| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) 15:25 - Jul 7 with 8321 views | FlowerofScotland |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 22:52 - Jul 7 with 2072 views | Leaky |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 15:44 - Jul 7 by Benters |
Thank you so much. |
Be carefully mate maybe a tartan crayon there as dodgy as there bank notes |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 23:54 - Jul 7 with 2002 views | Bigalhunter |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 22:52 - Jul 7 by Leaky |
Be carefully mate maybe a tartan crayon there as dodgy as there bank notes |
Blimey, English clearly not your first language….
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| Sometimes I giggle about the frothing lunatic who’s put me on ignore who now has to constantly log out to see what I’ve said, because beneath the carefully honed persona of indifference lurks a pitiful egomaniac in utter denial…. | | Poll: | September 2025. Which one? |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 8 with 1911 views | Benters |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Christ’s sake, don’t humour him. He’s nothing but a troll looking to wind up as many people as he can. |
Good morning .
I am giving as good as I get,that’s all,and look I can manage it without being abusive or rude to my fellow posters.unlike some of you who can’t stand the fact someone has a different view to the majority on here.
Have a good day. [Post edited 8 Jul 5:09]
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:10 - Jul 8 with 1932 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Christ’s sake, don’t humour him. He’s nothing but a troll looking to wind up as many people as he can. |
I like Benters.
Sue me. |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:23 - Jul 8 with 1885 views | Benters |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:10 - Jul 8 by J2BLUE |
I like Benters.
Sue me. |
Cheers J2 have a good day buh ! | |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:49 - Jul 8 with 1878 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:23 - Jul 8 by Benters |
Cheers J2 have a good day buh ! |
Cheers, you too mate. | | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:38 - Jul 8 with 1756 views | homer_123 |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 19:04 - Jul 7 by Hong_Kong_Bluey |
It's potentially because he and his party represent the thoughts of the majority of the British people. |
Again, genuine question, what are those thoughts and, even more significantly, what is it that you feel means Reform are better placed to resolve those than other parties.
For transparency, I don't think either the Tories or Labour have exactly covered themselves in glory but I am struggling to see (and I have tried reading) what solutions Reform offer. |  |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 12:31 - Jul 8 with 1728 views | Luk38644 |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 16:28 - Jul 7 by Benters |
Luke 
Hope you are well dear chap. |
All OK this end mate, just enjoying my time being a Dad and husband while desperately wanting to get back to PR!!
How's things your end? |  | | |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 01:58 - Aug 10 with 1372 views | Hong_Kong_Bluey |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:38 - Jul 8 by homer_123 |
Again, genuine question, what are those thoughts and, even more significantly, what is it that you feel means Reform are better placed to resolve those than other parties.
For transparency, I don't think either the Tories or Labour have exactly covered themselves in glory but I am struggling to see (and I have tried reading) what solutions Reform offer. |
Hey Homer, soundbites and short sentences are not the best place for this. I also don't have the intelligent capacity to elaborate further. But let me try a few words ....
The crux of it comes down to the absolute contempt the established parties have had for the British people since 2016 revolving around the matter of immigration. Yes the people voted for "Brexit" per se. But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration.
What's happened in the decade since with the floodgates increasing shows this contempt to be real. Therefore the people have finally had enough, which is why we are where we are now.
How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person.
I do not necessarily think Reform is the answer, and maybe many other voters don't also. But faced with the options and faced with recent clear historical context which every voter has felt, many people beiieve there is simply no other choice. |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:47 - Aug 10 with 1280 views | Benters |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 12:31 - Jul 8 by Luk38644 |
All OK this end mate, just enjoying my time being a Dad and husband while desperately wanting to get back to PR!!
How's things your end? |
Good man.
I know what you mean buh.
Yeah I’m alright thanks same sh1t different day buh | |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 07:55 - Aug 10 with 1152 views | BlueNomad |
Tin Pot versus Aluminium Bin |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:24 - Aug 10 with 1051 views | BlueBoots |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 01:58 - Aug 10 by Hong_Kong_Bluey |
Hey Homer, soundbites and short sentences are not the best place for this. I also don't have the intelligent capacity to elaborate further. But let me try a few words ....
