| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? 11:07 - Jun 29 with 2839 views | Vic |
I bet that GON has been absolutely pouring over video's of as many matches as possible since the club first contacted him in order to build up a picture of the strengths and weaknesses.
But I'm also wondering if he'll have been in touch with Keiran to get his take on things?
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:11 - Jun 29 with 2434 views | FrimleyBlue |
No he made a point of it quite directly imo during his press conference when asked.
It wouldnt be benefitial imo, he needs to view things from his own eyes and lean on those within the club rather than someone outside of it. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:49 - Jun 29 with 2222 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:11 - Jun 29 by FrimleyBlue |
No he made a point of it quite directly imo during his press conference when asked.
It wouldnt be benefitial imo, he needs to view things from his own eyes and lean on those within the club rather than someone outside of it. |
I thought his answer was fairly ambiguous iirc.
If McKenna is up for it, GON would be foolish not to have a conversation with him imo. |  | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:54 - Jun 29 with 2188 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:49 - Jun 29 by farkenhell |
I thought his answer was fairly ambiguous iirc.
If McKenna is up for it, GON would be foolish not to have a conversation with him imo. |
Yep and GO alluded to the fact that He and McKenna have spoke quite a lot over the last few years so I would be amazed if they suddenly never speak again. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:54 - Jun 29 with 2187 views | baxterbasics |
I'm torn over this.
It might be best for a new manager coming in with his own vision and methods to not cloud that with input from the old one.
But it could also be useful to get opinions about a particular player or staff member and how they were fitting in previously.
I would think given the nature of KMs departure he'd still be happy to informally advise at this stage. But can understand why GON might not take this up. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:56 - Jun 29 with 2176 views | Meadowlark |
I think it's been stated that there has been no contact, but it's a big opportunity missed isn't it? Usually in football the incoming manager has replaced a sacked manager who has cleared his desk and left the building, if not the country. In this instance there could have been a "proper" handover as would happen in most other business situations. |  | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:01 - Jun 29 with 2098 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:49 - Jun 29 by farkenhell |
I thought his answer was fairly ambiguous iirc.
If McKenna is up for it, GON would be foolish not to have a conversation with him imo. |
I don't think there's any benefit to it really, both different managers, GON has alot to get on with without the needless task of speaking to the ex manager, we'll be getting new players, new style of football, he will learn from the players what he needs to know and the other coaches, i don't see what he'd get from picking up the phone and speaking with KM | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:02 - Jun 29 with 2089 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:54 - Jun 29 by baxterbasics |
I'm torn over this.
It might be best for a new manager coming in with his own vision and methods to not cloud that with input from the old one.
But it could also be useful to get opinions about a particular player or staff member and how they were fitting in previously.
I would think given the nature of KMs departure he'd still be happy to informally advise at this stage. But can understand why GON might not take this up. |
Your 3rd paragraph sums up why GON would be foolish imo not to speak to KM. He's got nothing to lose. | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:09 - Jun 29 with 2025 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:01 - Jun 29 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't think there's any benefit to it really, both different managers, GON has alot to get on with without the needless task of speaking to the ex manager, we'll be getting new players, new style of football, he will learn from the players what he needs to know and the other coaches, i don't see what he'd get from picking up the phone and speaking with KM |
GON's already said that he wants to get to know the existing players. Where better to get an opinion of the strengths and weaknesses of existing staff than their previous manager? As Meadowlark has said, this is quite usual in business and I don't see how the football environment should be any different.
If he has the opportunity to do so and turns it down, it'll be a mistake imo. | | | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:15 - Jun 29 with 1985 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:09 - Jun 29 by farkenhell |
GON's already said that he wants to get to know the existing players. Where better to get an opinion of the strengths and weaknesses of existing staff than their previous manager? As Meadowlark has said, this is quite usual in business and I don't see how the football environment should be any different.
If he has the opportunity to do so and turns it down, it'll be a mistake imo. |
Getting to know his players isn't done by phoning someone else and asking for their opinion. it's by getting to know them himself.
