| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! 22:05 - Jun 14 with 2522 views | unstableblue |
I put up the below squad recruitment need a while back. Think it’s pretty much the consensus.
10 new players. Only 4 current players deemed good enough.
If we’re going for some quality, and experience, maybe going abroad for the new manager.
Isn’t this situation a bit of an issue? a project that looks too difficult.
I’m sure our ‘new’ recruitment director has a good list of targets to share in the interview.
But the new boss will want to stamp their own authority on the new players in the plan.
In summary is our current squad quality going to turn off some desirable managers? Or is it actually a positive as the new guy can stamp his identity and get his type of players in.
What is for certain, we need the new manager in very soon, as this squad gap is large and needs filling and we won’t sign anyone without the new guy in place.
GK - XX, Walton, Palmer*
LB - Davis, XX
LCB - XX, Greaves
RCB - OShea, Kipre
RB - XX, Furlong
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst |  |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:13 - Jun 14 with 2159 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
Who ever comes in has a lot to do and that is putting it mildly. They will be earning their £100k a week for sure.
That squad by August will look VERY different mind. |  | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:16 - Jun 14 with 2121 views | grow_our_own |
Agree with:
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst
I think one of Kipre or Greaves will be up to it. I think Walton is, maybe Palmer too. Furlong was outstanding this season and balanced well with our attacking left side. Let's say we'll spend 100-120m this summer. With that, by my reckoning, we'll need five first choicers, and 2-3 squad players. Tough to buy Prem standard players for much less than £20m these days. I think we should focus our spending where it's really needed, rather than dilute the quality. Defence & keeper were strong this season. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:20]
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:19 - Jun 14 with 2076 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:16 - Jun 14 by grow_our_own |
Agree with:
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst
I think one of Kipre or Greaves will be up to it. I think Walton is, maybe Palmer too. Furlong was outstanding this season and balanced well with our attacking left side. Let's say we'll spend 100-120m this summer. With that, by my reckoning, we'll need five first choicers, and 2-3 squad players. Tough to buy Prem standard players for much less than £20m these days. I think we should focus our spending where it's really needed, rather than dilute the quality. Defence & keeper were strong this season. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:20]
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Walton is too slow with distribution for that league, we are too predicable playing out from the back and teams click on to this as he is not good enough with his feet. Good shot stopper though. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:25 - Jun 14 with 2007 views | grow_our_own |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:19 - Jun 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Walton is too slow with distribution for that league, we are too predicable playing out from the back and teams click on to this as he is not good enough with his feet. Good shot stopper though. |
I thought his distribution was markedly improved. Not as good as Hladky's, but factoring Walton's better shot-stopping & cross management, I think he's good enough. Bear in mind that our keepers were told to hold the ball and lure in the press, which explains some perception of slowness. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:26]
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 03:32 - Jun 15 with 1752 views | Olcol |
The right manager should be excited with the possibility of attracting top talent and keeping us up. That's what we need. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 06:21 - Jun 15 with 1592 views | PioneerBlue |
Its a clean slate opportunity for me. Its almost unheard of to be able to walk in at this level and have quite such a clear deck. The challenge is the same for all. Its going to be hard to fully construct this team until late Aug due to the world cup and our new promotion status. Thats where the more solid under squad this time around should help a bit as we return from the summer but no one is underestimating the scale of the task.
I would be really surprised for a fresh face to take this but there could be two routes, the more experienced manager is less likely to love the idea of a yoyo if thats how it turns out to be, a younger or new manager to UK could be cutting their teeth at PL level then need to do exactly the same next season. The more i look at it this it is a high risk moment for us that is a multi season decision unless we want to be revisiting this topic in 12 months time.
If we do stay up, the new manager will have bedded in and got the team functioning quickly. The negative side of this is what a difficult time to come and start your career at ITFC because you are likely looking at a losing more than you win.
Whoever comes in we need a serge mentality this season, not the PL tourist one we seemed to adopt for obvious reasons last time.
Coyb
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 06:28 - Jun 15 with 1567 views | PioneerBlue |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 06:46 - Jun 15 with 1481 views | Vic |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:19 - Jun 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Walton is too slow with distribution for that league, we are too predicable playing out from the back and teams click on to this as he is not good enough with his feet. Good shot stopper though. |
I think we played with a lot more variation last season than before. Wales often went long. I'm not sure that we are as predictable as when we started in the Prem last time. |  |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 07:02 - Jun 15 with 1444 views | Churchman |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:16 - Jun 14 by grow_our_own |
Agree with:
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst
I think one of Kipre or Greaves will be up to it. I think Walton is, maybe Palmer too. Furlong was outstanding this season and balanced well with our attacking left side. Let's say we'll spend 100-120m this summer. With that, by my reckoning, we'll need five first choicers, and 2-3 squad players. Tough to buy Prem standard players for much less than £20m these days. I think we should focus our spending where it's really needed, rather than dilute the quality. Defence & keeper were strong this season. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:20]
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I agree with this. Focus quality spending where it’s really needed. Especially centre midfield, and centre forward along with somebody on the right.