The crux of it comes down to the absolute contempt the established parties have had for the British people since 2016 revolving around the matter of immigration. Yes the people voted for "Brexit" per se. But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration.
What's happened in the decade since with the floodgates increasing shows this contempt to be real. Therefore the people have finally had enough, which is why we are where we are now.
How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person.
I do not necessarily think Reform is the answer, and maybe many other voters don't also. But faced with the options and faced with recent clear historical context which every voter has felt, many people beiieve there is simply no other choice. |
Guessing this thread has been dredged up as it's by-election week, but I'll bite...
"But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration."
Well, that's wrong for a start...the immigration that was demonised by the Brexit campaign was legal immigration from EU countries; anyone voting for Brexit to stop illegal immigration would have been self-harming, as while we were in the EU we had the Dublin regulation as a safeguard.
If your reference to the "floodgates increasing" refers to small boat crossings, then do you think it's a coincidence that these have increased massively since we left the Dublin regulation in 2020, or maybe because the people making these crossings are aware we no longer have a mechanism to automatically return them to the EU country they arrived from?
Switching from Brexit to Reform, Farage is still telling the British public that their woes are caused by foreigners; he's just moved on to different ones.
"How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person."
The only person treating the British public as idiots at the moment is Nigel Farage, by calling a by-election as a "distraction" (to use your own word) from the parliamentary investigation into his dodgy donations. The "established parties" saw through that and didn't play along, so he will no doubt win on Thursday; the investigation will then resume, and at some point there will be a recall leading to another by-election (which will cost the British taxpayers a further £250,000) involving the established parties.
On Thursday, I hope the people of Clacton vote for the Bin, not the contents [Post edited 10 Aug 10:16]
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:38 - Aug 10 with 1027 views | LeoMuff |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 01:58 - Aug 10 by Hong_Kong_Bluey |
Hey Homer, soundbites and short sentences are not the best place for this. I also don't have the intelligent capacity to elaborate further. But let me try a few words ....
The crux of it comes down to the absolute contempt the established parties have had for the British people since 2016 revolving around the matter of immigration. Yes the people voted for "Brexit" per se. But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration.
What's happened in the decade since with the floodgates increasing shows this contempt to be real. Therefore the people have finally had enough, which is why we are where we are now.
How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person.
I do not necessarily think Reform is the answer, and maybe many other voters don't also. But faced with the options and faced with recent clear historical context which every voter has felt, many people beiieve there is simply no other choice. |
If there are issues with uncontrolled immigration since 2016 that is on the Tories, numbers went through the roof, all the while saying they were tough in it.
Under this Labour term numbers have dropped dramatically. |  |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:43 - Aug 10 with 1015 views | Plums |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:38 - Aug 10 by LeoMuff |
If there are issues with uncontrolled immigration since 2016 that is on the Tories, numbers went through the roof, all the while saying they were tough in it.
Under this Labour term numbers have dropped dramatically. |
Please could you stop bringing facts to debates on this subject?
They're so inconvenient when one's views are entrenched and you've repeatedly been sold a lie by Moscow Nige and his cronies. [Post edited 10 Aug 12:25]
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:49 - Aug 10 with 997 views | CaptainAhab |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:24 - Aug 10 by BlueBoots |
Guessing this thread has been dredged up as it's by-election week, but I'll bite...
"But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration."
Well, that's wrong for a start...the immigration that was demonised by the Brexit campaign was legal immigration from EU countries; anyone voting for Brexit to stop illegal immigration would have been self-harming, as while we were in the EU we had the Dublin regulation as a safeguard.
If your reference to the "floodgates increasing" refers to small boat crossings, then do you think it's a coincidence that these have increased massively since we left the Dublin regulation in 2020, or maybe because the people making these crossings are aware we no longer have a mechanism to automatically return them to the EU country they arrived from?
Switching from Brexit to Reform, Farage is still telling the British public that their woes are caused by foreigners; he's just moved on to different ones.
