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Loving Burnham's visions and promises 14:55 - Sep 29 with 2992 viewsNthQldITFC

To paraphrase: "I may have to pay a political price, but I'm going to do these things that our country needs."

Cue the usual, fossilised cynicism from both sides of the spectrum, but I have a good feeling about this bloke.

It won't be possible to achieve everything, but I'd rather someone took a political risk and gave it a bloody good go - there's no point pissing around with an eye on five years time, we need some fundamental change based on all of us, first of all, providing a solid, social base, and developing responsibly from there where possible.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:00 - Sep 29 with 1772 viewsJ2BLUE

Very good speech with lots of positives if he can back them up.

Slightly disappointed by the triple lock. Don't think it goes far enough. Should just be linked to inflation.

Hopefully he will end with a jump to the personal allowance. I've whinged about CGT in the past but if he funds a boost to the personal allowance with higher CGT I would be happy with that. Need to get the economy going.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:16 - Sep 29 with 1682 viewsTractorWood

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:00 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

Very good speech with lots of positives if he can back them up.

Slightly disappointed by the triple lock. Don't think it goes far enough. Should just be linked to inflation.

Hopefully he will end with a jump to the personal allowance. I've whinged about CGT in the past but if he funds a boost to the personal allowance with higher CGT I would be happy with that. Need to get the economy going.


Agree with you and OP. CGT is too low and for example is encouraging a generation of business owners to flog, mostly to PE as the tax advantage outweighs staying and earning standard profits.

I'm pretty indifferent in terms of political alignment. Am probably more conservative economically but given where we are I think he's been incredibly sensible and made a load of logical decisions so far. Good on him.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:18 - Sep 29 with 1676 viewsDanTheMan

Mostly fine, but I'm not so keen on putting all this stuff off until after the next election with a pinky promise you'll do it.

We've definitely been there before with electoral reform...

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:25 - Sep 29 with 1630 viewsPerublue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:18 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan

Mostly fine, but I'm not so keen on putting all this stuff off until after the next election with a pinky promise you'll do it.

We've definitely been there before with electoral reform...


I think that election will be sooner than most think …. Next year is my expectation….. first part of it too.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:27 - Sep 29 with 1604 viewsDJR

Some of us voted for Burnham as leader in 2015.

He was far and away the most effective candidate, and with a real stage presence and charm at the husting I attended, something which I always thinks helps when it comes to connecting with the electorate.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:28 - Sep 29 with 1578 viewsgiant_stow

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:18 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan

Mostly fine, but I'm not so keen on putting all this stuff off until after the next election with a pinky promise you'll do it.

We've definitely been there before with electoral reform...


Isn’t that just about not breaking manifesto pledges though?

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:29 - Sep 29 with 1575 viewsgiant_stow

I didn't see the speech or read about it yet, but am struck by what this sh1thead says:


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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:31 - Sep 29 with 1533 viewsJ2BLUE

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:28 - Sep 29 by giant_stow

Isn’t that just about not breaking manifesto pledges though?


It is, and he may well know that he's planning an election for early next year which would make it a much shorter window.

I'm sure Reform will start trying to whip up pensioners into a frenzy claiming they are being screwed.

There seems to be an increasing recognition amongst pensioners that things are broken and do need to change so I have faith in them to accept a bit of a hit for the greater good.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:32 - Sep 29 with 1527 viewsRadlett_blue

Another modern politician who kicks the can down the road on the difficult decisions. While Burnham is a far better presenter, so far zero evidence that he's any better at taking real decisions than was Starmer. The pensions thing is a classic cop-out, leaving this as someone else's problem.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:35 - Sep 29 with 1476 viewsWeWereZombies

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:32 - Sep 29 by Radlett_blue

Another modern politician who kicks the can down the road on the difficult decisions. While Burnham is a far better presenter, so far zero evidence that he's any better at taking real decisions than was Starmer. The pensions thing is a classic cop-out, leaving this as someone else's problem.


Did you even listen to the speech ?

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:35 - Sep 29 with 1463 viewsDJR

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:31 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

It is, and he may well know that he's planning an election for early next year which would make it a much shorter window.

I'm sure Reform will start trying to whip up pensioners into a frenzy claiming they are being screwed.

There seems to be an increasing recognition amongst pensioners that things are broken and do need to change so I have faith in them to accept a bit of a hit for the greater good.


Reform (or the Tories) won't be getting this pensioners vote.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:36 - Sep 29 with 1452 viewsBelsteadCav

Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss


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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:38 - Sep 29 with 1426 viewsNthQldITFC

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:32 - Sep 29 by Radlett_blue

Another modern politician who kicks the can down the road on the difficult decisions. While Burnham is a far better presenter, so far zero evidence that he's any better at taking real decisions than was Starmer. The pensions thing is a classic cop-out, leaving this as someone else's problem.


He's been in office for three months.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:41 - Sep 29 with 1393 viewsITFC_Essex

I am a centre-right conservative, frankly with no political home since the Tories moved to the far right of Reform. It may surprise some of our users that I wish Burnham all of the best, as I would do any incoming PM and Government. Just because I didn't vote for them, I want the country to do well, and I hope that he gets it right regardless of the old left/right blinkerisms we now see dominating the political debate in this country.

