| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums 21:29 - Jun 20 with 8393 views | jasondozzell |
Did a Harry from Bath and had a look to see what they're saying on Bournemouth and Wolves forums. Interesting mixture of comments. Clearly not a lot of love for him at Wolves because of the state when he left but recurring theme amongst both forums is that he did a fair job in keeping them up in the first season. He clearly has something about him. It's also promising that in both situations it's acknowledged that he got more out of a relatively weak squad than was expected.
Bournemouth
GON was the difference maker that year, he inherited a side with little attacking quality and a weak defence on paper and somehow managed to develop a way of playing that allowed us to eek out enough wins to survive. He did a brilliant job despite the fact it wasn’t easy on the eye at times.
Got to feel sorry for them.. ..nobody deserves to watch that.....still at least it isn't us so couldn't really care less.
Gary worked hard to keep us up, the football wasn't vintage, but I bet if you asked West Ham fans if they would have suffered bland football for their PL status it would be a no brainer. I hope that he gets a decent job somewhere and stays in the game at PL level. Its easy to criticise managers too often and forget the tasks that they have to ensure that their clubs survive in this League?
I'm just saying it's not a given that Gon would get a job as a PE teacher.
Truth is likely somewhere in the middle. He did his job, kept us up. Not a terrible manager and not a miracle worker. No need to demonise him.
Even if that were true then so what? I would have been wrong, it happens. He’s clearly good enough to manage at this level.
He was sacked from Wolves for not being able to do it and had one mini purple patch with us in a dreadful years football in a team that was more than capable of staying up.
He kept us up against the odds, you can dress it up however you want but at the end of the day that is the reality. Next to no one outside of the AFCB fan base gave us a chance that year, and he kept us up with games to spare. Whatever was said about him at the time, he got a job done that many wouldn’t have. The football wasn’t the prettiest but who gives a flying fanny, survival is everything in that first year.
Wolves
Nuno to Lage level of drop off. I know he gives a good PowerPoint, but why?
The man kept 2 teams in the Premier League...give him some respect (whilst ignoring the total collapse of control he had on a team and essentially managed with zero authority for 3 months)
I’ve liked Ipswich since I was a kid when they had some great players, played good football and punched well above their weight but if they appoint GO I’ll be hoping they go down They’ll probably do ok for a few games but by October it will unravel and if he’s still there at Christmas the list of who’s to blame will be pages long and one name will be conspicuous by it’s absence.
Until he gets hired again in England and gets brutally exposed as being out of his depth the myth of Gary O'Neil being a good manager will continue. I'm eager to see him find a new job; was hoping it would be West Ham but any role will do.
It would be very wolvesy for gon to do well
Its one of those tricks of memory things.
We had that decent run over Christmas and the Chelsea win and we were in the discussion for Europe. Bit like how Fulham are most seasons, get within striking distance and fall back.
Yes he had a injury crisis with regards to the front line and we failed him by not signing a forward to replace Sasa/Fabio (not that GON was a fan of Sasa, despite a couple of vital goals) but we were dreadful in that final part of the season.
GON also had the same problem Rob had - he wanted to be pals with the players and gave the likes of Cunha & Lemina way to much power. As the results got worse, they took control, he threw them under a bus and discipline went out of the window and he had zero control over it.
Felt he did an ok job overall. Lost his way towards the end of course but saying he came in the way he did after Lopetegui's walking off it was a pity the way it finished [Post edited 20 Jun 21:43]
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:33 - Jun 20 with 5902 views | jas0999 |
Doesn’t sound great … |  | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:35 - Jun 20 with 5854 views | Waig |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:33 - Jun 20 by jas0999 |
Doesn’t sound great … |
“ I’ve liked Ipswich since I was a kid when they had some great players, played good football and punched well above their weight but if they appoint GO I’ll be hoping they go down They’ll probably do ok for a few games but by October it will unravel and if he’s still there at Christmas the list of who’s to blame will be pages long and one name will be conspicuous by it’s absence.”
Exactly how it will pan out, can see it already. Will blame the fans when we boo him for abject performances and spending a fortune on dross. | | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:35 - Jun 20 with 5833 views | Libero |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:33 - Jun 20 by jas0999 |
Doesn’t sound great … |
It’s because he isn’t- I’ve got a bad feeling about this. |  | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:36 - Jun 20 with 5817 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Glowing reviews then |  |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:36 - Jun 20 with 5817 views | jasondozzell |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:33 - Jun 20 by jas0999 |
Doesn’t sound great … |
I had the opposite reaction! I think it's pretty promising that despite the fact that it ended so badly at Wolves, and that he was replaced by a superior coach at Bournemouth, there's a general acknowledgement that he did a good job in keeping both sides up. Forums tend to be pretty harsh especially towards figures associated with bad periods, so think it's interesting that there's a number wanting to be balanced.
