| “King of the North” 03:02 - Jun 19 with 1539 views | Perublue |
About to win it seems.. I think in recent days it has looked the most likely outcome… I suppose the only question is how many did restore take from reform.
Aberdeen .. who saw that coming too 😮 |  |
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| “King of the North” on 03:04 - Jun 19 with 1352 views | Perublue |
It’s going to be an interesting few days in the Labour Party… if he’d lost even more so ?
I guess a few sackings and resignations coming now. | |
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| “King of the North” on 06:44 - Jun 19 with 1125 views | Zx1988 |
Very interesting to see that Burnham ended up managing to do it himself (alongside some tactical voting from the other progressive parties), and that the right wing split was inconsequential in the end. |  |
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| “King of the North” on 07:04 - Jun 19 with 1088 views | GlasgowBlue |
| “King of the North” on 06:44 - Jun 19 by Zx1988 |
Very interesting to see that Burnham ended up managing to do it himself (alongside some tactical voting from the other progressive parties), and that the right wing split was inconsequential in the end. |
Looks like a lot of tactical voting. The Tories, Greens and Lib Dem’s lost nearly 7000 votes from the general election with Labour picking up most of those.
Likewise in Aberdeen South. The Tories came from third in 2024 to winning the seat with a good number of Labour unionists lending the Tories their vote. |  |
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| “King of the North” on 07:28 - Jun 19 with 1044 views | WeWereZombies |
| “King of the North” on 07:04 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Looks like a lot of tactical voting. The Tories, Greens and Lib Dem’s lost nearly 7000 votes from the general election with Labour picking up most of those.
Likewise in Aberdeen South. The Tories came from third in 2024 to winning the seat with a good number of Labour unionists lending the Tories their vote. |
We have no idea what choices individuals make at the polling station (or when filling in their postal vote) so I think all talk of tactical voting is about as well informed as the bookies suggestions as to who is going to get the Town job. The underlying situation with regard to people's political perceptions is still as troubling as it was yesterday and the only way out of the quagmire is a careful selection of the right policies and the right choices staying as true as politically expedient to those policies. That is all that can be done to convince wavering voters (and the portion of the electorate who are not voting at the moment but can be persuaded to in future) to return a Labour government to power in a couple of years time. Tactical voting is a waste of the one resource a citizen has every four or five years. |  |
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| “King of the North” on 07:40 - Jun 19 with 1012 views | itfcjoe |
An absolutely thumping win, and good to see Reform lose 2 by elections in a row to different parties with totally different candidates. Good to see Tories take Aberdeen too, maybe we are getting back to more normal times.
Starmer has to go now, he won’t - but Burnham has delivered a message that he has a chance |  |
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| “King of the North” on 07:42 - Jun 19 with 1000 views | Perublue |
| “King of the North” on 07:28 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
We have no idea what choices individuals make at the polling station (or when filling in their postal vote) so I think all talk of tactical voting is about as well informed as the bookies suggestions as to who is going to get the Town job. The underlying situation with regard to people's political perceptions is still as troubling as it was yesterday and the only way out of the quagmire is a careful selection of the right policies and the right choices staying as true as politically expedient to those policies. That is all that can be done to convince wavering voters (and the portion of the electorate who are not voting at the moment but can be persuaded to in future) to return a Labour government to power in a couple of years time. Tactical voting is a waste of the one resource a citizen has every four or five years. |
I think the most troubling thing with the vote which I think you kind of touched on is the surprisingly/depressingly low turnout … was it 58%ish ? It was low anyway…. For such an important by election with an Impact nationally right now and potentially the future and all the eyes on it …. The pathetic turnout is a worry. | |
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| “King of the North” on 08:42 - Jun 19 with 885 views | BloomBlue |
Burnham ran a good campaign and is obviously very popular in the North East. The issue for Labour is how long the race to be PM will take. Listening to the TV this morning there is a indication it could go on into early Oct. I hope it doesn't as that's 4 months of nobody running the country, a Gov half hearted about doing anything until they know who is actually going to be the PM.
The Aberdeen vote seems to be related to a local issue, in that reducing north sea oil/gas exploration is going to kill the employment opportunities in the Aberdeen area. The conservatives rode on a ticket that they will increase drilling in the future. The SNP did hold onto Arbroath and Broughty
Its also adds to the fun, at the last by-election the Greens won and said politics had changed forever, they only received 300+ votes.
Plus the LibDems, whats going on there? They're going backwards from the last GE and is the only party who keeps running on the ticket of taking us back into the EU. |  | | |
| “King of the North” on 08:48 - Jun 19 with 870 views | StokieBlue |
| “King of the North” on 07:04 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Looks like a lot of tactical voting. The Tories, Greens and Lib Dem’s lost nearly 7000 votes from the general election with Labour picking up most of those.
