| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 with 1159 views | eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |  | |  |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:58 - Aug 1 with 1126 views | J2BLUE |
Well you don't see that every day. A lawyer saying violence is justified. Incredible. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:28 - Aug 1 with 1075 views | Whos_blue |
Yeah. My heart sank when I read that on the news earlier.
Shameful. |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:52 - Aug 1 with 1003 views | GlasgowBlue |
It's occupation and terrorism. No ifs and no buts. |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:14 - Aug 1 with 942 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 by eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |
I heard some cntu on Radio 4 earlier saying one Jewish life for one million Palestinians because the fking bible. BBC shouldn't give scum like that airtime.
edit: It's apparently the same fat racist scumbag in this article. Filth. [Post edited 1 Aug 13:22]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:41 - Aug 1 with 835 views | ronnyd |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:42 - Aug 1 by eirannach_gorm |
international law was irrelevant, because the Bible gave Jews their right to West Bank land. |
What chance is there for peace with such intransigence? | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:45 - Aug 1 with 818 views | SouthBucksBlue |
I saw this article earlier and I was absolutely disgusted.
This guy is a lawyer so presumably not unintelligent but justifies this behaviour by referring to something promised in a religious document (from one of hundreds of doctrines that exist) from over two thousand years ago.
It’s good to see the BBC reporting this kind of thing for a change.
With regards to the concerning rise in antisemitism in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Jewry did more to distance itself from the vile conduct of Israel.
Instead governments continue the supply of military support and seem scared to intervene. Also there are such as Lord Pannick who recently tried to evoke legal proceedings to prevent Kier Starmer recognising Palestine as a state. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 15:51 - Aug 1 with 685 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:45 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I saw this article earlier and I was absolutely disgusted.
This guy is a lawyer so presumably not unintelligent but justifies this behaviour by referring to something promised in a religious document (from one of hundreds of doctrines that exist) from over two thousand years ago.
It’s good to see the BBC reporting this kind of thing for a change.
With regards to the concerning rise in antisemitism in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Jewry did more to distance itself from the vile conduct of Israel.
Instead governments continue the supply of military support and seem scared to intervene. Also there are such as Lord Pannick who recently tried to evoke legal proceedings to prevent Kier Starmer recognising Palestine as a state. |
"With regards to the concerning rise in Islamophobia in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Muslims did more to distance themselves from the vile conduct of Islamists".
Victim blaming at it's very worst. We actually has a few posters called out for stating that Islam was the problem, not a warped interpretation of Islam. It went to the pages. But Jews are obligated to called out the actions of Israel to reduce racism against them? Staggering.
I'd like to think that the same posters who spent several pages on the issue of Islamophobia will do the same on your contribution to this thread. So far there is one. Me. We'll see. [Post edited 1 Aug 16:47]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 with 585 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 15:51 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
"With regards to the concerning rise in Islamophobia in the U.K. and Europe I’ve always thought that this would reduce if British and European Muslims did more to distance themselves from the vile conduct of Islamists".
Victim blaming at it's very worst. We actually has a few posters called out for stating that Islam was the problem, not a warped interpretation of Islam. It went to the pages. But Jews are obligated to called out the actions of Israel to reduce racism against them? Staggering.
I'd like to think that the same posters who spent several pages on the issue of Islamophobia will do the same on your contribution to this thread. So far there is one. Me. We'll see. [Post edited 1 Aug 16:47]
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I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:33 - Aug 1 with 553 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? |
And all that you list is as much to do with Alfie Cohen in Golders Green as the Islamist attack in Berlin has to do with Omar Khan of Tower Hamlets.
Next I meet I see my Chinese neighbour I’ll demand that he is more vocal about Xi’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That way less people will be racist towards him and his family.
Staggering that people think this way. Racism is always the fault of the racists. Not the victims. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:00 - Aug 1 with 506 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:33 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
And all that you list is as much to do with Alfie Cohen in Golders Green as the Islamist attack in Berlin has to do with Omar Khan of Tower Hamlets.
Next I meet I see my Chinese neighbour I’ll demand that he is more vocal about Xi’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That way less people will be racist towards him and his family.
Staggering that people think this way. Racism is always the fault of the racists. Not the victims. |
The reality is that ignorant racists will discriminate against Alfie Cohen. Maybe if European Jewry distanced itself from the Israeli regime, Alfie Cohen would be perceived differently and not discriminated against because of the actions of Israel. [Post edited 1 Aug 18:02]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:02 - Aug 1 with 403 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:00 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
The reality is that ignorant racists will discriminate against Alfie Cohen. Maybe if European Jewry distanced itself from the Israeli regime, Alfie Cohen would be perceived differently and not discriminated against because of the actions of Israel. [Post edited 1 Aug 18:02]
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And, as stated, the prevalent belief that people of Islam should call out the actions of Hamas and Al Qaeda it was rightly shouted down that they should not be responsible for actions of the extreme.