He's a young coach so you would hope that he has reflected on what he could have done better (though some things out of his control). The comment about wanting to be too close to the players is slightly worrying but I think he'll be a better coach for having gone through the wolves experience. I also think he's inheriting a squad here that will respond well to him. | | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:38 - Jun 20 with 5783 views | jasondozzell |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:36 - Jun 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Glowing reviews then |
You wouldn't expect wolves fans to be calling him pep would you? But there's a fair few acknowledging that he did a good job in the main.
I also remember watching a wolves YouTube thing after we won away there in 24/25 and they directed most of their ire towards ownership. | | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:43 - Jun 20 with 5663 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:38 - Jun 20 by jasondozzell |
You wouldn't expect wolves fans to be calling him pep would you? But there's a fair few acknowledging that he did a good job in the main.
I also remember watching a wolves YouTube thing after we won away there in 24/25 and they directed most of their ire towards ownership. |
Is what it is, sort of what I expected.
I know a Wolves fan and a Bournemouth fan. One of them is really not a fan of Gary O'Neil mainly for his interviews, said he was unbearable to listen to at times. The other one is a bit more nice about him, thinks he did a decent enough job.
Can't please everyone. [Post edited 20 Jun 21:44]
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:47 - Jun 20 with 5587 views | Horsham |
He averaged more than a point à game for both his PL jobs. If he does that for us I think that’s progres for us as a club. |  | | |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:48 - Jun 20 with 5568 views | MattinLondon |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:33 - Jun 20 by jas0999 |
Doesn’t sound great … |
Football fans aren’t really known for fairness.
GON is not a very exciting appointment but if he happened to be Argentinian with same sort of track record in Spain, many more will be tugging themselves off with this appointment.
O can be as unreasonable as any football fan but less give him a chance. He’s still is a young manager and will be the backing of the fans. |  | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:49 - Jun 20 with 5560 views | jayessess |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:36 - Jun 20 by jasondozzell |
I had the opposite reaction! I think it's pretty promising that despite the fact that it ended so badly at Wolves, and that he was replaced by a superior coach at Bournemouth, there's a general acknowledgement that he did a good job in keeping both sides up. Forums tend to be pretty harsh especially towards figures associated with bad periods, so think it's interesting that there's a number wanting to be balanced.
He's a young coach so you would hope that he has reflected on what he could have done better (though some things out of his control). The comment about wanting to be too close to the players is slightly worrying but I think he'll be a better coach for having gone through the wolves experience. I also think he's inheriting a squad here that will respond well to him. |
Yeah, if you did a similar overview of Mick McCarthy's tenure here across this forum you'd probably get a similar range of opinions, despite every season he had here being an over-achievement relative to budget. |  |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:54 - Jun 20 with 5463 views | jasondozzell |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:43 - Jun 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Is what it is, sort of what I expected.
I know a Wolves fan and a Bournemouth fan. One of them is really not a fan of Gary O'Neil mainly for his interviews, said he was unbearable to listen to at times. The other one is a bit more nice about him, thinks he did a decent enough job.
Can't please everyone. [Post edited 20 Jun 21:44]
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Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's how I've got my head around it. For a number of reasons this outcome was probably inevitable.
I think he'll be good. Let's hope the friend who thinks he did a decent job is proven right! | | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:04 - Jun 20 with 5333 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 21:49 - Jun 20 by jayessess |
Yeah, if you did a similar overview of Mick McCarthy's tenure here across this forum you'd probably get a similar range of opinions, despite every season he had here being an over-achievement relative to budget. |
I think in the main as a fan group we've always been pretty fair on Micks tenure, dont think many think he did a bad job given circumstances but most agree he stayed to long, the football was mostly crap and we were dire towards the end |  |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:04 - Jun 20 with 5326 views | RetroBlue |
Would people view GON is a modern day McCarthy? |  |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:07 - Jun 20 with 5266 views | hoppy |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:12 - Jun 20 with 5186 views | jasondozzell |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:07 - Jun 20 by hoppy |
Busy **** |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:14 - Jun 20 with 5155 views | jayessess |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:04 - Jun 20 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I think in the main as a fan group we've always been pretty fair on Micks tenure, dont think many think he did a bad job given circumstances but most agree he stayed to long, the football was mostly crap and we were dire towards the end |
Think you'd get a similar range of views to what O'Neil's getting above. People have got less critical of McCarthy over time too. | |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:29 - Jun 20 with 5004 views | Nutkins_Return |
Good work and good effort so thanks.
