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France is lost 16:54 - Oct 19 with 16051 viewsGlasgowBlue

Andrew Neil on the French riots.


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France is lost on 08:27 - Oct 20 with 1044 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

France is lost on 08:18 - Oct 20 by StokieBlue

Selective answering only makes it look more like you don't have a clue about what I've asked.

How have they done that? Tells us some exact policies enacted by Burnham that have ruined the country for future generations.

Don't be shy, you're happy to spout stuff on here, lets hear it.

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France is lost on 08:31 - Oct 20 with 1013 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

France is lost on 08:25 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

Thankfully, it was a little calmer across the Channel last night. According to Le Figaro, the localised curfews ordered by Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu successfully restored order in Lyon and Paris.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politi

Regarding the heavy presence of Palestinian flags, this piece from HonestReporting offers a really interesting take on how the symbol has been completely co-opted.

https://honestreporting.com/on

But don't worry about any of this spreading our way. Today, "Tiny Andy" is bravely tackling parking fines, having successfully sorted out noisy trains yesterday. He still hasn't uttered a single word of comment on the French riots.


Should Andy Burnham be making comments on the French riots?

"Tiny Andy"? Where are you quoting that from? Andy Burnham is 5 foot 10. Hardly think that's "tiny".

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France is lost on 08:34 - Oct 20 with 1009 viewsNthQldITFC

France is lost on 07:01 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile

Again I must be missing something, is ONE Palestinian flag evidence of an Islamist insurrection?


I think I might have caught a glimpse of a very suspicious looking scarf in there too, which is all the evidence required it seems.

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France is lost on 08:36 - Oct 20 with 997 viewsMattinLondon

France is lost on 08:31 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile

Should Andy Burnham be making comments on the French riots?

"Tiny Andy"? Where are you quoting that from? Andy Burnham is 5 foot 10. Hardly think that's "tiny".


Churchill was only 5ft6 and Nelson was shorter than Napoleon.
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France is lost on 08:37 - Oct 20 with 981 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 08:31 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile

Should Andy Burnham be making comments on the French riots?

"Tiny Andy"? Where are you quoting that from? Andy Burnham is 5 foot 10. Hardly think that's "tiny".


It's a reference to his politics, rather than height.

Yes, I would expect something. Maybe it will come ahead of PMQs tomorrow.

The French are a very close ally and I would hope some statement would be made. Not least because of the risk of spread here. We are seeing more of this in Portugal and Italy.
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France is lost on 08:41 - Oct 20 with 965 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

France is lost on 08:37 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

It's a reference to his politics, rather than height.

Yes, I would expect something. Maybe it will come ahead of PMQs tomorrow.

The French are a very close ally and I would hope some statement would be made. Not least because of the risk of spread here. We are seeing more of this in Portugal and Italy.


Why is it in quotes though, where are you quoting it from?

TBH I'd rather he was tackling parking fines and noisy trains than commenting on the French riots. Do you think a few words from "Tindy Andy" are going to stop it spreading here? Not such "tiny politics" if he can manage that with a few well-chosen words, I'd suggest!

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France is lost on 08:42 - Oct 20 with 959 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

France is lost on 08:25 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

Thankfully, it was a little calmer across the Channel last night. According to Le Figaro, the localised curfews ordered by Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu successfully restored order in Lyon and Paris.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politi

Regarding the heavy presence of Palestinian flags, this piece from HonestReporting offers a really interesting take on how the symbol has been completely co-opted.

https://honestreporting.com/on

But don't worry about any of this spreading our way. Today, "Tiny Andy" is bravely tackling parking fines, having successfully sorted out noisy trains yesterday. He still hasn't uttered a single word of comment on the French riots.


Vraiment!

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France is lost on 09:03 - Oct 20 with 894 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 08:41 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile

Why is it in quotes though, where are you quoting it from?

TBH I'd rather he was tackling parking fines and noisy trains than commenting on the French riots. Do you think a few words from "Tindy Andy" are going to stop it spreading here? Not such "tiny politics" if he can manage that with a few well-chosen words, I'd suggest!


It's a well used moniker on the right. Coined by Stephen Barrett I think.

Fair point, but there’s a difference between managing a city council and running a G7 nation. Obviously, a speech from Number 10 isn't going to magically stop a riot in Paris. But when our closest neighbor and second-largest economic partner is facing a massive fiscal and security collapse, the silence from our Prime Minister is telling.

He is actively trying to tie our long-term economic and regulatory destiny back to the EU. If he wants us closer to Europe, he needs to have the backbone to address the reality of what is actually happening over there, rather than hiding behind micro-policies like parking fines to look busy.
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France is lost on 09:24 - Oct 20 with 853 viewsDJR

France is lost on 20:18 - Oct 19 by GlasgowBlue



Leaving aside the fact that most of the people in the footage are white, effectively describing all people of Arab descent who took part in the protests as Islamist is in my view Islamophobic.

Such views tap into the Great Replacement Theory, and whilst to be expected of a former Israeli spokesman, it it disappointing to see them amplified by Simon Schama.

And such views mirror those of Trump who recently posted this on Truth Social.

