| Loving Burnham's visions and promises 14:55 - Sep 29 with 14437 views | NthQldITFC |
To paraphrase: "I may have to pay a political price, but I'm going to do these things that our country needs."
Cue the usual, fossilised cynicism from both sides of the spectrum, but I have a good feeling about this bloke.
It won't be possible to achieve everything, but I'd rather someone took a political risk and gave it a bloody good go - there's no point pissing around with an eye on five years time, we need some fundamental change based on all of us, first of all, providing a solid, social base, and developing responsibly from there where possible. |  |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:57 - Oct 2 with 748 views | mellowblue |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:25 - Oct 2 by Churchman |
Ta for that. I’m always happy to learn. Tanks and battlefield stuff really isn’t my area of expertise tbh (aviation (all, then naval warfare and armour and infantry a distant third).
Recovery and repair was a big problem for the Germans. Most U.K. and US damaged or wrecked Sherman’s were recovered and repaired, even if they had to hose out what was left of the crew, or broken for spares. The system was very efficient, as it was for damaged aircraft.
For the Germans it wasn’t and many a tank was left in the field when it should have been recovered. Not being able to move in daylight without being attacked by P47s and Typhoons didn’t help. Tigers were expensive and time consuming to build too. I have seen the Bovington one but many years ago. That museum needs a revisit!
I did get the chance to drive some armoured vehicles years ago including a tank. Great fun but hellish noisy and the thought of being in one with somebody shooting at you? No thanks. Only trapped in a submarine scares me more. The casualty rate was horrific. The James Holland book Brothers in Arms is well worth a read. |
as you say aerial supremacy is pretty important in recovering crippled tanks. Another thing, it is a lot harder if your side is in general retreat and the tank is in enemy territory. Almost impossible. With the allies in general pushing forward, allied tanlks were therefore a lot easier to recover.
WW2 Submariners were very brave and tolerant of poor living conditions. I admire them greatly. U-boat crew members survival at end of war was only 25%. 75% loss rate. Not many who started in u-boats in 1939 or 40 lived to see the war out in subs. Even the R.N loss rate was pretty high at 38%. |  | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:02 - Oct 2 with 697 views | Churchman |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:57 - Oct 2 by mellowblue |
as you say aerial supremacy is pretty important in recovering crippled tanks. Another thing, it is a lot harder if your side is in general retreat and the tank is in enemy territory. Almost impossible. With the allies in general pushing forward, allied tanlks were therefore a lot easier to recover.
WW2 Submariners were very brave and tolerant of poor living conditions. I admire them greatly. U-boat crew members survival at end of war was only 25%. 75% loss rate. Not many who started in u-boats in 1939 or 40 lived to see the war out in subs. Even the R.N loss rate was pretty high at 38%. |
My parents’ neighbour Edward Stanley commanded a submarine in the Mediterranean in WW2. The mildest kindest gentle man you could ever meet. Yet in his book he was the hunter and the hunted. Extraordinary people. I’ve no idea how they did it. |  | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:44 - Oct 2 with 659 views | mellowblue |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:02 - Oct 2 by Churchman |
My parents’ neighbour Edward Stanley commanded a submarine in the Mediterranean in WW2. The mildest kindest gentle man you could ever meet. Yet in his book he was the hunter and the hunted. Extraordinary people. I’ve no idea how they did it. |
you are right, I don't see the attraction of sitting in a tin can many fathoms underwater waiting to be depth-charged. We had 2 submariners at work, one died of a heart attack on Christmas Day, another committed suicide. Both about 45, slightly withdrawn batchelors. Takes a certain kind to join the silent service, I suppose. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:47 - Oct 2 with 651 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:02 - Oct 2 by Churchman |
My parents’ neighbour Edward Stanley commanded a submarine in the Mediterranean in WW2. The mildest kindest gentle man you could ever meet. Yet in his book he was the hunter and the hunted. Extraordinary people. I’ve no idea how they did it. |
My grandad on my mum’s side was a contender for the mildest, kindest gentle man you could ever meet. He was a bomb aimer on the Lancasters. He never told us. He said he was a navigator (but we found out after he died from official records and photos of him wearing the bomb aimer sigil that he wasn’t).
