difficult for humans by changing the climate in the way we are currently doing
a good explainer on sea levels is below, basically there's a lag behind temperature rises.
take a look at the extreme measures venice is already having to take to stop flooding, if you don't think that sea levels have risen. (also many of the maldive islands have already been lost) [Post edited 27 May 23:30]
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| Really?… read this on 23:31 - May 28 with 562 views | unstableblue |
| Really?… read this on 22:44 - May 27 by BluePG |
I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then.
When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,
I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?
Having said all that, and it’s a football forum, I thought that Glenn Pennyfather was a superb player, and Kasey McAteer was cr@p. So I’m evidently wrong on a variety of things! |
Can’t beat a day out at Frinton
But look sea levels are something you can scientifically and accurately measure. There’s no grey,
It’s black and white! It’s scientific fact.
Over the last 50 years sea levels around the UK have risen by 10-15cm.
The issue is that the speed of rise has accelerated. The average rate was around 1.4 to 1.9mm per year for much of the 20th century, that rate has more than doubled. Today, sea levels are rising by about 3.0 to 5.2 mm per year, meaning a large portion of the 50-year total rise has occurred just in the last two decades.
The 1953 coastal floods were a once in a lifetime storm surge - a number of factors happening exactly at the same time, very very high winds in North Atlantic, funnel of North Sea, high spring tide, poor sea defences.
By the way Frinton used to have just steps to the sea; but curved concrete defences were added to stop the increasing loss of beach huts.
Maldives spending a lot of effort to keep above water. But their water table is already salinated. They have some specific coral and sand movement features that have temporarily staved off major loss. And they’ve done massive land reclamation creating islands 2 mtrs above sea level.
Have a look at Tuvalu and the Solomon Islands. Not good.
My final point is this we had Tony Blair funded by the tech bros spewing mostly bollox the other day (his point on taxation of small business was valid) and this concept that we need to delay climate efforts for economic reasons is folly… we are already paying as a country and globe huge sums of money on climate resilience. This stuff ain’t going away, indeed it will accelerate.
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| 35.1C in May on 23:38 - May 28 with 550 views | StokieBlue |
40.3C in Mora, central Portugal today.
Nice spring day or something.
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| 35.1C in May on 23:49 - May 28 with 530 views | armchaircritic59 |
| 35.1C in May on 10:08 - May 27 by DJR |
In this country, the Met Office figures have on them a "feels like" temperature which is sometimes higher and sometimes lower than the actual temperature.
And to be honest, even though temperatures have reached around 33 where I live, I don't think it's felt exceptionally warm. Nor have I had difficulty sleeping. Indeed, the feels like temperatures predicted today are about 3 degrees lower than the actual temperature.
Another difference here is the relative lack of intensity of the sun, compared to lower latitudes such as Spain, and obviously Florida.
But humidity can be a factor too, as I found out when in New York many years ago. And I believe the many buildings in big cities can add to the heat too. [Post edited 27 May 10:19]
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Go to the Philippines if you want humidity, at night too, all year round. And just two " summers " ago they had a terrific heatwave even by their own standards of heat and humidity. Fortunately it was between 2 visits so I missed it! It's not just the UK that's been experiencing freak weather in recent times, it's all over the world and it's not just heat. It's rain, floods, drought etc. Non so blind as those who will not see. Or rather, don't want to see. | | | |
| 35.1C in May on 00:03 - May 29 with 519 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 23:49 - May 28 by armchaircritic59 |
Go to the Philippines if you want humidity, at night too, all year round. And just two " summers " ago they had a terrific heatwave even by their own standards of heat and humidity. Fortunately it was between 2 visits so I missed it! It's not just the UK that's been experiencing freak weather in recent times, it's all over the world and it's not just heat. It's rain, floods, drought etc. Non so blind as those who will not see. Or rather, don't want to see. |
The point is it's not "freak weather", it's the gradual move of historically freak weather to the norm.
Hence climate change being the more correct wordage.
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| 35.1C in May on 07:32 - May 29 with 440 views | Swansea_Blue |
Even if someone doesn’t believe the all the evidence and all the work that’s been done to date around climate change, we should be developing our renewables for no other reason that it’s the second largest growing sector in the UK after high tech. So there’s no reason to push back. It’s both good for the planet and the health of everything that lives on it (fine, don’t believe that bit if you don’t want to), but it’s also got lots more potential over what we’ve already achieved to help the UK out of the funk we’re in. |  |
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| Really?… read this on 07:38 - May 29 with 436 views | NthQldITFC |
| Really?… read this on 22:44 - May 27 by BluePG |
I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then.
When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,
I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?
Having said all that, and it’s a football forum, I thought that Glenn Pennyfather was a superb player, and Kasey McAteer was cr@p. So I’m evidently wrong on a variety of things! |
How the fk did you get an A level in geography?
Edit: Sorry, that's unnecessarily rude. I can't imagine that with an A level in geography you genuinely believe what you've written, and there's great danger and irresponsibility in that, because some who probably have a much weaker understanding in reality than you do, will jump on your bandwagon.
You've debunked your own 'opinions' at the start, and then taken a couple of ridiculous standalone instances and constructed an entire anti-scientific edifice of ignorance. As I say, it's dangerous. [Post edited 29 May 7:45]
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| 35.1C in May on 08:00 - May 29 with 405 views | Rimsy |
| 35.1C in May on 14:28 - May 27 by Bigalhunter |
Come on, you can’t be that gullible….you’ll be on here telling us Farage is a top bloke next.
