| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote 09:16 - Jun 14 with 5021 views | StokieBlue |
Now we are nearing 10 years since Brexit the vote and there is a good set of data from which we can draw some decent conclusions.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
The general conclusion is that it's been a bit of a disaster. There are some nice charts in the article but the main points are below:
- A decade later, the pound has never returned above its pre-Brexit level, hitting British holidaymakers in the pocket. From close to $1.50 against the dollar and €1.31 against the euro just after polling closed, the pound stands at $1.34 and €1.15.
- According to the Office for Budget Responsibility, the independent Treasury watchdog, the UK is on track to suffer a 4% hit to national income over a 15-year period.
- According to Bloom, employment in the UK is between 3% and 4% lower than it would have been under a remain scenario.
- Investment in the UK has fallen behind other countries by 18%
- Brexit has left the UK economy 6-8% smaller than other countries
The sooner a party can pluck up the courage to run on a pro-EU ticket the better. If eventually decide to join again without our veto and the pound then so be it.
With AI coming along, the rise in NEETs and the possible weakening of NATO, we don't need to be giving ourselves these other disadvantages as well. Not to mention a generation who have been denied the opportunities that freedom of movement would have allowed them.
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:25 - Jun 14 with 867 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:13 - Jun 14 by Trequartista |
It wasn't the main argument, it wasn't the main driver, I didn't say political treaties were a burden, your reply bears no relation at all to what I said. |
It was certainly one of the main arguments, alongside ‘we don’t want any more foreigners thank you very much’!
There was nothing significant beyond the Brexit bus, too many foreigners and millions more coming from Turkey and ‘take back control’.
Well, we fkd the economy, saw a massive increase in non-EU immigration that people have lost their sht over, and we’ve ‘taken back control’ but realised we have to align to EU regulations anyway if we want to do business with our closest and largest market. And then we’ve chosen to flex our muscles by not changing our existing EU-derived environmental and public health legislation while they’ve strengthened theirs for the benefit of their environment and population.
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:26 - Jun 14 with 864 views | StokieBlue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:13 - Jun 14 by Trequartista |
It wasn't the main argument, it wasn't the main driver, I didn't say political treaties were a burden, your reply bears no relation at all to what I said. |
If it wasn't the main driver or argument that would make the main argument financial or immigration, both of which have proven to be false as shown in the thread.
So I don't really know what your point is and I doubt anyone else does either.
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:27 - Jun 14 with 856 views | Trequartista |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:25 - Jun 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It was certainly one of the main arguments, alongside ‘we don’t want any more foreigners thank you very much’!
There was nothing significant beyond the Brexit bus, too many foreigners and millions more coming from Turkey and ‘take back control’.
Well, we fkd the economy, saw a massive increase in non-EU immigration that people have lost their sht over, and we’ve ‘taken back control’ but realised we have to align to EU regulations anyway if we want to do business with our closest and largest market. And then we’ve chosen to flex our muscles by not changing our existing EU-derived environmental and public health legislation while they’ve strengthened theirs for the benefit of their environment and population.
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I voted for remain and I appreciate people voted Leave for the wrong reasons but once we made that choice I think a Norway style option would have worked best. |  |
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 23:17 - Jun 14 with 804 views | naa |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:09 - Jun 14 by Trequartista |
European law started becoming enshrined in British law so I would call that political union |
That happened post brexit as we had to enshrine EU laws into UK laws or end up with a complete mess.
Pre brexit there was no need to do so because EU members had to follow certain laws. But those tended to be ones that a trading bloc would need |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 23:53 - Jun 14 with 778 views | armchaircritic59 |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:10 - Jun 14 by J2BLUE |
Downvoted the bit about considering taking a coin in. |
That's fair enough then, in which case I actually agree with you! |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years of Brexit on 08:41 - Jun 15 with 670 views | Leaky |
| It's approaching 10 years of Brexit on 16:35 - Jun 14 by Mullet |
Really? So you're completely unaffected by the economic hardships, cost of living, passport restrictions, right-wing hatespeech, political division and various other factors that have changed in the last decade? |
No I'm not, same about Kieron leaving, the Fararge gate nonsense, no point getting upset about things you can't do anything about. Chill enjoy life. We all a long time dead |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 09:18 - Jun 15 with 636 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 22:26 - Jun 14 by StokieBlue |
If it wasn't the main driver or argument that would make the main argument financial or immigration, both of which have proven to be false as shown in the thread.