My gran said he gave his uniform to local kids to dress the Guy on the first bonfire night he got back, including his medals (that my gran saved unbeknown to him and I have now). He never talked about active duty, but had plenty of stories about training in Canada and the comradery in training. Looking back now, it was strange that was all he talked about. Later we found out he’d been posted with an Aussie crew and flew a lot of missions. He obviously couldn’t face up to what he’d had to do, but hid it well. |  |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 21:23 - Oct 2 with 613 views | Churchman |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:47 - Oct 2 by Swansea_Blue |
My grandad on my mum’s side was a contender for the mildest, kindest gentle man you could ever meet. He was a bomb aimer on the Lancasters. He never told us. He said he was a navigator (but we found out after he died from official records and photos of him wearing the bomb aimer sigil that he wasn’t).
My gran said he gave his uniform to local kids to dress the Guy on the first bonfire night he got back, including his medals (that my gran saved unbeknown to him and I have now). He never talked about active duty, but had plenty of stories about training in Canada and the comradery in training. Looking back now, it was strange that was all he talked about. Later we found out he’d been posted with an Aussie crew and flew a lot of missions. He obviously couldn’t face up to what he’d had to do, but hid it well. |
My father in laws medals were found a couple of months ago. In a drawer, in the corner, in the box they were delivered in. The box had been opened but the contents never taken out. He never talked about his RN service, but having found his records we have a decent idea. We also have the ensign from his ML - shot to bits and smelling of cordite.
Bomb Aimers, one of a crew of seven (normally) essentially took control of the aircraft over the target and pressed the bomb release. If the Bomb Aimer wasn’t happy, the aircraft would often go round again. When dropped, the aircraft would continue straight and level until the photo flash went off. The Bomb Aimer had other duties - watching out for night fighters, helping the Navigator, sometimes emergency pilot if qualified..
Mixed nationality crews were very common. When a group of blokes ‘crewed up’ they’d be in a room and the pilot start looking around, choose maybe a Nav and then they’d ask anyone they liked the look of or knew to complete the crew.
My dad’s cousin was killed in a Hampden bomber AD753 in 1941. In a crew of four, the pilot Hugh Macrossan was an Aussie. [Post edited 3 Oct 0:21]
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 21:59 - Oct 2 with 573 views | jasondozzell |
Your pension is being cut and a few sops about a national care service thrown in that will mean we might get a commission in 2032.
They've rebadged it you fool! 😅 [Post edited 2 Oct 22:00]
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 23:55 - Oct 2 with 511 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 21:59 - Oct 2 by jasondozzell |
Your pension is being cut and a few sops about a national care service thrown in that will mean we might get a commission in 2032.
They've rebadged it you fool! 😅 [Post edited 2 Oct 22:00]
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Oh come on. It may not be what you wanted. But it is a step closer than you could realistically have hoped for 5 years ago. | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 08:44 - Oct 3 with 375 views | Ryorry |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:47 - Oct 2 by Swansea_Blue |
My grandad on my mum’s side was a contender for the mildest, kindest gentle man you could ever meet. He was a bomb aimer on the Lancasters. He never told us. He said he was a navigator (but we found out after he died from official records and photos of him wearing the bomb aimer sigil that he wasn’t).
My gran said he gave his uniform to local kids to dress the Guy on the first bonfire night he got back, including his medals (that my gran saved unbeknown to him and I have now). He never talked about active duty, but had plenty of stories about training in Canada and the comradery in training. Looking back now, it was strange that was all he talked about. Later we found out he’d been posted with an Aussie crew and flew a lot of missions. He obviously couldn’t face up to what he’d had to do, but hid it well. |
Absolute heroes all of them, it’s thanks to people like him and Churchie’s f-i-l that we’re talking with freedom in English now.
R.I.P. |  |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 08:55 - Oct 3 with 366 views | NthQldITFC |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 13:34 - Oct 2 by EdwardStone |
I think we need to adjust the tax system so that it is incredibly simple to do the right thing and very risky to do the wrong....and doing the wrong thing will lead to punishment
I believe the Greek crisis that nearly collapsed the EU come about because the vast number of Greeks saw tax as an avoidable inconvenience and the authorities saw enforcement as a option not a certainty
It is very clear that the more robust speed enforcement on the motorways has radically altered the nation's driving habits... mine included as I drive along at a very steady 70 mph with my halo shining |
I'd extend that description and apply it to tonnes of people I know, and who post on here, who see tax as an "avoidable insult which profoundly offends them on a deeply personal level", rather that the natural, self-sustaining, inherited responsibility of the tribe to look after itself.
It's one of things that disappoints me the most about what the human race has become since we started parking ourselves on 'our' land and putting down roots 10,000 years ago. Similarly, we view looking after the environment we absolutely depend upon as an unfair and offensive burden.
