| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk 09:13 - Jul 10 with 2759 views | Dubtractor |
Weather has been stupid again this year.
The garden looks in a pretty desperate state, and the lack of rain makes the whole gardening thing feel like much harder work than it should, with pretty depressing results.
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 13:58 - Jul 10 with 702 views | ronnyd |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 10:33 - Jul 10 by Benters |
You are spot on regarding the watering of lawns.
Who cares if it dies of in the summer months,it always comes back again. |
My "lawn" is mostly weeds now so when i mow, all i do is decapitate them. |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:01 - Jul 10 with 697 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
Thanks for the heads up. Will give the garden a good soak tonight, fill up the water butt and buckets, as well as the paddling pool, in readiness for the ban after midnight! |  |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:02 - Jul 10 with 695 views | Gogs |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 09:31 - Jul 10 by buoyant |
It's in the whole of the Anglian Water region. Pretty desperate stuff, the last hosepipe ban was 2014 I think.
There was a call to arms last night for additional resources in the Huntingdon area, as local water storage was so low that there was a potential that bottled water may have to been distrubuted to vulnerable households.
Despite Anglian being one of the better water companies on leakage performance, they still lose 200 million litres a day our of the network.
Privatisation working well eh ... |
Despite Anglian being one of the better water companies on leakage performance
I would hope for the rest of the UK that this statement is factually incorrect, as the amount of unattended water leaks in Ipswich at the moment is disgraceful. The ones on Back Hamlet and near the Spring Road viaduct are particularly terrible and have been going on for well over a month. I've complained about both, the Spring Road one they tried to tell me was a council flooding issue (it isn't), and the Back Hamlet one they're aware of but still not due to attend for another week, because and i quote 'that's the level of service'! I expect their directors will still get nice fat bonuses at the end of the year whilst we'll be faced with a big hike in water bills |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:23 - Jul 10 with 663 views | Blue_Balls |
I have a borehole - does that mean I can still use my hose as it's not on mains supply? |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:33 - Jul 10 with 641 views | SonOfSpock |
Almost like we need more reservoirs and leaks fixing, alas. |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 16:27 - Jul 10 with 568 views | Blooos |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 13:30 - Jul 10 by Dubtractor |
Personally don't see our recent weather as nice at all to be honest.
Not good for humans, not good for nature.
I love sunshine, don't get me wrong, but we've had had one brief rainy spell in 3 months. That's not good. |
It rained all week non-stop about 3 weeks ago, rained last weekend briefly. Not sure how anyone wouldn't like this weather, get the BBQ on and enjoy a nice cold beer. | | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 16:38 - Jul 10 with 553 views | Dubtractor |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 16:27 - Jul 10 by Blooos |
It rained all week non-stop about 3 weeks ago, rained last weekend briefly. Not sure how anyone wouldn't like this weather, get the BBQ on and enjoy a nice cold beer. |
That '3 weeks ago was more like 6 weeks i think, and regardless it is pretty obvious that we've had way too little rain, anyone with a lawn can tell that.