Likewise in Aberdeen South. The Tories came from third in 2024 to winning the seat with a good number of Labour unionists lending the Tories their vote. |
Maybe it's the opposite? Maybe those voters would have voted Labour but were disillusioned with the choices at the GE?
Restore have done significant damage to the Reform vote as well.
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| “King of the North” on 08:50 - Jun 19 with 854 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| “King of the North” on 08:42 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
Burnham ran a good campaign and is obviously very popular in the North East. The issue for Labour is how long the race to be PM will take. Listening to the TV this morning there is a indication it could go on into early Oct. I hope it doesn't as that's 4 months of nobody running the country, a Gov half hearted about doing anything until they know who is actually going to be the PM.
The Aberdeen vote seems to be related to a local issue, in that reducing north sea oil/gas exploration is going to kill the employment opportunities in the Aberdeen area. The conservatives rode on a ticket that they will increase drilling in the future. The SNP did hold onto Arbroath and Broughty
Its also adds to the fun, at the last by-election the Greens won and said politics had changed forever, they only received 300+ votes.
Plus the LibDems, whats going on there? They're going backwards from the last GE and is the only party who keeps running on the ticket of taking us back into the EU. |
I would say, without any particular knowledge, that lib dem voters are the likeliest to absolutely categorically want reform to not prosper in any way and therefore the least tribal and most likely to vote tactically. Which is both a blessing and a curse. They are thinking bigger than themselves, but in doing so the party doesn't prosper and have a momentum of its own like the others.
Or maybe that's all bollox! |  | | |
| “King of the North” on 09:15 - Jun 19 with 783 views | WeWereZombies |
| “King of the North” on 08:42 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
Burnham ran a good campaign and is obviously very popular in the North East. The issue for Labour is how long the race to be PM will take. Listening to the TV this morning there is a indication it could go on into early Oct. I hope it doesn't as that's 4 months of nobody running the country, a Gov half hearted about doing anything until they know who is actually going to be the PM.
The Aberdeen vote seems to be related to a local issue, in that reducing north sea oil/gas exploration is going to kill the employment opportunities in the Aberdeen area. The conservatives rode on a ticket that they will increase drilling in the future. The SNP did hold onto Arbroath and Broughty
Its also adds to the fun, at the last by-election the Greens won and said politics had changed forever, they only received 300+ votes.
Plus the LibDems, whats going on there? They're going backwards from the last GE and is the only party who keeps running on the ticket of taking us back into the EU. |
I'm sure Burnham is as popular in the North East as he is in the North West... | |
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| “King of the North” on 09:15 - Jun 19 with 781 views | keighleyblue |
| “King of the North” on 08:42 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
Burnham ran a good campaign and is obviously very popular in the North East. The issue for Labour is how long the race to be PM will take. Listening to the TV this morning there is a indication it could go on into early Oct. I hope it doesn't as that's 4 months of nobody running the country, a Gov half hearted about doing anything until they know who is actually going to be the PM.
The Aberdeen vote seems to be related to a local issue, in that reducing north sea oil/gas exploration is going to kill the employment opportunities in the Aberdeen area. The conservatives rode on a ticket that they will increase drilling in the future. The SNP did hold onto Arbroath and Broughty
Its also adds to the fun, at the last by-election the Greens won and said politics had changed forever, they only received 300+ votes.
Plus the LibDems, whats going on there? They're going backwards from the last GE and is the only party who keeps running on the ticket of taking us back into the EU. |
"Popular in the north east"??
Has Manchester been relocated? |  | | |
| “King of the North” on 09:21 - Jun 19 with 766 views | WeWereZombies |
| “King of the North” on 09:15 - Jun 19 by keighleyblue |
"Popular in the north east"??
Has Manchester been relocated? |
Getting mixed up with Aberdeen ? Careful now, might end up supporting a club associated with Sir Alex... | |
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| “King of the North” on 10:15 - Jun 19 with 688 views | GlasgowBlue |
| “King of the North” on 08:48 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
Maybe it's the opposite? Maybe those voters would have voted Labour but were disillusioned with the choices at the GE?
Restore have done significant damage to the Reform vote as well.
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Disillusioned in an election where Labour won a landslide with a majority of 174, the third-best showing in the party's history?
Every political analyst I’ve seen or read this morning says there was tactical voting to keep out Reform. People on here constantly talk about how they would vote in order to keep out Reform.
Look at the results in Makerfield from just two years ago compared with today’s. There is obvious tactical voting.