Blaming innocent people because of the actions of others who happen to follow their creed or sect is the start of a very slippery slope.
It is good that the BBC is publicising these beliefs, however. It's good for as many people as possible to find out how ridiculous these views are, as well as dangerousm | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 with 391 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:02 - Aug 1 by pointofblue |
And, as stated, the prevalent belief that people of Islam should call out the actions of Hamas and Al Qaeda it was rightly shouted down that they should not be responsible for actions of the extreme.
Blaming innocent people because of the actions of others who happen to follow their creed or sect is the start of a very slippery slope.
It is good that the BBC is publicising these beliefs, however. It's good for as many people as possible to find out how ridiculous these views are, as well as dangerousm |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:28 - Aug 1 with 350 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |
It was very welcome and would be welcome. Though there are Jewish groups who are calling out the treatment of Palestinians, including in Israel itself. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:44 - Aug 1 with 318 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:10 - Aug 1 by SouthBucksBlue |
I don’t see it as victim blaming.
I see it as a pertinent question when an vile extremist regime continues to invade and steal other peoples land, bulldozes their homes and builds their own because the bible says it’s okay and international law doesn’t apply.
Factor in the continuing killings in Gaza during the ceasefire which are largely unreported and for good measure the delightful IDF tactic of following up their attacks to get the first responders as well.
Why isn’t this behaviour being condemned by wider Jewry do you think? |
I think this is pretty misguided in truth. I hate the actions of Israel as much as anyone, and I have my reasons for that, but I don’t think calling on just the Jewish community to speak up against it is right or fair. Anyone supporting the actions of Israel’s government is despicable, regardless of their religion, in the same way that anyone supporting Hamas’ actions is equally despicable. We should all call out these horrendous actions at every opportunity, but expecting one particular group to take the lead on that isn’t right in my opinion. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 with 258 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:28 - Aug 1 by pointofblue |
It was very welcome and would be welcome. Though there are Jewish groups who are calling out the treatment of Palestinians, including in Israel itself. |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 21:30 - Aug 1 with 178 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. |
The Archbishop of Canterbury doesn’t condemn attacks carried out by Christian terrorists.
Surely European Christians should be condemning acts of violence carried out in Gods name by other Christians.
If not, maybe people will start thinking unkindly of European Christians.
Hmmm….yeah…when you say it out loud it does sound…..ridiculous. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 22:37 - Aug 1 with 92 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:58 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s great and should be welcomed. Is the problem simply that it’s good that these groups denounce the violence but there shouldn’t be any expectation on them to do so? If so that seems quite a fine line yet I do see that distinction. TBH it’s an area that continually confuses me because it’s so heated/political/weaponised. |
My point is Islamophobia and anti-Semitism should not be accepted or expected just because because do not denounce vile actions which happen in the name of their religion. It's not even acceptable if they outright support it. I get how it can be difficult but not sinking to the lowest level is the first step in fighting back. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 22:38 - Aug 1 with 91 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:44 - Aug 1 by wrightsrightglove |
I think this is pretty misguided in truth. I hate the actions of Israel as much as anyone, and I have my reasons for that, but I don’t think calling on just the Jewish community to speak up against it is right or fair. Anyone supporting the actions of Israel’s government is despicable, regardless of their religion, in the same way that anyone supporting Hamas’ actions is equally despicable. We should all call out these horrendous actions at every opportunity, but expecting one particular group to take the lead on that isn’t right in my opinion. |
I agree. Our government and all governments should be doing far more to condemn and ostracise Israel's government, but to demand non-Israeli Jews take action is unfair. However, anybody actively supporting Israel's actions is contemptible, in my opinion.
Also, the Israeli electorate bear some responsibility for the actions carried out in their name, and for their apparent lack of action to remedy the war crimes carried out by their monstrous government and armed forces. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 23:43 - Aug 1 with 40 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:08 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It can be helpful for community leaders to condemn and distance the wider community from atrocities carried out in the name of their community/faith though, no? It must help diffuse tensions and most people would realise such leaders or the community as a whole aren’t responsible. The condemnation by UK Muslim leaders of the Hamas attacks on 7th October seemed welcome at the time, for example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/e |
What GB repeatedly fails to acknowledge here is that Judaism globally is uniquely linked to one country which Islam is not. It is all part of muddying the waters.
This article from before the latest round of conflict seems particularly pertinent in this light....
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