Fwiw I might agree with the point about it being lovely bbq weather if I wasn't a gardener, but I can't ignore the impacts it is having. | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 19:57 - Jul 10 with 491 views | flykickingbybgunn |
My hose pipe identifies as a can. |  | | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 20:01 - Jul 10 with 474 views | buoyant |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:23 - Jul 10 by Blue_Balls |
I have a borehole - does that mean I can still use my hose as it's not on mains supply? |
If you're not paying an AW bill, you can do as you please. You may want to think about draining the aquifer that you rely on for a water supply however. |  |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 20:08 - Jul 10 with 461 views | buoyant |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:02 - Jul 10 by Gogs |
Despite Anglian being one of the better water companies on leakage performance
I would hope for the rest of the UK that this statement is factually incorrect, as the amount of unattended water leaks in Ipswich at the moment is disgraceful. The ones on Back Hamlet and near the Spring Road viaduct are particularly terrible and have been going on for well over a month. I've complained about both, the Spring Road one they tried to tell me was a council flooding issue (it isn't), and the Back Hamlet one they're aware of but still not due to attend for another week, because and i quote 'that's the level of service'! I expect their directors will still get nice fat bonuses at the end of the year whilst we'll be faced with a big hike in water bills |
https://www.gov.uk/government/
Go to figure 7
The performance is poor across the board. | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 20:14 - Jul 10 with 444 views | buoyant |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 14:02 - Jul 10 by Gogs |
Despite Anglian being one of the better water companies on leakage performance
I would hope for the rest of the UK that this statement is factually incorrect, as the amount of unattended water leaks in Ipswich at the moment is disgraceful. The ones on Back Hamlet and near the Spring Road viaduct are particularly terrible and have been going on for well over a month. I've complained about both, the Spring Road one they tried to tell me was a council flooding issue (it isn't), and the Back Hamlet one they're aware of but still not due to attend for another week, because and i quote 'that's the level of service'! I expect their directors will still get nice fat bonuses at the end of the year whilst we'll be faced with a big hike in water bills |
Edit. Duplicate post [Post edited 10 Jul 20:15]
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 21:26 - Jul 10 with 393 views | mellowblue |
Just noiced that North East Suffolk has avoided a hosepipe ban (for now). As it comes under Essex and Suffolk Water and they have taken no action yet. Handy. My newly planted 150 hedge plants will be pleased. | | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 05:31 - Jul 11 with 304 views | Benters |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 13:58 - Jul 10 by ronnyd |
My "lawn" is mostly weeds now so when i mow, all i do is decapitate them. |
Yeah mine is,I’m not a fan of lawns,they have to be prefect for me to appreciate them.
They always come back after a dry spell anyway. |  |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 05:32 - Jul 11 with 303 views | Benters |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 13:53 - Jul 10 by wkj |
I remember when we managed to get through a summer without being told to ration water every few years. Mind you, perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. Every time I see Clacton on the television it seems suspiciously green. You do wonder if someone's diverted the lot down there for electoral purposes.
Probably nothing in it of course. Just one of those coincidences, like potholes mysteriously disappearing in certain constituencies while the rest of us are told to let the lawn die for the greater good. Funny old world. |
It’s a bit scorched now in places,there was a big old field fire the other day and they had to close the main road down info Clacton. | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 06:19 - Jul 11 with 290 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 21:26 - Jul 10 by mellowblue |
Just noiced that North East Suffolk has avoided a hosepipe ban (for now). As it comes under Essex and Suffolk Water and they have taken no action yet. Handy. My newly planted 150 hedge plants will be pleased. |
Large parts of Norfolk and Suffolk rely on underground water not reservoirs. The system is it rains and the rain soaks into the ground. That raises the water table.
This can then just be pumped out at boreholes scattered around the county.
That is why even though we have much less rainfall we rarely run out because we can use literally every drop. | | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 06:47 - Jul 11 with 273 views | Benters |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 21:26 - Jul 10 by mellowblue |
Just noiced that North East Suffolk has avoided a hosepipe ban (for now). As it comes under Essex and Suffolk Water and they have taken no action yet. Handy. My newly planted 150 hedge plants will be pleased. |
I’ve been out since 6am with my olde metal watering can I got out of a skip .. watering my pots and plants with a added spoon full of Miracle Grow.
My Waterbutts have completely run dry now,so it was outside tap only. | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 09:58 - Jul 11 with 217 views | flykickingbybgunn |
The Essex and Suffolk water area extends roughly from Aldeburgh west to Diss and then north east to Yarmouth. The Essex part is around Southend.
They have no hosepipe ban. | | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 10:10 - Jul 11 with 209 views | Benters |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 09:58 - Jul 11 by flykickingbybgunn |
The Essex and Suffolk water area extends roughly from Aldeburgh west to Diss and then north east to Yarmouth. The Essex part is around Southend.