So I don't really know what your point is and I doubt anyone else does either.
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This is comment from the FT website today, you can see the scope for confusion in comparing with the OP link to the Guardian:
Some relevant facts:
1. We have tariff and quota free access to the Single Market. The EU itself acknowledges that we obtained the best terms of any trade deal it has ever done.
2. The volume of the UK’s exports of goods and services to the EU in 2025 was 18% higher than in 2015.
3. Services exports now make up around 60% of all UK exports. Those sources of swivel-eyed little Englander Brexit propaganda, Mario Draghi and the ECB, have said that intra-EU barriers to trade in services are equivalent to tariffs of more than 100%, so it is not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports.
4. The UK’s services exports to the EU in 2025 were 54% higher in volume terms than they were in 2015. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have been harmed by Brexit.
5. Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999. Our exporters are shifting resources to more lucrative markets with better growth prospects than the EU.
6. UK net payments to the EU in 2025 were £1.6 billion compared to £14.4 billion in 2020. We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit.
7. When the UK was still a member of the EU, from 2000-2019 our exports of goods to the EU grew by 0.8% per year. By contrast, our exports to the rest of the world grew by 3.4% per year. The size and proximity of the Single Market did not prevent our exports to non-EU destinations growing dramatically faster than those to the EU.
8. Rejoining the EU’s Customs Union would mean that the UK would have to impose the EU’s common tariffs on non-EU exports. I’m sure that all those who have been rightly critical of Trump’s tariff policies would agree that this would not be a good thing for the UK economy and UK consumers.
9. Given the anaemic growth of the EU economy, its importance to global trade is likely to diminish in future. It makes no sense to align our trading policies to those of a rapidly declining power. Instead we should continue to use the freedom that Brexit has given us to craft our own independent trade and regulatory policies in our own best interests.
10. The United Kingdom was the world's third-largest destination for newly announced FDI projects between 2022 and 2025 - behind the United States and India, up from fourth place in 2015–19. Inflation-adjusted inflows averaged about $85 billion a year, 40% higher than before the COVID-19 pandemic and stronger than a 20% increase in global announced FDI. By comparison, France and Germany attracted averages of $45 billion and $43 billion.
11. In the ten years since the Brexit referendum, UK exports grew by 45%. By contrast, the exports of Italy, France and Germany grew by 42%, 37% and 31% respectively.
12. Between 2015 and 2025, total UK exports in real terms increased by 23%, compared to GDP growth of 14%. Exports to non-EU countries grew by nearly 27% during this period. | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 10:53 - Jun 15 with 563 views | Rimsy |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 09:18 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
This is comment from the FT website today, you can see the scope for confusion in comparing with the OP link to the Guardian:
Some relevant facts:
1. We have tariff and quota free access to the Single Market. The EU itself acknowledges that we obtained the best terms of any trade deal it has ever done.
2. The volume of the UK’s exports of goods and services to the EU in 2025 was 18% higher than in 2015.
3. Services exports now make up around 60% of all UK exports. Those sources of swivel-eyed little Englander Brexit propaganda, Mario Draghi and the ECB, have said that intra-EU barriers to trade in services are equivalent to tariffs of more than 100%, so it is not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports.
4. The UK’s services exports to the EU in 2025 were 54% higher in volume terms than they were in 2015. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have been harmed by Brexit.
5. Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999. Our exporters are shifting resources to more lucrative markets with better growth prospects than the EU.
6. UK net payments to the EU in 2025 were £1.6 billion compared to £14.4 billion in 2020. We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit.
7. When the UK was still a member of the EU, from 2000-2019 our exports of goods to the EU grew by 0.8% per year. By contrast, our exports to the rest of the world grew by 3.4% per year. The size and proximity of the Single Market did not prevent our exports to non-EU destinations growing dramatically faster than those to the EU.
8. Rejoining the EU’s Customs Union would mean that the UK would have to impose the EU’s common tariffs on non-EU exports. I’m sure that all those who have been rightly critical of Trump’s tariff policies would agree that this would not be a good thing for the UK economy and UK consumers.