We desperately need a Prime Minister to get it right this time, regardless of the rosette, we can't continue to decline - we will collapse as a nation if we do.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:44 - Sep 29 with 1329 viewsDJR

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:29 - Sep 29 by giant_stow

I didn't see the speech or read about it yet, but am struck by what this sh1thead says:



From someone like her, that is praise indeed.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:48 - Sep 29 with 1271 viewsBillywitch

I like a little of what he's said.
I dislike very much what a number of his party have said the last few days.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:49 - Sep 29 with 1259 viewsgiant_stow

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:44 - Sep 29 by DJR

From someone like her, that is praise indeed.

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isn;t it just - she might even get in the sh1t for it from her side.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:51 - Sep 29 with 1237 viewsDanTheMan

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:28 - Sep 29 by giant_stow

Isn’t that just about not breaking manifesto pledges though?


Parties only stick to manifesto pledges when it is convenient, especially when it's the bigger stuff like these promises.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:54 - Sep 29 with 1189 viewsgiant_stow

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:51 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan

Parties only stick to manifesto pledges when it is convenient, especially when it's the bigger stuff like these promises.


I guess you're right in one sense and again I didn't see it, but if his message is one of change, doesn't respecting previous promises made to the electorate fit in with that message?

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:55 - Sep 29 with 1184 viewsFrimleyBlue

Number 1 on his agenda should have been the removal of self checkouts from all stores.

Thousands of jobs lost in supermarkets for those with disabilities who relied on checkout work & thousands of jobs lost for young people who started off working in places like KFC, sainsburys etc etc now replaced by screens.

250,000 jobs have been lost due to self checkouts. 751,000 16-24 unemployed currently.

by 2030 it's projected that 75% of hotel jobs will be replaced by automated systems too

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:00 - Sep 29 with 1112 viewsJ2BLUE

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:55 - Sep 29 by FrimleyBlue

Number 1 on his agenda should have been the removal of self checkouts from all stores.

Thousands of jobs lost in supermarkets for those with disabilities who relied on checkout work & thousands of jobs lost for young people who started off working in places like KFC, sainsburys etc etc now replaced by screens.

250,000 jobs have been lost due to self checkouts. 751,000 16-24 unemployed currently.

by 2030 it's projected that 75% of hotel jobs will be replaced by automated systems too


AI and robotics are coming for lots of jobs. Artificially holding things back would be pointless.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:04 - Sep 29 with 1072 viewsMattinLondon

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:55 - Sep 29 by FrimleyBlue

Number 1 on his agenda should have been the removal of self checkouts from all stores.

Thousands of jobs lost in supermarkets for those with disabilities who relied on checkout work & thousands of jobs lost for young people who started off working in places like KFC, sainsburys etc etc now replaced by screens.

250,000 jobs have been lost due to self checkouts. 751,000 16-24 unemployed currently.

by 2030 it's projected that 75% of hotel jobs will be replaced by automated systems too


Who do you think invents this machines? Do you think they just appear out of thin air?

Who manufactures them, who keeps them serviced, transports them, is on hand to ID people at those self-service tills?

Jobs may well disappear in one sector but new jobs will appear in another sector.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:05 - Sep 29 with 1069 viewsFrimleyBlue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:00 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

AI and robotics are coming for lots of jobs. Artificially holding things back would be pointless.


Not pointless imo required

AI etc is to be embraced but controlled

For me i've always felt the creation of the internet is what killed the high street, now it's AI killing jobs.

I do feel for future generations, there is gonna be fk all jobs for people to do

I was part of a group workshop a few weeks ago, this fella was proudly announcing he's getting rid of 3 of his staff and instead going with online AI.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:09 - Sep 29 with 1038 viewsFrimleyBlue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:04 - Sep 29 by MattinLondon

Who do you think invents this machines? Do you think they just appear out of thin air?

Who manufactures them, who keeps them serviced, transports them, is on hand to ID people at those self-service tills?

Jobs may well disappear in one sector but new jobs will appear in another sector.


The number of people involved in the process of self checkouts is vastly outnumbered by those who's lost their jobs to them or can't have jobs because of them.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:10 - Sep 29 with 1034 viewsCafe_Newman

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:55 - Sep 29 by FrimleyBlue

Number 1 on his agenda should have been the removal of self checkouts from all stores.

Thousands of jobs lost in supermarkets for those with disabilities who relied on checkout work & thousands of jobs lost for young people who started off working in places like KFC, sainsburys etc etc now replaced by screens.

250,000 jobs have been lost due to self checkouts. 751,000 16-24 unemployed currently.

by 2030 it's projected that 75% of hotel jobs will be replaced by automated systems too


I loathe self checkouts for the reasons you give, but you can do some things to prevent these job losses.

Insist on using the manned-checkouts, even if it means queuing. Alternatively, be old and doddery when you do use the self-checkout. Literally take 20-30 to check out and slow up the checkout process - if enough people do this, people will stop shopping at these places.

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