The thing to remember is his entire prem record is for poor teams when he took over. In his time there it really wasn't a possibility for him to do much more than keep them up and he did that with bells on comfortably. But then it unravelled. Frankly if he can keep us up first season I'll be happy. Although stylistically it might be a bit tough. But truth be told McKenna in the prem was a tough watch. And last season we weren't fun to watch but McKenna did a good job.
Iraola people forget was close to being sacked. Took him 10 games to get a win but ultimately their recruitment was great and he did a brilliant job by the end. My point is GON did not have the squad Iraola ended up with.
My gut feeling is GONnis going to struggle to win over he fan base because of the league we are in and it will be tough going. I will give him the chance though. I wouldn't be surprised if he can keep us up. But I don't think he will be long term and that's ok. It will be great if he can surpass all expectations of course!! | |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:31 - Jun 20 with 4992 views | Libero |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:04 - Jun 20 by RetroBlue |
Would people view GON is a modern day McCarthy? |
Very harsh, McCarthy was a very good manager- he’d had success at club level and managed his nation at the World Cup with relative success, O’Neil hasn’t managed a full season in management, despite being involved for four years. [Post edited 21 Jun 8:54]
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:32 - Jun 20 with 4987 views | Nutkins_Return |
Good work and good effort so thanks.
The thing to remember is his entire prem record is for poor teams when he took over. In his time there it really wasn't a possibility for him to do much more than keep them up and he did that with bells on comfortably. But then it unravelled. Frankly if he can keep us up first season I'll be happy. Although stylistically it might be a bit tough. But truth be told McKenna in the prem was a tough watch. And last season we weren't fun to watch but McKenna did a good job.
Iraola people forget was close to being sacked. Took him 10 games to get a win but ultimately their recruitment was great and he did a brilliant job by the end. My point is GON did not have the squad Iraola ended up with.
My gut feeling is GONnis going to struggle to win over he fan base because of the league we are in and it will be tough going. I will give him the chance though. I wouldn't be surprised if he can keep us up. But I don't think he will be long term and that's ok. It will be great if he can surpass all expectations of course!! | |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 22:47 - Jun 20 with 4782 views | TripSwitch |
So he's poo basically. Great. |  |
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 23:28 - Jun 20 with 4418 views | naa |
If you hang around on this forum enough you'd find people slagging Mckenna off so you do have to take some of it with a pinch of salt.
I think we'll have to accept this year that if we want to stay up we'll have to play some pretty boring football. Hopefully that will improve (as it has for Bournemouth) if we stay up.
I do wonder if Ashton has hired O'Neil with one season in mind,as O'Neil has shown he is capable of that more than once. | | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 23:30 - Jun 20 with 4409 views | Matt_Netherlands |
What was Ashton saying the other day about doing many, many references?
I genuinely wonder if fan opinions are taken into account in any way whatsoever with these “references?”
I’m genuinely yet to see or hear from anyone who was suggesting GON before news came out about him being the most likely candidate. |  | | |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 23:36 - Jun 20 with 4369 views | andyblue231 |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 23:28 - Jun 20 by naa |
If you hang around on this forum enough you'd find people slagging Mckenna off so you do have to take some of it with a pinch of salt.
I think we'll have to accept this year that if we want to stay up we'll have to play some pretty boring football. Hopefully that will improve (as it has for Bournemouth) if we stay up.
I do wonder if Ashton has hired O'Neil with one season in mind,as O'Neil has shown he is capable of that more than once. |
I just don’t know why we have had to accept that. Why were Sunderland capable of doing something special and we aren’t. The whole project we were building here was supposed to be bold. The number of times that moron has said “bold” in interviews.
I spose I’m pissed off to find out they the project we were actually building is Burnley 25/26. [Post edited 20 Jun 23:39]
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| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 00:46 - Jun 21 with 4138 views | Guthrum |
| View from Bournemouth and Wolves forums on 23:36 - Jun 20 by andyblue231 |
I just don’t know why we have had to accept that. Why were Sunderland capable of doing something special and we aren’t. The whole project we were building here was supposed to be bold. The number of times that moron has said “bold” in interviews.
I spose I’m pissed off to find out they the project we were actually building is Burnley 25/26. [Post edited 20 Jun 23:39]
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Sunderland achieved what they did with a lot of one-goal-margin wins (10 out of 14) and a host of draws (12). A lot of their success came down to good defending and goalkeeping, not devil-may-care attacking.
We're probably aiming closer to the Sunderland model than anything else. [Post edited 21 Jun 1:02]
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