Existing staff are already being moved around, some have left, GON has his own men coming in. Also what could have strengths under KM may be weaknesses under GON, similar what may not have worked under KM might work under GON. Imagine if KM called and took the advice of paul cook about wolfy.... and because of that didnt give him the time of day compared to everyone else
Much better to crack on, and in the future if they ever cross paths, then have that chat. | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:22 - Jun 29 with 1948 views | Metal_Hacker |
I don't think there would be anything wrong with doing so because as we know KMcK would offer 100% honesty so yeah , great idea to have a chat would be my thought process
As individuals we don't know everything , unless you're Mrs Hacker obvs |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:46 - Jun 29 with 1795 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
I'd prefer he looked at the club with completely fresh eyes and made his own assessment of who is Premier League standard or not. For all the good McKenna did, there were times last season where I feel like his judgement was clouded by loyalty or a sense of trying to get players he'd signed to fit in when it was apparent they weren't quite good enough. O'Neil will know exactly what Premier League looks like and I'm sure he'll make the right call without any external input. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:06 - Jun 29 with 1715 views | hype313 |
Ashton is obviously well versed with the playing squad, the strengths and weaknesses, personalities etc, so apart from speaking to McKenna about the external stuff i.e foundation, area, getting ingrained into the club, then I doubt he would chat.
The caveat is most managers coming in wouldn't ordinarily speak to the previous manager as they would probably throw the players under the bus as to explain the reasons why they got the sack, our situation is clearly different. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:13 - Jun 29 with 1662 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:15 - Jun 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Getting to know his players isn't done by phoning someone else and asking for their opinion. it's by getting to know them himself.
Existing staff are already being moved around, some have left, GON has his own men coming in. Also what could have strengths under KM may be weaknesses under GON, similar what may not have worked under KM might work under GON. Imagine if KM called and took the advice of paul cook about wolfy.... and because of that didnt give him the time of day compared to everyone else
Much better to crack on, and in the future if they ever cross paths, then have that chat. |
No-one's suggesting he should hang on McKenna's every word, it just makes sense to get info on the players and club generally that GON can use, discard, be wary of etc. etc. There might be personal issues that could give GON an extra insight ahead of getting to know the players himself (as an example, if say Walle Egeli had been feeling homesick, it would be good to know this up front). I can't see how getting extra info and insights from the man so closely associated with these players can be a bad thing, even if GON goes about managing completely differently. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:17 - Jun 29 with 1638 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:46 - Jun 29 by ThatMuhrenCross |
I'd prefer he looked at the club with completely fresh eyes and made his own assessment of who is Premier League standard or not. For all the good McKenna did, there were times last season where I feel like his judgement was clouded by loyalty or a sense of trying to get players he'd signed to fit in when it was apparent they weren't quite good enough. O'Neil will know exactly what Premier League looks like and I'm sure he'll make the right call without any external input. |
I was more envisaging questions along the lines of "what makes [x] tick?" and "would you have any concerns about [y] and how are those best managed?" In other words, trying to get an early heads up about how to get the best out of the existing players.
It is, of course, up to GON to decide which players are, in his opinion, premier league standard and would fit with his anticipated playing style. | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:18 - Jun 29 with 1624 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:13 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's suggesting he should hang on McKenna's every word, it just makes sense to get info on the players and club generally that GON can use, discard, be wary of etc. etc. There might be personal issues that could give GON an extra insight ahead of getting to know the players himself (as an example, if say Walle Egeli had been feeling homesick, it would be good to know this up front). I can't see how getting extra info and insights from the man so closely associated with these players can be a bad thing, even if GON goes about managing completely differently. |
it's not about it being a bad thing, just don;t think it's something that's beneficial in this instance and wasn't something GON said he was going to do when asked if he had or was going to speak to KM.
There are analyses, Ashton, recruitment, leadership group etc etc various people to talk to the club, players, culture, everything detail really without needing to speak to KM. | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:28 - Jun 29 with 1575 views | Guthrum |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:49 - Jun 29 by farkenhell |
I thought his answer was fairly ambiguous iirc.
If McKenna is up for it, GON would be foolish not to have a conversation with him imo. |
There is a significant phrase in there. It may be that McKenna does not want to be spoken to about Ipswich at the moment. After all, he no longer works for the club. And if seriously burnt out, might be too much of a burden. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:30 - Jun 29 with 1558 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 12:15 - Jun 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Getting to know his players isn't done by phoning someone else and asking for their opinion. it's by getting to know them himself.
Existing staff are already being moved around, some have left, GON has his own men coming in. Also what could have strengths under KM may be weaknesses under GON, similar what may not have worked under KM might work under GON. Imagine if KM called and took the advice of paul cook about wolfy.... and because of that didnt give him the time of day compared to everyone else
Much better to crack on, and in the future if they ever cross paths, then have that chat. |
Of course, GON will need to form his own opinions about the existing players. But seeking the advice of someone who has worked very closely with them recently is, at the very least, a very good starting point.