9. Given the anaemic growth of the EU economy, its importance to global trade is likely to diminish in future. It makes no sense to align our trading policies to those of a rapidly declining power. Instead we should continue to use the freedom that Brexit has given us to craft our own independent trade and regulatory policies in our own best interests.
10. The United Kingdom was the world's third-largest destination for newly announced FDI projects between 2022 and 2025 - behind the United States and India, up from fourth place in 2015–19. Inflation-adjusted inflows averaged about $85 billion a year, 40% higher than before the COVID-19 pandemic and stronger than a 20% increase in global announced FDI. By comparison, France and Germany attracted averages of $45 billion and $43 billion.
11. In the ten years since the Brexit referendum, UK exports grew by 45%. By contrast, the exports of Italy, France and Germany grew by 42%, 37% and 31% respectively.
12. Between 2015 and 2025, total UK exports in real terms increased by 23%, compared to GDP growth of 14%. Exports to non-EU countries grew by nearly 27% during this period. |
Oh dear, you've done it now. Posting facts that show the positive side of brexit. All the lefties on here won't know which way to turn.
And all these positives with the background of the establishment doing their hardest to derail it, from the day of the vote. Imagine what a runaway success it would be if everyone accepted the result and got on with it. |  |
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:05 - Jun 15 with 547 views | grow_our_own |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 09:18 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
This is comment from the FT website today, you can see the scope for confusion in comparing with the OP link to the Guardian:
Some relevant facts:
1. We have tariff and quota free access to the Single Market. The EU itself acknowledges that we obtained the best terms of any trade deal it has ever done.
2. The volume of the UK’s exports of goods and services to the EU in 2025 was 18% higher than in 2015.
3. Services exports now make up around 60% of all UK exports. Those sources of swivel-eyed little Englander Brexit propaganda, Mario Draghi and the ECB, have said that intra-EU barriers to trade in services are equivalent to tariffs of more than 100%, so it is not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports.
4. The UK’s services exports to the EU in 2025 were 54% higher in volume terms than they were in 2015. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have been harmed by Brexit.
5. Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999. Our exporters are shifting resources to more lucrative markets with better growth prospects than the EU.
6. UK net payments to the EU in 2025 were £1.6 billion compared to £14.4 billion in 2020. We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit.
7. When the UK was still a member of the EU, from 2000-2019 our exports of goods to the EU grew by 0.8% per year. By contrast, our exports to the rest of the world grew by 3.4% per year. The size and proximity of the Single Market did not prevent our exports to non-EU destinations growing dramatically faster than those to the EU.
8. Rejoining the EU’s Customs Union would mean that the UK would have to impose the EU’s common tariffs on non-EU exports. I’m sure that all those who have been rightly critical of Trump’s tariff policies would agree that this would not be a good thing for the UK economy and UK consumers.
9. Given the anaemic growth of the EU economy, its importance to global trade is likely to diminish in future. It makes no sense to align our trading policies to those of a rapidly declining power. Instead we should continue to use the freedom that Brexit has given us to craft our own independent trade and regulatory policies in our own best interests.
10. The United Kingdom was the world's third-largest destination for newly announced FDI projects between 2022 and 2025 - behind the United States and India, up from fourth place in 2015–19. Inflation-adjusted inflows averaged about $85 billion a year, 40% higher than before the COVID-19 pandemic and stronger than a 20% increase in global announced FDI. By comparison, France and Germany attracted averages of $45 billion and $43 billion.
11. In the ten years since the Brexit referendum, UK exports grew by 45%. By contrast, the exports of Italy, France and Germany grew by 42%, 37% and 31% respectively.
12. Between 2015 and 2025, total UK exports in real terms increased by 23%, compared to GDP growth of 14%. Exports to non-EU countries grew by nearly 27% during this period. |
"Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999" - completely false. It's still 41% currently ( https://commonslibrary.parliam ), showing that your "shifting resources" to "lucrative" markets did not happen. Trade just become much lower in value than it'd otherwise have been according to the OBR. Hence the 4% hit to the economy. Or £132 billion per year.
"not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports" - join the EU and push for better SM services integration. We had the second biggest influence in the EU before we left.
"We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit." - no we aren't. We're still paying off the £30bn exit fees.
Some of these figures are inaccurate, eg some absolute £ billion numbers aren't real. Ie aren't inflation-adjusted.
