| No more Suffolk pubs 13:06 - Sep 29 with 3452 views | BelsteadCav |
Apparently Suffolk countryside pubs are a far right myth
That’s it then, No more going to a country pub on a Sunday, get a Roast, sit in peace and quiet.
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:09 - Sep 29 with 823 views | StNeotsBlue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 19:25 - Sep 29 by Dubtractor |
People were younger than they are now, and life was easier and more fun because of that. Almost everyone remembers their late teens and twenties as a great time, because they were, but it doesn't mean the world in general was better. The 70s in the UK, for example, looked fooking bleak.
Not saying that all change is for the better, obviously thats not the case, but equally I don't subscribe to the view that it was all better in the past either.
This isn't me sneering at older people btw, I'm 50 (ffs), and often get nostalgic about the time I had in the 90s and 00s. |
As someone of a similar age to you (52) I'd say things were better when we we're teenagers/early 20's than for my children who are now aged between 27 and 20.
The world seemed a more optimistic place, Cold War ending, Berlin Wall coning down, the end of apartheid and Nelson Mandela's insistence of a new start for all in South Africa, the peace process in Northern Ireland unbelievably bearing fruit plus I was getting my knob wet regularly in different watering holes. |  | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:10 - Sep 29 with 822 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 19:06 - Sep 29 by You_Bloo_Right |
Exactly. It's the harking back to a "golden age" that never really was that grates ("golden" in what way and for whom?). |
If they want lazy summer days outside the village green pub while the cricket is on, the Met Office data confirms 2026 was the golden year. You’re not going to get many drier and sunnier summers than the one we’ve just had. |  |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:15 - Sep 29 with 813 views | Illinoisblue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 17:55 - Sep 29 by tonybied |
Indeed, as has the rest of the world. Things change and move on,that's how it was and how it'll ever be! Sometimes it's for good, sometimes not. It's inevitable, and should be embraced, or at least accepted, rather than harping for a world/time that no longer exists. |
Well of course. But to deny those changes have happened/are happening was the point I was referring to. |  |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:23 - Sep 29 with 791 views | vapour_trail |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:09 - Sep 29 by StNeotsBlue |
As someone of a similar age to you (52) I'd say things were better when we we're teenagers/early 20's than for my children who are now aged between 27 and 20.
The world seemed a more optimistic place, Cold War ending, Berlin Wall coning down, the end of apartheid and Nelson Mandela's insistence of a new start for all in South Africa, the peace process in Northern Ireland unbelievably bearing fruit plus I was getting my knob wet regularly in different watering holes. |
At least the Berlin Wall is still down. |  |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:33 - Sep 29 with 773 views | StNeotsBlue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:23 - Sep 29 by vapour_trail |
At least the Berlin Wall is still down. |
Indeed, sadly and most importantly my knob isn't getting a run out as it did back in the day, which makes me sad. | | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:37 - Sep 29 with 769 views | vapour_trail |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:33 - Sep 29 by StNeotsBlue |
Indeed, sadly and most importantly my knob isn't getting a run out as it did back in the day, which makes me sad. |
People of twtd, do your civic duty. | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:41 - Sep 29 with 754 views | mellowblue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 19:52 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
generally, hopefully, people have fun when they're young. but objectively the 70s and 80s were bloody bleak. on average people were massively poorer than now, work was often brutal, politics was just as divided as now, food was narrower than now, and consumer goods were crap. just one example, less than half of homes had central heating in the mid 70s. not nice. plus social and public infrastructure was falling apart. of course lots of people found ways to have fun, but objectively it was grim compared to a lot of aspects of today. |
times were probably tougher, but people coped better because of it?. Stuff like the Troubles or the Cold War, Unions striking everywhere might give the impression that life was bleak, but it was just background drama. Also comparisons to a future decade is pointless, because what you did not know about, you cannot miss. I didn't miss having the internet or video gaming, we just made our own fun, football with jumpers for goalposts, riding for miles on our bikes at young ages as safety was either not considered or it was safer then. Sure people were poorer, but the standard of living was a lot cheaper and simpler. A Sunday roast was standard, who can afford big joints of beef now. Food range was simpler of course, but people still ate well and we did not have the obesity issues we had now. We did have the trans-fats margerine scandal from the 60's that helped send many to an early grave on the 70s with heart failure; that was a negative that impacted a few fathers of friends of mine. Social and public infrastructure was still intact in the 70s and people looked out for eachother more. Sure central heating had not been around for long, but paraffin heaters and coal fires and electric heaters work pretty well, you know. Just because standard of living improves decade by decad, it does not equate to improved happiness. In India, the poverty levels were immense, but the people were always happy as Larry . Bit of a conundrum. |  | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:45 - Sep 29 with 741 views | StNeotsBlue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:37 - Sep 29 by vapour_trail |
People of twtd, do your civic duty. |
Cheers for the thought but you can f@ck that, you lot of numpties make my crazy ex wife look like an easygoing and reasonable person and she could start a dust up in an empty room. | | | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:49 - Sep 29 with 727 views | vapour_trail |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:45 - Sep 29 by StNeotsBlue |
Cheers for the thought but you can f@ck that, you lot of numpties make my crazy ex wife look like an easygoing and reasonable person and she could start a dust up in an empty room. |
I had daveu ready to go as a fluffer.