It's a good point about Woolfy, although I'd be surprised if KM didn't sound out Paul Cook in a similar way. In fact, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen regularly, even where the previous manager may have left in acrimonious circumstances.
It's well known that Clough didn't contact Revie when he took over from him at Leeds because Revie made a point of calling him out about that. However, I'm sure even old big 'ead regretted deep down that he didn't phone him to get the low down on each player. It would surely have made life a little easier for him. | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:32 - Jun 29 with 1550 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:13 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's suggesting he should hang on McKenna's every word, it just makes sense to get info on the players and club generally that GON can use, discard, be wary of etc. etc. There might be personal issues that could give GON an extra insight ahead of getting to know the players himself (as an example, if say Walle Egeli had been feeling homesick, it would be good to know this up front). I can't see how getting extra info and insights from the man so closely associated with these players can be a bad thing, even if GON goes about managing completely differently. |
This. Put far more succinctly than I have! | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:36 - Jun 29 with 1525 views | farkenhell |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:28 - Jun 29 by Guthrum |
There is a significant phrase in there. It may be that McKenna does not want to be spoken to about Ipswich at the moment. After all, he no longer works for the club. And if seriously burnt out, might be too much of a burden. |
That may well be the case. And may explain the way that GON addressed the question.
On the other hand, it was Day 1 and he may simply have not had the time (yet) to find out whether or not KM was willing to engage with him at the present time. | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 14:07 - Jun 29 with 1373 views | FlowerofScotland |
Or 'poring' over them | | | |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 15:24 - Jun 29 with 1223 views | Vic |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 11:11 - Jun 29 by FrimleyBlue |
No he made a point of it quite directly imo during his press conference when asked.
It wouldnt be benefitial imo, he needs to view things from his own eyes and lean on those within the club rather than someone outside of it. |
That's an interesting take and could be true. I totally get that he's got to be his own man and go with his own idea's and instincts. But with players not yet in the building he can't see them, can't look them in the eye, can't see how they respond to him - in other words he really hasn't got an opportunity to assess them himself.
By the time he does he'll have lost a lot of time and be behind the curve in the transfer window.
So for me it would make massive sense for him to pick KM's opinion on the players strengths and weaknesses, to give him the best chance to start assessing whether they are ikely to fit with his plans. | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 15:31 - Jun 29 with 1198 views | Vic |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 14:07 - Jun 29 by FlowerofScotland |
Or 'poring' over them |
hehe - yes, that as well! | |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 17:23 - Jun 29 with 1038 views | LeoMuff |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 13:28 - Jun 29 by Guthrum |
There is a significant phrase in there. It may be that McKenna does not want to be spoken to about Ipswich at the moment. After all, he no longer works for the club. And if seriously burnt out, might be too much of a burden. |
We are also paying him ? So unless something serious has happened to his or his family’s health it seems crazy the club and GON wouldn’t use his knowledge to accelerate GON settling in, squad strength/weakness and prep for next season |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 17:38 - Jun 29 with 1014 views | IndependentlyBlue |
I thought GON deflected this well in the presser.
We need to remember that KMK has left the club, for whatever reasons. We also know, from his time here, that he isn’t someone to do something like that lightly. He has taken a huge decision in his life and that should be respected.
As others have said there are multiple members of staff who GON could lean on for any information, or he can make his own mind up, which I’m sure he’s capable of doing.
I’m sure that the last thing KMK needs at the moment is a Q/A session with GON.
Sad as it is, he’s gone. On his terms.
Time to move on. |  |
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| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 17:45 - Jun 29 with 988 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Do you reckon that GON will have had a chat with Mckenna? on 17:38 - Jun 29 by IndependentlyBlue |
I thought GON deflected this well in the presser.
We need to remember that KMK has left the club, for whatever reasons. We also know, from his time here, that he isn’t someone to do something like that lightly. He has taken a huge decision in his life and that should be respected.
As others have said there are multiple members of staff who GON could lean on for any information, or he can make his own mind up, which I’m sure he’s capable of doing.
I’m sure that the last thing KMK needs at the moment is a Q/A session with GON.
Sad as it is, he’s gone. On his terms.
Time to move on. |
Obviously if McKenna doesn't want to talk to him, that's fine. I thought that was a given. I think people are just saying if GON wanted to sound him out, just a friendly chat, not a "Q/A session", then there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm not sure what relevance your last points are. We know he's left, and on his terms. Doesn't mean he won't ever talk to anyone at the club again. | |
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