Both of these human failings are blindingly obviously self-destructive, but the relentlessly acquisitive ego, exemplified by the ideals of Thatcherism etc., somehow overrides this awareness in many, at their functional level if not at a very shallow level of consciousness. It's why many of the outright capitalists I know are so bloody miserable. | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 08:58 - Oct 3 with 359 views | NthQldITFC |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 21:59 - Oct 2 by jasondozzell |
Your pension is being cut and a few sops about a national care service thrown in that will mean we might get a commission in 2032.
They've rebadged it you fool! 😅 [Post edited 2 Oct 22:00]
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It's a fair old while after that until I'll be drawing a pension love. | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:00 - Oct 3 with 358 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 23:55 - Oct 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Oh come on. It may not be what you wanted. But it is a step closer than you could realistically have hoped for 5 years ago. |
A step closer to what?
Don't fall for it. It's just the same Labour vehicle but wearing a different costume to placate the court.
Why do you think the pundits are purring whereas when this sort of stuff (with much more substance and intent and imagination) was proposed in 2015-19 they went berserk and reacted with fury and disgust?
Do you think maybe it's because they know who means it and who doesn't? Who will rock the boat and who won't? [Post edited 3 Oct 9:26]
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:02 - Oct 3 with 356 views | DanTheMan |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 21:59 - Oct 2 by jasondozzell |
Your pension is being cut and a few sops about a national care service thrown in that will mean we might get a commission in 2032.
They've rebadged it you fool! 😅 [Post edited 2 Oct 22:00]
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Pensions are not being cut, they aren't rising as quickly (potentially). Nobody is taking money from pensioners.
If you left the triple lock in place over a long period, it would eventually becomes bigger than the world GDP. Even in the medium term it would go from 5% GDP to 9% by 2070.
It was the definition of unsustainable.
I do not understand why it has such an ardent defence. |  |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:06 - Oct 3 with 341 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 08:58 - Oct 3 by NthQldITFC |
It's a fair old while after that until I'll be drawing a pension love. |
Care service commission in 2032...
You might get some half arsed serco lite thing in say 2045 which involves a robot taking your blood pressure every 8 weeks but that's it.
Why didn't he talk about raising pay for care work which is important work?
He's the safe pair of hands for the status quo. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:11 - Oct 3 with 327 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:02 - Oct 3 by DanTheMan |
Pensions are not being cut, they aren't rising as quickly (potentially). Nobody is taking money from pensioners.
If you left the triple lock in place over a long period, it would eventually becomes bigger than the world GDP. Even in the medium term it would go from 5% GDP to 9% by 2070.
It was the definition of unsustainable.
I do not understand why it has such an ardent defence. |
I'm not averse to the triple lock going.
But I note that in all of the 'let's build a better Britain' gaze into the distance stuff, it's actually only the cuts which are really going to happen with people of this ilk.
Whereas the actual care etc is just talked about as an idea and nothing more.
If you're a poor pensioner it'll feel like a cut by the way.
Cuts must be implemented so Burnham is just a vehicle to make it more palatable.
We could live in a different world. But a lot of people have an interest in stopping it. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:16 - Oct 3 with 314 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:29 - Sep 29 by giant_stow |
I didn't see the speech or read about it yet, but am struck by what this sh1thead says:
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A good question to ask would be why are pundits like her saying this? And why were they working themselves into apoplexy over the 2015-19 Labour offering?
The pundits herd - 'Starmer is forensic ' 2020. 'Burnham is radical' 2026. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:20 - Oct 3 with 285 views | Ryorry |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:11 - Oct 3 by jasondozzell |
I'm not averse to the triple lock going.
But I note that in all of the 'let's build a better Britain' gaze into the distance stuff, it's actually only the cuts which are really going to happen with people of this ilk.
Whereas the actual care etc is just talked about as an idea and nothing more.
If you're a poor pensioner it'll feel like a cut by the way.
Cuts must be implemented so Burnham is just a vehicle to make it more palatable.
We could live in a different world. But a lot of people have an interest in stopping it. |
I'm a "poor pensioner" & it feels 100% sensible to me.
When did you become so cynical - or was your previous huge positivity football only?! | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:23 - Oct 3 with 269 views | Churchman |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 08:44 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
Absolute heroes all of them, it’s thanks to people like him and Churchie’s f-i-l that we’re talking with freedom in English now.
R.I.P. |
How right you are, Ryorry.
I had lunch on Thursday with a very good friend of mine. Her father fought in North Africa and Italy in WW2 and took part in the battle for Monte Cassino. A more desperate affair you couldn’t imagine. Including Anzio, this campaign cost up to 100k allied and 80k German casualties. The conditions were as bad as it gets.