Stand down, daveu, stand down. | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:04 - Sep 29 with 701 views | lowhouseblue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:03 - Sep 29 by vapour_trail |
It’s impossible to take an ‘objective’ comparison to today until you have the benefit of hindsight.
Nobody can judge the impact on the recent and current young of near universal central heating, recently improved social infrastructure, growing up with unregulated social media and the anxiety that AI may render you a redundant member of society.
You will need to come back in fifty years to offer a more balanced viewpoint. |
true, you can point to things today that are far better than 50 years ago, but until you know the long-term impact of the stuff that's new now and didn't exist then you can't know the full picture. i'm certain many things today are damaging and dangerous, but superficially in terms of material provision, variety, comfort, convenience, entertainment etc it's hard not to think it's better today. youth redundancy was also very much the vibe in the 80s. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:07 - Sep 29 with 699 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:37 - Sep 29 by vapour_trail |
People of twtd, do your civic duty. |
I’ll help out. Where do I send it?
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:24 - Sep 29 with 672 views | ITFC_Forever |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 13:21 - Sep 29 by BelsteadCav |
She probably thinks that’s a myth as well |
She’ll be disputing the Ipswich Underground system ever existed next. |  |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:27 - Sep 29 with 670 views | ITFC_Forever |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 20:09 - Sep 29 by StNeotsBlue |
As someone of a similar age to you (52) I'd say things were better when we we're teenagers/early 20's than for my children who are now aged between 27 and 20.
The world seemed a more optimistic place, Cold War ending, Berlin Wall coning down, the end of apartheid and Nelson Mandela's insistence of a new start for all in South Africa, the peace process in Northern Ireland unbelievably bearing fruit plus I was getting my knob wet regularly in different watering holes. |
Were you dipping it in people’s drinks? | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:30 - Sep 29 with 663 views | vapour_trail |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:27 - Sep 29 by ITFC_Forever |
Were you dipping it in people’s drinks? |
You’re confusing Neots with Callum. | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:41 - Sep 29 with 644 views | NedPlimpton |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 17:21 - Sep 29 by Illinoisblue |
The UK has undeniably changed, though, surely? I pop back every couple of years and Ipswich is vastly different to how it was in the 80s or 90s. |
And I'd imagine that the 80s and 90s were very different from the 40s and 50s!
Of course there's going to be a great deal of change in 30-40 years |  | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:46 - Sep 29 with 639 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 21:41 - Sep 29 by NedPlimpton |
And I'd imagine that the 80s and 90s were very different from the 40s and 50s!
Of course there's going to be a great deal of change in 30-40 years |
Yep. Everyone complaining that the past was better than now should be celebrating the now instead, as in 30 years time things will have changed more and today will become the glory years of the past. Twas ever thus. | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 23:16 - Sep 29 with 568 views | reusersfreekicks |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 17:21 - Sep 29 by Illinoisblue |
The UK has undeniably changed, though, surely? I pop back every couple of years and Ipswich is vastly different to how it was in the 80s or 90s. |
It is continually changing
People have been looking back through rose tinted glasses for ever |  | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 04:39 - Sep 30 with 506 views | Benters |
Get it right it’s room temperature ale
I see many Labradors on my morning mooch around the lanes of North Essex,some are black,cream or brown coloured,not one of their owners are goose stepping,sorry to disappoint the LBF/LAS.
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 07:56 - Sep 30 with 429 views | DJR |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 13:44 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
also it's the cliched imagine of britain particularly associated with john major so hardly far right.
"Fifty years on from now, Britain will still be the country of long shadows on county cricket grounds, warm beer, invincible green suburbs, dog lovers, and—as George Orwell said—old maids bicycling to Holy Communion through the morning mist." |
George Orwell focused on Englishness rather than Britishness, and John Major's quote is not really apt even for rural Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. [Post edited 30 Sep 7:56]
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 08:06 - Sep 30 with 416 views | DJR |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 19:52 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
generally, hopefully, people have fun when they're young. but objectively the 70s and 80s were bloody bleak. on average people were massively poorer than now, work was often brutal, politics was just as divided as now, food was narrower than now, and consumer goods were crap. just one example, less than half of homes had central heating in the mid 70s. not nice. plus social and public infrastructure was falling apart. of course lots of people found ways to have fun, but objectively it was grim compared to a lot of aspects of today. |
I was born in 1959, so the 70s ware my teenage years.