They have no hosepipe ban. |
I’ve seen it said it starts tomorrow in Benters. | |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 10:30 - Jul 11 with 188 views | strikalite |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 10:33 - Jul 10 by Benters |
You are spot on regarding the watering of lawns.
Who cares if it dies of in the summer months,it always comes back again. |
People like to show off to their neighbours, the best lawn in the close syndrome 🤣 |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 11:31 - Jul 11 with 166 views | Radlett_blue |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 13:40 - Jul 10 by StokieBlue |
The issues around investment come from the folly of privatisation.
However, moving water around the country is going to be a real problem with the sheer level of nimbyism that is on display in this country. There is a huge subset of people that would rather keep their view or have a bit less traffic than actually have things that will keep the country working over the much longer term.
The planning alone to build a water transfer canal system would take decades given all the objections that would be raised.
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It's not as simple as that. The rationale for water (& other utility privatisations) was that companies would be able to raise the necessary finance for improving their infrastructure & this wouldn't count as part of the National Debt, affecting Britain's credit rating & cost of government debt. Even if water had remained nationalised, I doubt we would have found the money to make the necessary investment. |  |
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| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 12:18 - Jul 11 with 143 views | stonojnr |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 10:37 - Jul 10 by Rimsy |
One thing we're not short of in Britain is water. What we are short of is a system that manages the abundance we get over the year. None of the water companies invest in the infrastructure, just take as higher dividends as possible for their investors. |
keep in mind those "investors" include lots of pension funds, just like the Arizona Public Safety Personnel Retirement System invests in ITFC, lots of pension funds, encouraged by the government and actually including local government pension schemes too, invest in utility companies like water companies, because they get decent returns, and arent too risky for them.
so dont blame dividends or investors as the problem, they are a good thing, the problem is the cost of building a new reservoir.
why is the cost so high ? the Thames Water Abingdon example being the most recent 2.2 billion that increased to 7.5 billion pounds. in the 70s-90s we built reservoirs that cost just couple hundred million in inflation adjusted numbers. California is building a reservoir thats nearly 10 times the capacity for about 5 billion pounds
so why the insane cost rise ? why is construction so expensive in the UK now, its because of the planning and regulatory red tape that government imposes on construction thesedays, and that organisations and pressure groups exploit to use lawfare against construction projects, even when such projects are in the national interest.
there is literally a pressure group I forget their name, but they use the courts to object to every major government planning application scheme or project, they always win against the government because the planning rules are written in such a way now that you literally cant build anything anymore without spending insane amounts of money, and because they win, they get awarded the costs too, so they actually get paid and make money from taking the government to court to stop the government building things.
400million quid was spent on the lower Thames crossing planning application alone, which went to 360,000 pages of documents
if only the government had the power to change the planning system rules, so that this didnt happen...of course if they did Im sure we'd see more lawfare claims against it and the supreme court would almost certainly decide parliament couldnt do that, even though they can, but thats the mess that constitutional reform in the early noughties delivered us.
and thats why none of this is getting fixed anytime soon. | | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 19:10 - Jul 11 with 77 views | blueoutlook |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 09:23 - Jul 10 by StokieBlue |
Won't be long before there is a need to move to more sun-hardy plants like they have on southern Spain if people want to have a garden that doesn't die off every winter.
SB |
Yes, my Mrs did that this year in tubs and they look really nice,they need minimal water and stay green. She planted olive trees and put smaller plants around them that are used to the conditions and they do look good. Our lawn mind is almost white ! |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 19:27 - Jul 11 with 66 views | BloomBlue |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 12:18 - Jul 11 by stonojnr |
keep in mind those "investors" include lots of pension funds, just like the Arizona Public Safety Personnel Retirement System invests in ITFC, lots of pension funds, encouraged by the government and actually including local government pension schemes too, invest in utility companies like water companies, because they get decent returns, and arent too risky for them.
so dont blame dividends or investors as the problem, they are a good thing, the problem is the cost of building a new reservoir.