Conservative - 4,379 (2024) 997 (today)
Liberal Democrat - 2,735(2024) 163 (today)
Greens* - 1,776 (2024) 308 (today)
More interestingly, comparing ‘progressive’ vote share (L, LD, G) between 2024 and 2026 there is little change, and if you round down 2026 and round up 2024 they are identical a 56%, which speaks to large amounts of tactical voting. Progressive share 2024 = 56.4%. Progressive share today = 55.8%
*Greens supposedly a roll across the country under Zack Polanski. [Post edited 19 Jun 10:41]
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| “King of the North” on 10:49 - Jun 19 with 605 views | WeWereZombies |
| “King of the North” on 10:15 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Disillusioned in an election where Labour won a landslide with a majority of 174, the third-best showing in the party's history?
Every political analyst I’ve seen or read this morning says there was tactical voting to keep out Reform. People on here constantly talk about how they would vote in order to keep out Reform.
Look at the results in Makerfield from just two years ago compared with today’s. There is obvious tactical voting.
Conservative - 4,379 (2024) 997 (today)
Liberal Democrat - 2,735(2024) 163 (today)
Greens* - 1,776 (2024) 308 (today)
More interestingly, comparing ‘progressive’ vote share (L, LD, G) between 2024 and 2026 there is little change, and if you round down 2026 and round up 2024 they are identical a 56%, which speaks to large amounts of tactical voting. Progressive share 2024 = 56.4%. Progressive share today = 55.8%
*Greens supposedly a roll across the country under Zack Polanski. [Post edited 19 Jun 10:41]
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I think the fall away in the votes of those three parties says more about the perception of the qualities of the current leaders of those parties by the voters of Makerfield (those that turned out anyway, and perhaps why others stayed home) than any supposed tactical voting. Although, conversely, I doubt that Badenoch has much influence over the Aberdeen result and that was all down to the fears of more redundancies in that constituency, but again not a tactical reason to vote Conservative and more a message to the current Government to avoid selling the city short when it comes to economic development. | |
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| “King of the North” on 13:30 - Jun 19 with 501 views | reusersfreekicks |
| “King of the North” on 07:28 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
We have no idea what choices individuals make at the polling station (or when filling in their postal vote) so I think all talk of tactical voting is about as well informed as the bookies suggestions as to who is going to get the Town job. The underlying situation with regard to people's political perceptions is still as troubling as it was yesterday and the only way out of the quagmire is a careful selection of the right policies and the right choices staying as true as politically expedient to those policies. That is all that can be done to convince wavering voters (and the portion of the electorate who are not voting at the moment but can be persuaded to in future) to return a Labour government to power in a couple of years time. Tactical voting is a waste of the one resource a citizen has every four or five years. |
Tactical voting is a waste of time?
To keep a racist party out of parliament
Really?
Edit - apols I guess you are talking re the electoral system? [Post edited 19 Jun 13:31]
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| “King of the North” on 13:35 - Jun 19 with 488 views | reusersfreekicks |
| “King of the North” on 10:49 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
I think the fall away in the votes of those three parties says more about the perception of the qualities of the current leaders of those parties by the voters of Makerfield (those that turned out anyway, and perhaps why others stayed home) than any supposed tactical voting. Although, conversely, I doubt that Badenoch has much influence over the Aberdeen result and that was all down to the fears of more redundancies in that constituency, but again not a tactical reason to vote Conservative and more a message to the current Government to avoid selling the city short when it comes to economic development. |
Completely disagree
Obvious tactical voting | | | |
| “King of the North” on 13:41 - Jun 19 with 465 views | leitrimblue |
| “King of the North” on 08:42 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
Burnham ran a good campaign and is obviously very popular in the North East. The issue for Labour is how long the race to be PM will take. Listening to the TV this morning there is a indication it could go on into early Oct. I hope it doesn't as that's 4 months of nobody running the country, a Gov half hearted about doing anything until they know who is actually going to be the PM.
The Aberdeen vote seems to be related to a local issue, in that reducing north sea oil/gas exploration is going to kill the employment opportunities in the Aberdeen area. The conservatives rode on a ticket that they will increase drilling in the future. The SNP did hold onto Arbroath and Broughty
Its also adds to the fun, at the last by-election the Greens won and said politics had changed forever, they only received 300+ votes.
Plus the LibDems, whats going on there? They're going backwards from the last GE and is the only party who keeps running on the ticket of taking us back into the EU. |
Surely Arbroath is almost as invested in North sea oil and gas as Aberdeen?
Definitely was in my day |  | | |
| “King of the North” on 13:57 - Jun 19 with 429 views | positivity |
| “King of the North” on 10:15 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Disillusioned in an election where Labour won a landslide with a majority of 174, the third-best showing in the party's history?