"How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person."
The only person treating the British public as idiots at the moment is Nigel Farage, by calling a by-election as a "distraction" (to use your own word) from the parliamentary investigation into his dodgy donations. The "established parties" saw through that and didn't play along, so he will no doubt win on Thursday; the investigation will then resume, and at some point there will be a recall leading to another by-election (which will cost the British taxpayers a further £250,000) involving the established parties.
On Thursday, I hope the people of Clacton vote for the Bin, not the contents [Post edited 10 Aug 10:16]
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Very well said.
How people can still believe Nige has their best interests at heart is baffling to me. I guess people want simple answers to complex problems | | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 10:20 - Aug 10 with 923 views | Meadowlark |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:49 - Aug 10 by CaptainAhab |
Very well said.
How people can still believe Nige has their best interests at heart is baffling to me. I guess people want simple answers to complex problems |
It's like the Trump supporters in the US. They've nailed their colours to his mast and no matter how many facts you show them they will not be deterred from following their messiah.
They won't be persuaded by arguments or evidence, so it's pointless trying. |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 10:25 - Aug 10 with 900 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 01:58 - Aug 10 by Hong_Kong_Bluey |
Hey Homer, soundbites and short sentences are not the best place for this. I also don't have the intelligent capacity to elaborate further. But let me try a few words ....
The crux of it comes down to the absolute contempt the established parties have had for the British people since 2016 revolving around the matter of immigration. Yes the people voted for "Brexit" per se. But we all know the vote was for control of the British borders and to stop illegal immigration.
What's happened in the decade since with the floodgates increasing shows this contempt to be real. Therefore the people have finally had enough, which is why we are where we are now.
How can anyone trust anything these established parties say anymore? They treat the British people as idiots and think their words of distraction politics are good enough to fool the average person.
I do not necessarily think Reform is the answer, and maybe many other voters don't also. But faced with the options and faced with recent clear historical context which every voter has felt, many people beiieve there is simply no other choice. |
If the British people think immigration is the biggest problem then the British people ARE idiots.
Incredible that on one hand you use the phrase "distraction politics" and on the other support Farage, the absolute king of "distraction politics". |  |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:39 - Aug 10 with 787 views | LeoMuff |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 09:43 - Aug 10 by Plums |
Please could you stop bringing facts to debates on this subject?
They're so inconvenient when one's views are entrenched and you've repeatedly been sold a lie by Moscow Nige and his cronies. [Post edited 10 Aug 12:25]
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It’s not just slightly with from 900000 in 2023 to 175000 in 2025 | |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 14:00 - Aug 10 with 662 views | BABLUE |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:39 - Aug 10 by LeoMuff |
It’s not just slightly with from 900000 in 2023 to 175000 in 2025 |
Racist fools gonna racist fool |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 10:01 - Aug 11 with 475 views | SonOfSpock |
The most credible candidate is the SDP candidate William Clouston, Sadly, wont stand a cat in hells chance but you never know. |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 10:37 - Aug 11 with 414 views | naa |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 19:04 - Jul 7 by Hong_Kong_Bluey |
It's potentially because he and his party represent the thoughts of the majority of the British people. |
They poll below 40% at their peak.
Think you missed some important school lessons. | | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:12 - Aug 11 with 381 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 8 by Benters |
Good morning .
I am giving as good as I get,that’s all,and look I can manage it without being abusive or rude to my fellow posters.unlike some of you who can’t stand the fact someone has a different view to the majority on here.
Have a good day. [Post edited 8 Jul 5:09]
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That’s true enough. Sometimes it comes across as you’re only to wind people up, but maybe not. You certainly get plenty of grief, so nothing wrong with standing your ground.
You’ve shocking taste in £multi-millionaires looking to sell out our country though! |  |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:24 - Aug 11 with 358 views | Weekender |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 8 by Benters |
Good morning .
I am giving as good as I get,that’s all,and look I can manage it without being abusive or rude to my fellow posters.unlike some of you who can’t stand the fact someone has a different view to the majority on here.