why is the cost so high ? the Thames Water Abingdon example being the most recent 2.2 billion that increased to 7.5 billion pounds. in the 70s-90s we built reservoirs that cost just couple hundred million in inflation adjusted numbers. California is building a reservoir thats nearly 10 times the capacity for about 5 billion pounds
so why the insane cost rise ? why is construction so expensive in the UK now, its because of the planning and regulatory red tape that government imposes on construction thesedays, and that organisations and pressure groups exploit to use lawfare against construction projects, even when such projects are in the national interest.
there is literally a pressure group I forget their name, but they use the courts to object to every major government planning application scheme or project, they always win against the government because the planning rules are written in such a way now that you literally cant build anything anymore without spending insane amounts of money, and because they win, they get awarded the costs too, so they actually get paid and make money from taking the government to court to stop the government building things.
400million quid was spent on the lower Thames crossing planning application alone, which went to 360,000 pages of documents
if only the government had the power to change the planning system rules, so that this didnt happen...of course if they did Im sure we'd see more lawfare claims against it and the supreme court would almost certainly decide parliament couldnt do that, even though they can, but thats the mess that constitutional reform in the early noughties delivered us.
and thats why none of this is getting fixed anytime soon. |
That's the point i made above, the original Thames Water Abingdon reservoir was stopped by the planning and the Nimbys. One of the ironic arguments by the Nimbys then was there wasn't a need for that much future demand. It was going to cost Thames water £1b then - they were happy to pay it.
Now, surprise the demand is there, and they're revisiting it, but again planning will delay and delay it.
It won't make any difference if we nationalise the water companies, the planning issue will still delay everything. The Gov needs to declare the building of reservoirs as critical and overrule any local objects. Basically the same as they did with the Norwich to Tilbury overhead power lines, stick two fingers up to the Nimbys. |  | | |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 19:49 - Jul 11 with 54 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Hosepipe ban incoming for Suffolk on 12:18 - Jul 11 by stonojnr |
keep in mind those "investors" include lots of pension funds, just like the Arizona Public Safety Personnel Retirement System invests in ITFC, lots of pension funds, encouraged by the government and actually including local government pension schemes too, invest in utility companies like water companies, because they get decent returns, and arent too risky for them.
so dont blame dividends or investors as the problem, they are a good thing, the problem is the cost of building a new reservoir.
why is the cost so high ? the Thames Water Abingdon example being the most recent 2.2 billion that increased to 7.5 billion pounds. in the 70s-90s we built reservoirs that cost just couple hundred million in inflation adjusted numbers. California is building a reservoir thats nearly 10 times the capacity for about 5 billion pounds
so why the insane cost rise ? why is construction so expensive in the UK now, its because of the planning and regulatory red tape that government imposes on construction thesedays, and that organisations and pressure groups exploit to use lawfare against construction projects, even when such projects are in the national interest.
there is literally a pressure group I forget their name, but they use the courts to object to every major government planning application scheme or project, they always win against the government because the planning rules are written in such a way now that you literally cant build anything anymore without spending insane amounts of money, and because they win, they get awarded the costs too, so they actually get paid and make money from taking the government to court to stop the government building things.
400million quid was spent on the lower Thames crossing planning application alone, which went to 360,000 pages of documents
if only the government had the power to change the planning system rules, so that this didnt happen...of course if they did Im sure we'd see more lawfare claims against it and the supreme court would almost certainly decide parliament couldnt do that, even though they can, but thats the mess that constitutional reform in the early noughties delivered us.
and thats why none of this is getting fixed anytime soon. |
Planning is part of the reason, but earlier than that we’re missing the joined up needs analysis and political planning to identify these large projects in the first case. Not having a national future-proofed framework of our large infrastructure projects mapped out is as big an issue as planning blocks. You can’t block something that nobody’s thought to propose. Planning becomes an issue down the line (and is an issue, I agree). And then there’s the rising labour costs and shortage of labour driving up project prices and leading to overruns. Fundamentally though to me it seems quite a reactive system and we’re largely at the whim of investors as to what gets built, which seems a bit arse about face. |  |
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