| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta 09:58 - Jul 31 with 11298 views | ElderGrizzly |
Astonishing, when the initial media report was 'hundreds'
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
And with Italy calling for the suspension Schengen Area with Spain too |  | | |  |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:44 - Aug 1 with 1259 views | J2BLUE |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:31 - Aug 1 by lowhouseblue |
what is there to suggest any action by israel or that "israel may have had something to do with this"? there are vaguely tangential smears and extremely contorted logic that israel at some very obscure level. nothing else. it's just the usual unevidenced conspiracy nonsense. |
Netanyahu sayings countries who oppose Israel will pay an immediate price
His son's tweets
The thinktank.
Replace Israel with Russia and I don't think there would be a problem.
Anyway, I am off out, we can agree to disagree. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:47 - Aug 1 with 1239 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What's confusing me this morning is that the BBC are still reporting this event and it's fall out without mentioning that pretty much everyone has been returned. |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:56 - Aug 1 with 1180 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:31 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
You are just a horrid, twisted little man who throws anti-semitism at anyone who points out Israel might be doing something bad.
I’ve literally shown the detail which appears to show Israel encouraging certain behaviours or actions.
As I said before and others have told you, that isn’t anti-semitism, it is holding people to account. |
How odd. Blueschev raised this first and didn’t get abuse from you or the downvotes I revived.
49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta by Blueschev 31 Jul 16:25Implying that Israel is somehow engineering mass immigration in to Europe is a classic case of antisemitism. It's levelled against Israel because Israel is a Jewish state, and it is an old fashioned Jewish conspiracy theory. I'm no fan of Israel, but the origins of such a theory are pretty obvious.
I’ll leave you to it. |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 with 1183 views | DJR |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:47 - Aug 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What's confusing me this morning is that the BBC are still reporting this event and it's fall out without mentioning that pretty much everyone has been returned. |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
|  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:58 - Aug 1 with 1169 views | lowhouseblue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:44 - Aug 1 by J2BLUE |
Netanyahu sayings countries who oppose Israel will pay an immediate price
His son's tweets
The thinktank.
Replace Israel with Russia and I don't think there would be a problem.
Anyway, I am off out, we can agree to disagree. |
none of that is evidence of anything. the son (who cares about the son) is clearly criticising spain's hypocrisy, nothing more. the opinion piece linked is talking about diplomacy. this is all nonsense and conflation. evidence of russia's wrong doing is very well documented - it isn't just wishful thinking and the wilful twisting of two insignificant online links. this is a cil level of mid-wittery. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 with 1141 views | BlueBoots |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
|
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
? |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:09 - Aug 1 with 1126 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
|
Much like the reporting of the 'close to Sizewell' fire they are increasingly falling into sensationalism. | |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:14 - Aug 1 with 1118 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 by BlueBoots |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
? |
There was no reference to this on the tv Breakfast report this morning. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:47 - Aug 1 with 1078 views | DJR |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 by BlueBoots |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
? |
It's the headline that counts though, and how many glancing at the main headlines on BBC News online will even click on, let alone read, the whole article?
Maybe the BBC don't have the sub-editors anymore to change the headline, but when it comes to some of the papers, a headline such as this merely fits their agenda.
Interestingly, the BBC headline even mentions 60,000 people when most reports I've seen mention 50,000. [Post edited 1 Aug 11:10]
| | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:14 - Aug 1 with 1025 views | DJR |
He's not wrong!
"The Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, has hit back at some EU countries for what he described as their “selfish, polarising and illegal reaction” to the mass border crossings at Ceuta, as he thanked Morocco for its help in dealing with the crisis.
In a letter to Brussels, he said several European states have chosen to “attack” Spain and request its temporary exclusion from the Schengen area, driven by “prejudice, fake news, ignorance, or political interests” that is contrary to European law, humanitarian law and the principles of EU solidarity, the Spanish El Pais newspaper reported.
Sánchez argued that in less than 48 hours, his government managed to “fully restore control of the border, provide extensive humanitarian assistance, return virtually all migrants who crossed irregularly and prevent any unauthorised movement towards continental Europe”.
“All of this has been achieved in close coordination with the Moroccan authorities and with very little support from other European states,” he added.
He called for an emergency meeting of EU interior ministers “as a matter of urgency”."