Have a good day. [Post edited 8 Jul 5:09]
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You're right that disagreement itself isn't the problem. Any reasonable person accepts different viewpoints and opinions, that's not what winds people up.
What frustrates people, I think, is less about having a different view and more about how that view holds up when it's tested. If someone puts forward a position, gets pushed back with solid evidence, and just doesn't engage with it, repeats the same claim rather than addressing the counter evidence, that's where the frustration comes from. Not disagreement itself, but a perceived unwillingness to actually weigh the pushback.
The reasonable position, surely, is: hold your view, defend it if challenged, but if something is shown to be wrong on the evidence, be willing to update. That's not caving to the majority, it's just how reasonable disagreement is supposed to work. |  |
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| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:53 - Aug 11 with 281 views | balcombeblue |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:24 - Aug 11 by Weekender |
You're right that disagreement itself isn't the problem. Any reasonable person accepts different viewpoints and opinions, that's not what winds people up.
What frustrates people, I think, is less about having a different view and more about how that view holds up when it's tested. If someone puts forward a position, gets pushed back with solid evidence, and just doesn't engage with it, repeats the same claim rather than addressing the counter evidence, that's where the frustration comes from. Not disagreement itself, but a perceived unwillingness to actually weigh the pushback.
The reasonable position, surely, is: hold your view, defend it if challenged, but if something is shown to be wrong on the evidence, be willing to update. That's not caving to the majority, it's just how reasonable disagreement is supposed to work. |
I agree with the majority of what you’re saying, but it is dependent on both parties coming to a discussion with the belief and decency that the other people posting are not bad actors. I’m a centre right voter,, I think people make better decisions for themselves than the state. I’m euro sceptic for reasons I believe to be valid and I consider illegal migration to be incredibly damaging to those people coming here by that method and it distorts the social contract many of us have.
I also accept that at times I’m susceptible to being a tinge biased, but that’s human and those with other views often do the same. The good people on here admit it and we have good back and forth.-
However I’ve been maligned in a number of ways by posters on here and labelled accordingly. If I lived in Clacton I wouldn’t vote reform. I didn’t vote in 2024. But to consider people who do to be “thick racists” explain why the left continually lose arguments and historically lose elections. |  | | |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 12:07 - Aug 11 with 239 views | Weekender |
| Anyone here from Clacton gonna support this absolute walloper? (n/t) on 11:53 - Aug 11 by balcombeblue |
I agree with the majority of what you’re saying, but it is dependent on both parties coming to a discussion with the belief and decency that the other people posting are not bad actors. I’m a centre right voter,, I think people make better decisions for themselves than the state. I’m euro sceptic for reasons I believe to be valid and I consider illegal migration to be incredibly damaging to those people coming here by that method and it distorts the social contract many of us have.
I also accept that at times I’m susceptible to being a tinge biased, but that’s human and those with other views often do the same. The good people on here admit it and we have good back and forth.-
However I’ve been maligned in a number of ways by posters on here and labelled accordingly. If I lived in Clacton I wouldn’t vote reform. I didn’t vote in 2024. But to consider people who do to be “thick racists” explain why the left continually lose arguments and historically lose elections. |
Same disagreement, but it goes well or badly depending on whether both sides assume good faith.
There's a real difference between two kinds of disagreement. Things like how much the state should do, or how to weigh up migration policy, are matters of values and judgement. People can look at the same facts and land in different places, and that's fine, that's what debate is for. But facts themselves aren't like that. If a claim is shown to be factually wrong, sticking with it anyway isn't a "different viewpoint" any more, it's just refusing to update. That's where discussion breaks down, and it's a fair thing to expect from anyone, whatever their politics.
Being labelled is the harder part. Losing an argument is one thing. Being assumed to hold views you don't actually hold is another, and it shuts things down fast. That happens on both sides, most people who argue politics online have been on the receiving end of it at some point.
For what it's worth, admitting your own bias rather than pretending you have none is exactly what makes for a better conversation. Not everyone will match that, but it's still worth doing. | |
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