I think the importance of team and continuity is underestimated sometimes. It was very noticeable the difference in the speed we were moving the ball at the end of the season compared to the beginning and that only comes from people playing and getting to know each other.
It was also noticeable that with a virtually a new team in the Premier last time how much of the ‘team’ element was lost. Very much key was the poor acquisitions in midfield. It left the forwards with scraps to feed off and a defence under constant pressure.
With regard to the task of the new manager, it’s huge. But it is a fabulous opportunity given there are not many Premier League jobs.
How about Paul Lambert and Roy Keane renewing their Aston Villa partnership? Dortmund videos and madness dream team. |  | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:03 - Jun 15 with 1224 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I wouldn't see it as an elephant in the room, more a massive opportunity.
Our net spend this summer will put us in the top 15/20 globally.
That alongside starting before pre-season should convince any manager that they have the time and the budget to implement a style of play with the type of players that they want.
That blank slate should allow us to recruit a higher quality manager. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:24 - Jun 15 with 1151 views | baxterbasics |
Your headline/title is giving me a headache trying to understand it. |  |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:25 - Jun 15 with 1147 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:24 - Jun 15 by baxterbasics |
Your headline/title is giving me a headache trying to understand it. |
I've tried reading it backwards but I'm still struggling |  |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:34 - Jun 15 with 1093 views | franz_tyson |
I think even if Kieran was still here, recruitment would be number 1 priority.
We basically need a new squad. And, based on last time, I don't think Kieran was very good in getting a completely new squad up to speed in the PL. He'd be much better taking over an established PL team.
How's this going to work? Has Ashton and his recruitment team already got a list and they'll fit the new manager to those players OR the other way around where the new manager has his own ideas and gives them to the recruitment team. Or .... there isn't really a structure ie recruitment gets the players, manager told to get them playing. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:41 - Jun 15 with 1044 views | hsg78 |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:16 - Jun 14 by grow_our_own |
Agree with:
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst
I think one of Kipre or Greaves will be up to it. I think Walton is, maybe Palmer too. Furlong was outstanding this season and balanced well with our attacking left side. Let's say we'll spend 100-120m this summer. With that, by my reckoning, we'll need five first choicers, and 2-3 squad players. Tough to buy Prem standard players for much less than £20m these days. I think we should focus our spending where it's really needed, rather than dilute the quality. Defence & keeper were strong this season. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:20]
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£100-£120m doesn't even touch the sides.
I fully expect the club to spend £250m+ with a floor of £20m on new signings, Goalkeeper aside. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:57 - Jun 15 with 948 views | tractorboy1978 |
We will be a fair way down the line on targets now I would think so I guess we don't want to have to pivot too much. I would say the choice of new manager needs to be led by the players we are looking to sign rather than the other way around. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:05 - Jun 15 with 895 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:41 - Jun 15 by hsg78 |
£100-£120m doesn't even touch the sides.
I fully expect the club to spend £250m+ with a floor of £20m on new signings, Goalkeeper aside. |
Do you truly believe we'll be spending £250m+ ? | |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:07 - Jun 15 with 878 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 08:57 - Jun 15 by tractorboy1978 |
We will be a fair way down the line on targets now I would think so I guess we don't want to have to pivot too much. I would say the choice of new manager needs to be led by the players we are looking to sign rather than the other way around. |
This is the most important decision the club has ever made.
Why would we deliberately back ourselves into a corner where we have to hire a specific type of manager to fit a shortlist of players? We didn't do that five years ago and we absolutely shouldn't do it now.
Get the managerial appointment right. Hire an outstanding coach with a clear vision, strong network and proven recruitment track record, and the players and wider strategy will follow from there. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:16 - Jun 15 with 812 views | hsg78 |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:05 - Jun 15 by Metal_Hacker |
Do you truly believe we'll be spending £250m+ ? |
Yes I do. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:18 - Jun 15 with 792 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:05 - Jun 15 by Metal_Hacker |
Do you truly believe we'll be spending £250m+ ? |
To buy 8 - 10 new players would be in that region sure.
Look, it all depends on if the only plan is to stay up, if the plan is to let the new manager build a squad and style of play this season then it will take off a lot of pressure on the recruitment. It seems to be general consensus that if we go into the season with the current crop we would struggle.
Any business of any size would right now be sat in a meeting saying how do we manage so many outcomes, it's well difficult to fix long term and patch up short term. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:20 - Jun 15 with 776 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:07 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
This is the most important decision the club has ever made.