And interestingly, Spain has a returns agreement with Morocco. [Post edited 1 Aug 11:18]
| | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:16 - Aug 1 with 1015 views | BlueBoots |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:14 - Aug 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
There was no reference to this on the tv Breakfast report this morning. |
Pretty poor form if that's the case (don't really watch TV news any more, and try to get mine from a few sources in the hope of sifting through any bias) | |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:26 - Aug 1 with 985 views | BarcaBlue |
Trump's reaction yesterday...
“You know I saw Spain yesterday, and I watched the catastrophe that took place. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people,” Trump said. “And that same thing is going to happen to us if the Republicans don’t get elected. Except worse, much bigger.”
It's little surprise that a lot of people here are talking about outside influences and at the very least highlighting those trying to benefit from a situation that ended up with everyone going home within 48 hours except the 57 or so who drowned. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:35 - Aug 1 with 950 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:26 - Aug 1 by BarcaBlue |
Trump's reaction yesterday...
“You know I saw Spain yesterday, and I watched the catastrophe that took place. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people,” Trump said. “And that same thing is going to happen to us if the Republicans don’t get elected. Except worse, much bigger.”
It's little surprise that a lot of people here are talking about outside influences and at the very least highlighting those trying to benefit from a situation that ended up with everyone going home within 48 hours except the 57 or so who drowned. |
The Spanish PM has stood out as one with sufficient honour and integrity to fully call out a genocidal Israeli regime rather than the pathetic response of the rest of W Europe. He also called out Trump more directly than other leaders.
Then this happens.
Someone must be behind it somewhere.
To drag up anti semitism is ridiculous.
If Israel stopped killing thousands of people and denying basic rights to people maybe they wouldn't get all this criticism and accusation. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 with 921 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:42 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
So I’ve posted links by respected political analysts who say there ‘may’ be something else going on with evidenced links back to Israel.
The US Secretary of State is on record pushing a narrative against Spain and pro-Morocco on Cueta.
You just keep saying - no it’s a conspiracy.
Post evidence to the contrary then.
Oh and I’d love to know my fantasy political reasoning 😂 [Post edited 1 Aug 9:43]
|
We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:51 - Aug 1 with 893 views | BarcaBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |
Quite. The Israeli ambassador to the UN today called for the return of Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Now that's a whole different debate in itself but a bit rich coming from a country currently occupying two countries in the region. | | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:54 - Aug 1 with 873 views | StokieBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |
Careful now, you'll get an imaginary card from the self-appointed board moderator for posting like that.
SB [Post edited 1 Aug 11:54]
|  |
| Avatar - M101 - Pinwheel Galaxy |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:00 - Aug 1 with 831 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:51 - Aug 1 by BarcaBlue |
Quite. The Israeli ambassador to the UN today called for the return of Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Now that's a whole different debate in itself but a bit rich coming from a country currently occupying two countries in the region. |
Yes, a bit rich!
I find it (antisemitism) a really tricky issue to navigate, as people should be able to call out antisemitism where they see it. So I’m really nervous of challenging anything where I think people may be over-zealous in accusations of antisemitism. But surely it’s relevant questioning Israel’s motives here when we have statements like the one you’ve just mentioned?
On the other hand we have to be mindful of the backdrop of antisemitism here in the UK. This report released this week really highlights the problem we have now in the UK with antisemitism; it’s shameful: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art | |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:13 - Aug 1 with 779 views | BarcaBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:00 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, a bit rich!
I find it (antisemitism) a really tricky issue to navigate, as people should be able to call out antisemitism where they see it. So I’m really nervous of challenging anything where I think people may be over-zealous in accusations of antisemitism. But surely it’s relevant questioning Israel’s motives here when we have statements like the one you’ve just mentioned?
On the other hand we have to be mindful of the backdrop of antisemitism here in the UK. This report released this week really highlights the problem we have now in the UK with antisemitism; it’s shameful: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
There's a debate to be had over who or what was behind the events of the last two days. That debate is naturally going to include countries that have publicly threatened Spain or have longstanding grievances. You can't just shut down the debate by claiming anti-Semitism.
Netanyahu accused Pedro Sanchez of anti- Semitism when he spoke out against Israel and genocide in Palestine. All it does is belittle and ignore real instances, much like it does calling people fascists, islamaphobes or whatever when trying to shut down debate. | | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 17:28 - Aug 1 with 609 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:00 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, a bit rich!