In short, the usual Brexit guff. There's zero case for staying out. [Post edited 15 Jun 11:09]
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:30 - Jun 15 with 505 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:05 - Jun 15 by grow_our_own |
"Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999" - completely false. It's still 41% currently ( https://commonslibrary.parliam ), showing that your "shifting resources" to "lucrative" markets did not happen. Trade just become much lower in value than it'd otherwise have been according to the OBR. Hence the 4% hit to the economy. Or £132 billion per year.
"not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports" - join the EU and push for better SM services integration. We had the second biggest influence in the EU before we left.
"We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit." - no we aren't. We're still paying off the £30bn exit fees.
Some of these figures are inaccurate, eg some absolute £ billion numbers aren't real. Ie aren't inflation-adjusted.
In short, the usual Brexit guff. There's zero case for staying out. [Post edited 15 Jun 11:09]
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I'm not at all tribal, but the Guardian article is absolutely written for it's audience.
Plenty of stats can be picked to support either argument, that's the nature of economics. As I posted higher in the chat, compare UK, French and German growth since 2015 or provide causation analysis of the 'facts' raised in the article.
Also (not that you have said so) but Brexit is not a left/right issue | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:32 - Jun 15 with 498 views | hype313 |
Nothing but a complete unmitigated disaster, without any benefit whatsoever.
But it pleases the unwashed. [Post edited 15 Jun 11:35]
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:37 - Jun 15 with 483 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:32 - Jun 15 by hype313 |
Nothing but a complete unmitigated disaster, without any benefit whatsoever.
But it pleases the unwashed. [Post edited 15 Jun 11:35]
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Who are the unwashed? | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:49 - Jun 15 with 462 views | grow_our_own |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:30 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
I'm not at all tribal, but the Guardian article is absolutely written for it's audience.
Plenty of stats can be picked to support either argument, that's the nature of economics. As I posted higher in the chat, compare UK, French and German growth since 2015 or provide causation analysis of the 'facts' raised in the article.
Also (not that you have said so) but Brexit is not a left/right issue |
"Plenty of stats can be picked to support either argument, that's the nature of economics....Guardian article is absolutely written for it's audience" - but you haven't cited any inaccuracies in the Guardian article. I've cited inaccuracies in your points. Some of them are flat wrong. Objectively wrong. Just like "£350m" on the side of the bus was. There really aren't two sides to the Brexit economic debate. On balance, factoring everything, it's significantly hurt our economy. You can cherry pick small areas that have improved, but they're massively, massively outweighed by harm. The OBR have no skin in the game, and are the foremost experts here. | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:09 - Jun 15 with 432 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 11:49 - Jun 15 by grow_our_own |
"Plenty of stats can be picked to support either argument, that's the nature of economics....Guardian article is absolutely written for it's audience" - but you haven't cited any inaccuracies in the Guardian article. I've cited inaccuracies in your points. Some of them are flat wrong. Objectively wrong. Just like "£350m" on the side of the bus was. There really aren't two sides to the Brexit economic debate. On balance, factoring everything, it's significantly hurt our economy. You can cherry pick small areas that have improved, but they're massively, massively outweighed by harm. The OBR have no skin in the game, and are the foremost experts here. |
I’m not citing inaccuracies because there aren’t any. However, correlation and causation are not the same thing and my point remains about the choice of statistics to support an argument. There are plenty of articles and analysis that give an alternative view.
Is the UKs complicate performance since Brexit and outlier? And if it is, is there a causal reason? | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:19 - Jun 15 with 405 views | grow_our_own |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:09 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
I’m not citing inaccuracies because there aren’t any. However, correlation and causation are not the same thing and my point remains about the choice of statistics to support an argument. There are plenty of articles and analysis that give an alternative view.
Is the UKs complicate performance since Brexit and outlier? And if it is, is there a causal reason? |
So our trade is much worse off since Brexit, but this hasn't caused? Since we erected trade barriers with the biggest trading block in the world on our doorstep? Of course this has caused. The OBR say our trade is 15% worse-off since Brexit, and that's 4% of the economy.
A 4% hit to the UK economy is equivalent to the annual income of about 3 million full-time British workers. Flushed down the toilet. [Post edited 15 Jun 14:12]
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:31 - Jun 15 with 375 views | StokieBlue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 09:18 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
This is comment from the FT website today, you can see the scope for confusion in comparing with the OP link to the Guardian:
Some relevant facts:
1. We have tariff and quota free access to the Single Market. The EU itself acknowledges that we obtained the best terms of any trade deal it has ever done.