They were never bleak, and for large parts of my childhood we had no fridge, washing machine or central heating. But we were happy and I don't ever remember feeling cold indoors, although a hot water bottle came in useful at night. And I got as much enjoyment out of a one week stay in a caravan in Swanage as a two week holiday in Spain that followed when I got older.
And concerning public infrastructure, my dad worked for the nationalised electricity industry where there was no evidence of things falling apart until the onset of privatisation.
And what you don't have (a wider range of holidays, food and consumer good) you don't miss.
As regards the 80s, things were economically more bleak but the south east largely escaped all that.
Finally, growing up then there was an innocence to my childhood which seems to be lacking for children today. [Post edited 30 Sep 8:44]
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 08:44 - Sep 30 with 359 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 08:06 - Sep 30 by DJR |
I was born in 1959, so the 70s ware my teenage years.
They were never bleak, and for large parts of my childhood we had no fridge, washing machine or central heating. But we were happy and I don't ever remember feeling cold indoors, although a hot water bottle came in useful at night. And I got as much enjoyment out of a one week stay in a caravan in Swanage as a two week holiday in Spain that followed when I got older.
And concerning public infrastructure, my dad worked for the nationalised electricity industry where there was no evidence of things falling apart until the onset of privatisation.
And what you don't have (a wider range of holidays, food and consumer good) you don't miss.
As regards the 80s, things were economically more bleak but the south east largely escaped all that.
Finally, growing up then there was an innocence to my childhood which seems to be lacking for children today. [Post edited 30 Sep 8:44]
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Yes much of what you say chimes in with my own memories (1957 as it happens).
Coal fire heating one room, latterly a paraffin heater on the landing in winter in a vain attempt to warm bedrooms/bathroom. Ice on the inside of bedroom windows, blankets and even overcoats on beds to in theory help keep warm (in reality all that extra weight just meant you couldn't move without serious effort!).
I don't think for a moment I ever thought as a child about things like foreign holidays but changing from a caravan at Clacton (well, Point Clear actually) or Hemsby to a chalet seemed a big step up. Even in the latter years of secondary school I don't recall many contempories talking about jetting off to Cannes (then again what with football, girls, music and beer why would we talk about holidays?).
What I came to realise more and more with the passage of time is that whilst my own childhood and early youth was hardly a time of privation for me, providing that environment came at varying degrees of cost (financial and otherwise) for my parents. Similar will have been true for my parents and grandparents but starting from a much lower base. |  |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 08:51 - Sep 30 with 342 views | DJR |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 08:44 - Sep 30 by You_Bloo_Right |
Yes much of what you say chimes in with my own memories (1957 as it happens).
Coal fire heating one room, latterly a paraffin heater on the landing in winter in a vain attempt to warm bedrooms/bathroom. Ice on the inside of bedroom windows, blankets and even overcoats on beds to in theory help keep warm (in reality all that extra weight just meant you couldn't move without serious effort!).
I don't think for a moment I ever thought as a child about things like foreign holidays but changing from a caravan at Clacton (well, Point Clear actually) or Hemsby to a chalet seemed a big step up. Even in the latter years of secondary school I don't recall many contempories talking about jetting off to Cannes (then again what with football, girls, music and beer why would we talk about holidays?).
What I came to realise more and more with the passage of time is that whilst my own childhood and early youth was hardly a time of privation for me, providing that environment came at varying degrees of cost (financial and otherwise) for my parents. Similar will have been true for my parents and grandparents but starting from a much lower base. |
Interestingly, I was born in Canada where my parents had consumers goods, such as a car and fridge, which would not be commonplace in the UK until quite a long time after.
But they adjusted to this when they came back in 1960, and I don't ever recall them feeling put out by not having such goods until much later.
And when it comes to parents struggling but at the same time trying to make things as good as possible for their kids, that is something that goes on in many families now, and will maybe never cease to exist. [Post edited 30 Sep 9:27]
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 09:37 - Sep 30 with 301 views | Leaky |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 17:21 - Sep 29 by Illinoisblue |
The UK has undeniably changed, though, surely? I pop back every couple of years and Ipswich is vastly different to how it was in the 80s or 90s. |
And probably not for the better. |  | | |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 10:17 - Sep 30 with 264 views | Benters |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 09:37 - Sep 30 by Leaky |
And probably not for the better. |
You can take probably out of it buh. | |
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| No more Suffolk pubs on 10:57 - Sep 30 with 222 views | leitrimblue |
| No more Suffolk pubs on 09:37 - Sep 30 by Leaky |
And probably not for the better. |
Been going downhill since shortly after they built Stonehenge.
I blame those Beaker people, or possibly Dr Bunsen Honeydew himself |  | | |
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