I find it (antisemitism) a really tricky issue to navigate, as people should be able to call out antisemitism where they see it. So I’m really nervous of challenging anything where I think people may be over-zealous in accusations of antisemitism. But surely it’s relevant questioning Israel’s motives here when we have statements like the one you’ve just mentioned?
On the other hand we have to be mindful of the backdrop of antisemitism here in the UK. This report released this week really highlights the problem we have now in the UK with antisemitism; it’s shameful: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
And the US more involved than previously thought
Sitting US politician spilling the beans
| | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 17:29 - Aug 1 with 601 views | Zx1988 |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 17:28 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
And the US more involved than previously thought
Sitting US politician spilling the beans
|
Careful, EG. You'll get accused of being anti-American. |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 19:19 - Aug 1 with 530 views | lowhouseblue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 17:28 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
And the US more involved than previously thought
Sitting US politician spilling the beans
|
now try to remember, what you were quoting approvingly was a claim that this was "a long-term 'plot' by Israel to destabilise certain countries". do you remember?
but, what you're linking now is completely unrelated to israel, and is irrelevant to your original fantasy claim.
the only thing approaching a decision in what you have linked is: "the committee supports efforts by the secretary of state to encourage diplomatic engagement between morocco and spain on the future status of ceuta and melilla."
so even your link doesn't support the claim in the tweet or the conspiracy stuff you are trying to insinuate.
you're getting pretty desperate | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 20:47 - Aug 1 with 467 views | BarcaBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:13 - Aug 1 by BarcaBlue |
There's a debate to be had over who or what was behind the events of the last two days. That debate is naturally going to include countries that have publicly threatened Spain or have longstanding grievances. You can't just shut down the debate by claiming anti-Semitism.
Netanyahu accused Pedro Sanchez of anti- Semitism when he spoke out against Israel and genocide in Palestine. All it does is belittle and ignore real instances, much like it does calling people fascists, islamaphobes or whatever when trying to shut down debate. |
Speaking of debate, here's an article that brings together a lot of what's been discussed here, except those trying to shut down any debate of course.
https://italiantimes.substack.
It covers a lot of what is being discussed in Spain at the moment. | | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 21:03 - Aug 1 with 448 views | Bigalhunter |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 08:19 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
And it’s not the first time this particular poster has engaged in antisemitic conspires on this forum. Not long ago it was the puppeteer trope. Twice.
I’ve only just seen this today but somebody posted this as abuse yesterday, which would have brought the post to Phil’s attention. Whether posting an antisemitic conspiracy theory is abuse or not is legitimate debate. But I’m appalled that Phil has seen this and left an antisemitic conspiracy theory to remain on the board. |
‘I’m appalled that Phil has seen this and left an antisemitic conspiracy theory to remain on the board.’
Thankfully, he’s also seen through your insidious little agenda.
We’ve been here before with you throwing accusations at everyone including admin, prior to your ban.
If anyone else chooses to fire in spurious abuse reports, hopefully Phil will just lock the thread and leave this appalling attempt to tell him how to run his site there for all to see, rather than culling the thread… |  |
| It used to great on here when people let me say whatever I wanted and giggled along - (Rough translation of post from un-named TWTD contributor, 2026) | | Poll: | September 2025. Which one? |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 07:13 - Aug 2 with 243 views | Benters |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 21:03 - Aug 1 by Bigalhunter |
‘I’m appalled that Phil has seen this and left an antisemitic conspiracy theory to remain on the board.’
Thankfully, he’s also seen through your insidious little agenda.
We’ve been here before with you throwing accusations at everyone including admin, prior to your ban.
If anyone else chooses to fire in spurious abuse reports, hopefully Phil will just lock the thread and leave this appalling attempt to tell him how to run his site there for all to see, rather than culling the thread… |
Blooming arrows ! I was being trunky and wanted to see who upped you 🤨😵💫 |  |
| |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:54 - Aug 2 with 146 views | vapour_trail |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 21:03 - Aug 1 by Bigalhunter |
‘I’m appalled that Phil has seen this and left an antisemitic conspiracy theory to remain on the board.’
Thankfully, he’s also seen through your insidious little agenda.
We’ve been here before with you throwing accusations at everyone including admin, prior to your ban.
If anyone else chooses to fire in spurious abuse reports, hopefully Phil will just lock the thread and leave this appalling attempt to tell him how to run his site there for all to see, rather than culling the thread… |
Abuse reported?
Christ on a bike. We have some very delicate flowers in our midst. |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