Why would we deliberately back ourselves into a corner where we have to hire a specific type of manager to fit a shortlist of players? We didn't do that five years ago and we absolutely shouldn't do it now.
Get the managerial appointment right. Hire an outstanding coach with a clear vision, strong network and proven recruitment track record, and the players and wider strategy will follow from there. |
Weeks (and probably more like months) of work will have gone into planning our recruitment this summer to suit McKenna. Very dangerous to pivot too far away from what we have prepared for and were planning to do IMO.
You need a manager that fits the strategy of the club. That is how the most successful clubs operate. Where we were 5 years ago and where we are now are chalk and cheese and not even remotely comparable. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:22]
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:32 - Jun 15 with 674 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:16 - Jun 15 by hsg78 |
Yes I do. |
if unsuccessful, that would bankrupt the club ...
You'd be committing to £50M per year in amortised fees alone. If the worst happened the first year parachute payment would just about cover it, then you'd be in a complete mess. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:33]
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:38 - Jun 15 with 638 views | Lion |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 06:21 - Jun 15 by PioneerBlue |
Its a clean slate opportunity for me. Its almost unheard of to be able to walk in at this level and have quite such a clear deck. The challenge is the same for all. Its going to be hard to fully construct this team until late Aug due to the world cup and our new promotion status. Thats where the more solid under squad this time around should help a bit as we return from the summer but no one is underestimating the scale of the task.
I would be really surprised for a fresh face to take this but there could be two routes, the more experienced manager is less likely to love the idea of a yoyo if thats how it turns out to be, a younger or new manager to UK could be cutting their teeth at PL level then need to do exactly the same next season. The more i look at it this it is a high risk moment for us that is a multi season decision unless we want to be revisiting this topic in 12 months time.
If we do stay up, the new manager will have bedded in and got the team functioning quickly. The negative side of this is what a difficult time to come and start your career at ITFC because you are likely looking at a losing more than you win.
Whoever comes in we need a serge mentality this season, not the PL tourist one we seemed to adopt for obvious reasons last time.
Coyb
[Post edited 15 Jun 6:42]
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I really like the first two lines you have written here ' Its a clean slate opportunity for me. Its almost unheard of to walk in at this level and have such a clear deck ' You are spot on and i hadn't really considered that. When poor old George Burley took the job i remember we had something ridiculous like 35 ( don't quote me on the actual number but it was high ) senior players and his first task was to try and move these on so he could rebuild. We don't have players like Sterling or Rashford on huge wages to hamstring the new manager.
In fact - and you couldn't even do it these days 'cos of FFP - the only time I can remember someone doing it is Jose the first time he went to Chelsea and just pretty much brought a whole new squad. | |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:43 - Jun 15 with 597 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 22:16 - Jun 14 by grow_our_own |
Agree with:
LCM - XX, Taylor
RCM - Matusiwa, XX
LW - Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti
#10 - XX, Nunez, Egeli (U21)
RW - XX, McAteer
CF - XX, XX, Hirst
I think one of Kipre or Greaves will be up to it. I think Walton is, maybe Palmer too. Furlong was outstanding this season and balanced well with our attacking left side. Let's say we'll spend 100-120m this summer. With that, by my reckoning, we'll need five first choicers, and 2-3 squad players. Tough to buy Prem standard players for much less than £20m these days. I think we should focus our spending where it's really needed, rather than dilute the quality. Defence & keeper were strong this season. [Post edited 14 Jun 22:20]
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That would leave the back 4 and goalkeeper exactly the same.
Walton
Furlong
DOS
Greaves
Leif
That’s an absolute non starter. We need to bring in a centre back and a right back to elevate that defence. |  |
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| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:44 - Jun 15 with 586 views | hsg78 |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:32 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
if unsuccessful, that would bankrupt the club ...
You'd be committing to £50M per year in amortised fees alone. If the worst happened the first year parachute payment would just about cover it, then you'd be in a complete mess. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:33]
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Unless we were to bring an additional ~£100m into the club through disposals this summer which I suspect may happen. | | | |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:47 - Jun 15 with 569 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is the elephant in the room for our new boss recruitment the squad?! on 09:20 - Jun 15 by tractorboy1978 |
Weeks (and probably more like months) of work will have gone into planning our recruitment this summer to suit McKenna. Very dangerous to pivot too far away from what we have prepared for and were planning to do IMO.
You need a manager that fits the strategy of the club. That is how the most successful clubs operate. Where we were 5 years ago and where we are now are chalk and cheese and not even remotely comparable. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:22]
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The bulk of the work wont have been to suit McKenna though.
The recruitment's team job is to have the most complete understanding of as many good players globally as possible, then to shortlist that into realistic targets and then the final piece of the puzzle is manager buy in & negotiation.
I'd much rather we hire the best manager as opposed to the best manager who plays 4-3-2-1. | | | |
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