2. The volume of the UK’s exports of goods and services to the EU in 2025 was 18% higher than in 2015.
3. Services exports now make up around 60% of all UK exports. Those sources of swivel-eyed little Englander Brexit propaganda, Mario Draghi and the ECB, have said that intra-EU barriers to trade in services are equivalent to tariffs of more than 100%, so it is not clear how closer alignment with the Single Market would help our services exports.
4. The UK’s services exports to the EU in 2025 were 54% higher in volume terms than they were in 2015. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have been harmed by Brexit.
5. Exports of goods and services to the EU make up less than 20% of total UK exports, half the share they had in 1999. Our exporters are shifting resources to more lucrative markets with better growth prospects than the EU.
6. UK net payments to the EU in 2025 were £1.6 billion compared to £14.4 billion in 2020. We are saving at least £12 billion every year due to Brexit.
7. When the UK was still a member of the EU, from 2000-2019 our exports of goods to the EU grew by 0.8% per year. By contrast, our exports to the rest of the world grew by 3.4% per year. The size and proximity of the Single Market did not prevent our exports to non-EU destinations growing dramatically faster than those to the EU.
8. Rejoining the EU’s Customs Union would mean that the UK would have to impose the EU’s common tariffs on non-EU exports. I’m sure that all those who have been rightly critical of Trump’s tariff policies would agree that this would not be a good thing for the UK economy and UK consumers.
9. Given the anaemic growth of the EU economy, its importance to global trade is likely to diminish in future. It makes no sense to align our trading policies to those of a rapidly declining power. Instead we should continue to use the freedom that Brexit has given us to craft our own independent trade and regulatory policies in our own best interests.
10. The United Kingdom was the world's third-largest destination for newly announced FDI projects between 2022 and 2025 - behind the United States and India, up from fourth place in 2015–19. Inflation-adjusted inflows averaged about $85 billion a year, 40% higher than before the COVID-19 pandemic and stronger than a 20% increase in global announced FDI. By comparison, France and Germany attracted averages of $45 billion and $43 billion.
11. In the ten years since the Brexit referendum, UK exports grew by 45%. By contrast, the exports of Italy, France and Germany grew by 42%, 37% and 31% respectively.
12. Between 2015 and 2025, total UK exports in real terms increased by 23%, compared to GDP growth of 14%. Exports to non-EU countries grew by nearly 27% during this period. |
That's a comment, not an article and doesn't contain a single source for any of the data. Some of the numbers and conclusions look quite suspect.
Can you post the actually article if it exists? Are the sources cited?
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| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:37 - Jun 15 with 367 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:19 - Jun 15 by grow_our_own |
So our trade is much worse off since Brexit, but this hasn't caused? Since we erected trade barriers with the biggest trading block in the world on our doorstep? Of course this has caused. The OBR say our trade is 15% worse-off since Brexit, and that's 4% of the economy.
A 4% hit to the UK economy is equivalent to the annual income of about 3 million full-time British workers. Flushed down the toilet. [Post edited 15 Jun 14:12]
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That isn’t a causal argument at all. It’s a correlation.
I tend to agree with you that barriers to trade would have been a factor in declining trade, I’m just not so sure the article is very accepting of that nuance.
Although the Boris bus thing was trial BS (or political positioning as you may accept) it’s noticeable that the increase in NHS spending is way higher than the promise on the bus!
I suspect our increase in the number of people who are economically inactive compared to France and Germany is a fairly big factor too. Do you think Brexit is the cause of that? (It’s a question by the way, not a provocation) | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:37 - Jun 15 with 367 views | brazil1982 |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 10:53 - Jun 15 by Rimsy |
Oh dear, you've done it now. Posting facts that show the positive side of brexit. All the lefties on here won't know which way to turn.
And all these positives with the background of the establishment doing their hardest to derail it, from the day of the vote. Imagine what a runaway success it would be if everyone accepted the result and got on with it. |
They'll be labelled far right soon. |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:55 - Jun 15 with 345 views | eireblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:31 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
That's a comment, not an article and doesn't contain a single source for any of the data. Some of the numbers and conclusions look quite suspect.