Oh…
Pieces falling into place now… |
You can't help yourselves can you. Carry on having digs at anyone that doesn't agree. |  |
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| Really?… read this on 08:07 - May 29 with 384 views | StokieBlue |
| Really?… read this on 22:44 - May 27 by BluePG |
I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then.
When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,
I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?
Having said all that, and it’s a football forum, I thought that Glenn Pennyfather was a superb player, and Kasey McAteer was cr@p. So I’m evidently wrong on a variety of things! |
"I acknowledge that NASA, NOAA, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are indubitably more knowledgeable than my having an A-Level in Geography, however in 1953 we experienced chronic floods in the east of England yet there was no reference (as I believe) to ‘climate change’. They’ve not been repeated since then."
What you're referring to was an outlier event. These are always possible but by definition are an outlier from the normal distribution of events. Citing a single event such as this is fine to highlight an outlier but it's not not an argument against climate change, in fact it's an indicator of things that are increasingly likely to happen with greater frequency in the future.
An example of this would be the heating of the surface sea temperature. A hotter sea allows storms to collect more energy and thus grow larger and that is why we see more severe storms . Now you could point to the outliers and say there have always been severe storms which would be true but the issue is the severe storms are now more frequent and in many cases more severe. There is even an argument to introduce a new category of hurricane as 5 isn't granular enough anymore.
"When I take my children to Frinton in the summer, the sea is at the same level at low tide as it was when I was a child in the 1980s. And the Maldives still exist despite there being fears about their very existence twenty years ago,"
Do you actually know the sea level is the same or does it feel that way to you because it looks roughly the same and you won't know centimetres worth of difference over 50 years?
It's a common misconception that sea level rise is uniform and it's not the case, different seas and places are rising at different speeds (blue is sea level loss, yellow to red is gain).
With regards to the Maldives, it absolutely is dealing with sea level rise, there are sandbags everywhere trying to keep the sea at bay and in most cases they aren't working.
"I’m currently in the Lake District on holiday with family, 450 million years ago the area was shaped by a ‘climate change’ that we can only imagine. We take a snapshot of the past fifty years and think things are changing drastically; they may be, yet it’s a tiny microcosm of the Earth’s history, surely?"
The Lakes were originally formed by a tectonic uplift and then hundreds of millions of years later the valleys carved by glaciers. An ice age is not climate change although it can be the result of climate change but over tens of thousands of years, we are seeing the climate artificially altered over hundreds of years. They aren't comparable in any way.
You've highlighted the battle, getting people to understand that yes, events did happen in the past but climate changes means they will happen much more frequently in the future.
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| 35.1C in May on 08:18 - May 29 with 353 views | NthQldITFC |
| 35.1C in May on 08:00 - May 29 by Rimsy |
You can't help yourselves can you. Carry on having digs at anyone that doesn't agree. |
The thing is your 'doesn't agree' isn't about two different and potentially equally valid opinions in an argument.
One side is decades of scientific consensus, the conclusions of which are becoming clearer and clearer.
The other side is vested interests and people talking about 'opinions'.
Maybe you don't like 'science' and 'experts' but without them you'd be lucky if you were living in a cave and licking the walls for sustenance. | |
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| 35.1C in May on 08:22 - May 29 with 340 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 08:00 - May 29 by Rimsy |
You can't help yourselves can you. Carry on having digs at anyone that doesn't agree. |
Do you plan on adding anything to the debate in terms of opinions backed up by evidence?
Thus far all you've done is snipe at people who don't agree with you.
Why don't you have a go at countering my post.
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| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 with 304 views | Rimsy |
| 35.1C in May on 18:44 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
Didn't Phil have to ask you to stop posting anti-vaccine falsehoods?
You've not debated in any way, you've not raised points or provided evidence, you've not even attempted to debate.
What a ridiculous criticism given your posts in this thread.
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Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. | |
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| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 with 304 views | DJR |
| 35.1C in May on 23:49 - May 28 by armchaircritic59 |
Go to the Philippines if you want humidity, at night too, all year round. And just two " summers " ago they had a terrific heatwave even by their own standards of heat and humidity. Fortunately it was between 2 visits so I missed it! It's not just the UK that's been experiencing freak weather in recent times, it's all over the world and it's not just heat. It's rain, floods, drought etc. Non so blind as those who will not see. Or rather, don't want to see. |
I think you've misunderstood the point I was making. I wasn't denying climate change just pointing out that the temperature the body feels can be higher, lower or the same as the actual temperature, and this in response to someone in Florida who questioned whether we had something like the heat factor index used there.
For what it is worth, this is how the Met Office defines the feels like temperature.
"The temperatures that you normally see on our website represent the temperature of the air, but this takes no account of how we actually experience the temperature. It is our ‘feels like’ temperature that gives you a better idea about how the weather will actually feel when you step outdoors, where wind and humidity can make a big difference.
For example, in winter a strong wind can make you feel much colder than the measured temperature would indicate. Conversely on a humid day in summer it can feel uncomfortably hotter than the air temperatures would suggest on their own. The ‘feels like’ temperature takes these factors into account and should allow users to make a better assessment of conditions outdoors."
Finally, yesterday it seemed much more humid than recently and thus it felt warmer to me than the last few very hot days. [Post edited 29 May 8:49]
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