My friend and her sister have managed to find all his war records, medals etc and said that pictures taken before the Italy he looks bronzed and healthy. After, pictures show him as aged beyond his years. He died relatively young - a ‘casualty’ that of course is never recorded. My chum has never been to Italy and wants to go and to see where the battle was fought. A bit of a pilgrimage if you like. I’ve strongly encouraged her to do it.
The war in Italy is, like Burma, rarely discussed and not widely understood. It should be - it was a desperate time, not least for the Italian people who in parts starved. Plenty were carted off by the Germans, all during a war that many wanted no part of. In some areas, the Italians don’t forget.
Freedom came at a heavy price. It still does. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:24 - Oct 3 with 262 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:20 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
I'm a "poor pensioner" & it feels 100% sensible to me.
When did you become so cynical - or was your previous huge positivity football only?! |
2015 -2026 in British politics is enough to radicalise anyone. What played out was disgraceful. Hard not to be cynical.
I'm a positive person which makes it all the more depressing to see people having their wallets inspected again by all this nonsense.
I promise to be positive about the football when it finally returns. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:37 - Oct 3 with 215 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:00 - Oct 3 by jasondozzell |
A step closer to what?
Don't fall for it. It's just the same Labour vehicle but wearing a different costume to placate the court.
Why do you think the pundits are purring whereas when this sort of stuff (with much more substance and intent and imagination) was proposed in 2015-19 they went berserk and reacted with fury and disgust?
Do you think maybe it's because they know who means it and who doesn't? Who will rock the boat and who won't? [Post edited 3 Oct 9:26]
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Closer to what you would want.
You want the moon on a stick, but thats not happening. | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:45 - Oct 3 with 197 views | jasondozzell |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:37 - Oct 3 by redrickstuhaart |
Closer to what you would want.
You want the moon on a stick, but thats not happening. |
I don't think a functioning state which looks after people is wanting the moon on a stick. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 10:34 - Oct 3 with 122 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:02 - Oct 3 by DanTheMan |
Pensions are not being cut, they aren't rising as quickly (potentially). Nobody is taking money from pensioners.
If you left the triple lock in place over a long period, it would eventually becomes bigger than the world GDP. Even in the medium term it would go from 5% GDP to 9% by 2070.
It was the definition of unsustainable.
I do not understand why it has such an ardent defence. |
Lots of heads in sand unfortunately, and very many of them that complain about the status quo.
“the UK should be a social democracy like Scandinavia”
“We don’t want Scandinavian pension systems in order to fund public services as good as theirs’. | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 10:36 - Oct 3 with 118 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:24 - Oct 3 by jasondozzell |
2015 -2026 in British politics is enough to radicalise anyone. What played out was disgraceful. Hard not to be cynical.
I'm a positive person which makes it all the more depressing to see people having their wallets inspected again by all this nonsense.
I promise to be positive about the football when it finally returns. |
Imma give you an uppie just for the last sentence 👍 | | | |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 10:43 - Oct 3 with 106 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:45 - Oct 3 by jasondozzell |
I don't think a functioning state which looks after people is wanting the moon on a stick. |
You rarely are able to actually say what you want, but we can clearly conclude it aint happening anytime soon. | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 10:52 - Oct 3 with 82 views | NthQldITFC |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 09:24 - Oct 3 by jasondozzell |
2015 -2026 in British politics is enough to radicalise anyone. What played out was disgraceful. Hard not to be cynical.
I'm a positive person which makes it all the more depressing to see people having their wallets inspected again by all this nonsense.
I promise to be positive about the football when it finally returns. |
I'm pretty sure I'd be more or less aligned with you on almost everything politically, but I think I'm too lazy or tired or something to be as hardcore as you, unless someone stuck a rocket up my arse! | |
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| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 11:08 - Oct 3 with 49 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 10:52 - Oct 3 by NthQldITFC |
I'm pretty sure I'd be more or less aligned with you on almost everything politically, but I think I'm too lazy or tired or something to be as hardcore as you, unless someone stuck a rocket up my arse! |
He is criticising something that is a move in the direction he would like to see, but because of that he has to criticise it by saying it wont happen, rather than criticising the substance.
Which demonstrates, imo, that it is all about attacking and criticising whatever is done, rather than genuinely being ideological. I genuinely think there is nothing that Labour could do (short of bringing back Corbyn) that would receive even a slightest nod of approval from our Jase! | |
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