Can you post the actually article if it exists? Are the sources cited?
SB |
The first sentence is disingenuous.
“To export tariff-free under the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, goods must meet the UK-EU preferential rules of origin. This means that there must be a qualifying level of processing in the country of export to access zero tariffs.”
Which of course means additional costs, customs filings etc compared to simple trading in the single market.
If the first sentence is disingenuous at best, not sure if the rest of the commentary will be equally flawed |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 13:05 - Jun 15 with 321 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:55 - Jun 15 by eireblue |
The first sentence is disingenuous.
“To export tariff-free under the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, goods must meet the UK-EU preferential rules of origin. This means that there must be a qualifying level of processing in the country of export to access zero tariffs.”
Which of course means additional costs, customs filings etc compared to simple trading in the single market.
If the first sentence is disingenuous at best, not sure if the rest of the commentary will be equally flawed |
The UK does have tariff free and quota free access. Doesn’t it?
Agree with you on trade barriers mentioned | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 13:37 - Jun 15 with 274 views | MattinLondon |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 10:53 - Jun 15 by Rimsy |
Oh dear, you've done it now. Posting facts that show the positive side of brexit. All the lefties on here won't know which way to turn.
And all these positives with the background of the establishment doing their hardest to derail it, from the day of the vote. Imagine what a runaway success it would be if everyone accepted the result and got on with it. |
Imagine what a runaway success the UK would’ve had in the EU if those Euroseptic MPs just got on with it instead of complaining for decades. |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 13:56 - Jun 15 with 248 views | grow_our_own |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 13:37 - Jun 15 by MattinLondon |
Imagine what a runaway success the UK would’ve had in the EU if those Euroseptic MPs just got on with it instead of complaining for decades. |
Yes but one of them wouldn't have become PM, and another one would not be odds-on favourite to be PM in the next govt. Power was their only goal, and Brexit was a success for them. They and maybe Vladimir Putin were the only winners in this clusterf#ck of lies and idiocy. We and the rest of the country lost. | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 14:01 - Jun 15 with 241 views | BlueNomad |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 10:53 - Jun 15 by Rimsy |
Oh dear, you've done it now. Posting facts that show the positive side of brexit. All the lefties on here won't know which way to turn.
And all these positives with the background of the establishment doing their hardest to derail it, from the day of the vote. Imagine what a runaway success it would be if everyone accepted the result and got on with it. |
You do know Jeremy Corbyn voted leave don’t you? He’s not well known for being on the right………. |  | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 14:35 - Jun 15 with 214 views | eireblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 13:05 - Jun 15 by balcombeblue |
The UK does have tariff free and quota free access. Doesn’t it?
Agree with you on trade barriers mentioned |
No.
Goods that meet the rules are quota and tariff free.
If the UK was in the single market, I could import from China and India say, pay appropriate tariffs, sell to anyone in the EU. That is single market. Single rules to get goods into the market.
But the deal we have is, if I import stuff from China and India, I cannot sell that tariff free into the EU.
An example of that is many bicycle manufactures use Taiwan to manufacture the frames. The same factory that will produce a 4000 GBP frame for the UK market will produce roughly the same quality frame for a lot less. So if I have a cycling business, creating bicycles based on Taiwanese sourced frames, I cannot sell them tariff free. Pinarello, can create a bicycle in Italy, using a Taiwanese frame, and sell tariff free to France.
A UK manufacturer, doing the same thing, using the same supply chain, will pay a tariff to sell in France. So, the UK manufacturer is at a disadvantage.
So the first sentence is misleading. Now since someone has put a lot of effort into that article, and this stuff is fairly easy to know and research, I would suggest that the author is being disingenuous.
If thats how it starts,….. | | | |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 14:58 - Jun 15 with 194 views | balcombeblue |
| It's approaching 10 years since the Brexit vote on 12:31 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
That's a comment, not an article and doesn't contain a single source for any of the data. Some of the numbers and conclusions look quite suspect.
Can you post the actually article if it exists? Are the sources cited?
SB |
Appreciate it’s a comment, not an article.
Are you in agreement regarding the principle of causation?
Note that all the comparisons in the guardian article include the US, Canada and Japan and are weighted by GDP to help disguise the worse performance of Germany, France and Italy.
Disingenuous? | | | |
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