Every political analyst I’ve seen or read this morning says there was tactical voting to keep out Reform. People on here constantly talk about how they would vote in order to keep out Reform.
Look at the results in Makerfield from just two years ago compared with today’s. There is obvious tactical voting.
Conservative - 4,379 (2024) 997 (today)
Liberal Democrat - 2,735(2024) 163 (today)
Greens* - 1,776 (2024) 308 (today)
More interestingly, comparing ‘progressive’ vote share (L, LD, G) between 2024 and 2026 there is little change, and if you round down 2026 and round up 2024 they are identical a 56%, which speaks to large amounts of tactical voting. Progressive share 2024 = 56.4%. Progressive share today = 55.8%
*Greens supposedly a roll across the country under Zack Polanski. [Post edited 19 Jun 10:41]
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do you think the tory voters all went reform?
can' t decide whether natural conservatives would rather keep out labour or farage | |
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| “King of the North” on 14:17 - Jun 19 with 393 views | WD19 |
| “King of the North” on 07:04 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Looks like a lot of tactical voting. The Tories, Greens and Lib Dem’s lost nearly 7000 votes from the general election with Labour picking up most of those.
Likewise in Aberdeen South. The Tories came from third in 2024 to winning the seat with a good number of Labour unionists lending the Tories their vote. |
Only 59% turnout too. We could have a situation where the sitting PM could be in serious trouble in terms of their own seat at the next GE. |  | | |
| “King of the North” on 15:32 - Jun 19 with 336 views | WeWereZombies |
| “King of the North” on 13:35 - Jun 19 by reusersfreekicks |
Completely disagree
Obvious tactical voting |
I did vote tactically myself once, Labour in South Norfolk suggested we all vote Lib Dem - Gillian Shepherd got in with an increased majority.
Always, always vote for the party whose policies come closest to what you believe in and/or the candidate who you think will represent you and your fellow constituents best. | |
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| “King of the North” on 15:53 - Jun 19 with 305 views | positivity |
| “King of the North” on 15:32 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
I did vote tactically myself once, Labour in South Norfolk suggested we all vote Lib Dem - Gillian Shepherd got in with an increased majority.
Always, always vote for the party whose policies come closest to what you believe in and/or the candidate who you think will represent you and your fellow constituents best. |
(can't hear gillian shepherd without the rhyming couplet "apalling unemployment record", some obscure 90s band, but no idea who!)
i'd argue that that with fptp it's often best to vote against something than to waste your vote on a no hoper.
so, if it's a 2 horse race between racists-r-us and the lib dems, but i slightly prefer the sdlp, i'd vote lib dems every time.
obviously this could all be solved if we had a single transferable vote system... | |
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| “King of the North” on 15:59 - Jun 19 with 296 views | GlasgowBlue |
| “King of the North” on 14:17 - Jun 19 by WD19 |
Only 59% turnout too. We could have a situation where the sitting PM could be in serious trouble in terms of their own seat at the next GE. |
I think we can take from last night's results ius that Farage will never become Prime Minister.
In Makerfield tactical voting kept Reform out of a constituency where they hold every council seat and Aberdeen South showed that the Tories are not dead and buried. | |
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| “King of the North” on 16:03 - Jun 19 with 283 views | positivity |
| “King of the North” on 15:59 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I think we can take from last night's results ius that Farage will never become Prime Minister.
In Makerfield tactical voting kept Reform out of a constituency where they hold every council seat and Aberdeen South showed that the Tories are not dead and buried. |
the conservatives seem to be like those washed up rock bands who are "big in japan".
they seem to have a following in north-east scotland! | |
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| “King of the North” on 17:55 - Jun 19 with 187 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| “King of the North” on 15:59 - Jun 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I think we can take from last night's results ius that Farage will never become Prime Minister.
In Makerfield tactical voting kept Reform out of a constituency where they hold every council seat and Aberdeen South showed that the Tories are not dead and buried. |
Aberdeen South showed that local people voted on what the local Tories were promising there. I doubt it says much about the wider Tory party.
What does the 2.2% of the vote the Tories managed in Makerfield say about them? |  |
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| “King of the North” on 18:06 - Jun 19 with 174 views | GlasgowBlue |
| “King of the North” on 16:03 - Jun 19 by positivity |
the conservatives seem to be like those washed up rock bands who are "big in japan".
they seem to have a following in north-east scotland! |
You'd be daft to underestimate them. The Tories have been polling slightly ahead or level with Labour and Kemi has one of the best approval ratings of the party leaders.
They won't win the next election, or the one after but they will perform well enough to keep Farage out of number 10. [Post edited 19 Jun 18:32]
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