"What's happening in France is nothing less than out-of-control mass migration. This isn't about schools, this is about Islam wanting to take over a once great Country!"
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France is lost on 09:31 - Oct 20 with 822 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

France is lost on 09:24 - Oct 20 by DJR

Leaving aside the fact that most of the people in the footage are white, effectively describing all people of Arab descent who took part in the protests as Islamist is in my view Islamophobic.

Such views tap into the Great Replacement Theory, and whilst to be expected of a former Israeli spokesman, it it disappointing to see them amplified by Simon Schama.

And such views mirror those of Trump who recently posted this on Truth Social.

"What's happening in France is nothing less than out-of-control mass migration. This isn't about schools, this is about Islam wanting to take over a once great Country!"


100 per cent this, he's so far down his twitter wormhole that I suspect he is completely lost!

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France is lost on 09:32 - Oct 20 with 822 viewsDJR

France is lost on 18:34 - Oct 19 by BelsteadCav

He’s fantastic…. BBC were mad to let him go

Did you hear him talk about the EU the other week?



He left the BBC to lead GB News.
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France is lost on 09:34 - Oct 20 with 809 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 09:24 - Oct 20 by DJR

Leaving aside the fact that most of the people in the footage are white, effectively describing all people of Arab descent who took part in the protests as Islamist is in my view Islamophobic.

Such views tap into the Great Replacement Theory, and whilst to be expected of a former Israeli spokesman, it it disappointing to see them amplified by Simon Schama.

And such views mirror those of Trump who recently posted this on Truth Social.

"What's happening in France is nothing less than out-of-control mass migration. This isn't about schools, this is about Islam wanting to take over a once great Country!"


Loads of separate issues going on at once.

It’s a separate conversation regarding integration of migrants in France. Unemployment rates are exceptionally high and suburban life in major cities is not great. I don’t like the replacement rhetoric, but I do think that France’s stridently secularist republic struggles to tackle these issues
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France is lost on 09:41 - Oct 20 with 793 viewsDJR

As regards claims of antisemitism, I posted this on another thread yesterday.

This is the headline in the Jerusalem Post.

"Paris synagogue, several Jewish-affiliated sites vandalized on weekend, antisemitic motive unlikely"

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora

"In Marseille, several businesses sustained damage during Saturday's demonstrations, including some owned by Jewish individuals.

However, there was no evidence indicating that the businesses had been singled out because of their owners' Jewish identities or that the damage was motivated by antisemitism."
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France is lost on 09:43 - Oct 20 with 787 viewsDJR

France is lost on 09:34 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

Loads of separate issues going on at once.

It’s a separate conversation regarding integration of migrants in France. Unemployment rates are exceptionally high and suburban life in major cities is not great. I don’t like the replacement rhetoric, but I do think that France’s stridently secularist republic struggles to tackle these issues


That is a subtlety lost in the post I was responding to.
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France is lost on 09:46 - Oct 20 with 762 viewsBenters

France is lost on 08:25 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

Thankfully, it was a little calmer across the Channel last night. According to Le Figaro, the localised curfews ordered by Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu successfully restored order in Lyon and Paris.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politi

Regarding the heavy presence of Palestinian flags, this piece from HonestReporting offers a really interesting take on how the symbol has been completely co-opted.

https://honestreporting.com/on

But don't worry about any of this spreading our way. Today, "Tiny Andy" is bravely tackling parking fines, having successfully sorted out noisy trains yesterday. He still hasn't uttered a single word of comment on the French riots.


Not forgetting loud phones on buses and trains..

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France is lost on 09:56 - Oct 20 with 743 viewsDJR

France is lost on 08:25 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

Thankfully, it was a little calmer across the Channel last night. According to Le Figaro, the localised curfews ordered by Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu successfully restored order in Lyon and Paris.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politi

Regarding the heavy presence of Palestinian flags, this piece from HonestReporting offers a really interesting take on how the symbol has been completely co-opted.

https://honestreporting.com/on

But don't worry about any of this spreading our way. Today, "Tiny Andy" is bravely tackling parking fines, having successfully sorted out noisy trains yesterday. He still hasn't uttered a single word of comment on the French riots.


Keep up! It's Bumbling Burnham: copyright Andrew Neil.

https://www.dailymail.com/news
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France is lost on 09:58 - Oct 20 with 724 viewsBenters

France is lost on 08:27 - Oct 20 by The_Flashing_Smile

I like that Benters has figured out a comical nickname for Andy Burnham at last.
Eyebrows. Because he has eyebrows.



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France is lost on 10:00 - Oct 20 with 713 viewsBenters

France is lost on 09:31 - Oct 20 by BanksterDebtSlave

100 per cent this, he's so far down his twitter wormhole that I suspect he is completely lost!


Can he see what you are saying?

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France is lost on 10:00 - Oct 20 with 714 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 09:56 - Oct 20 by DJR

Keep up! It's Bumbling Burnham: copyright Andrew Neil.

https://www.dailymail.com/news
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I didn’t know he wrote for the Mail!
I’ll have to visit their site more often now. That should please you?!
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France is lost on 10:05 - Oct 20 with 707 viewsDJR

France is lost on 10:00 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

I didn’t know he wrote for the Mail!
I’ll have to visit their site more often now. That should please you?!


I think this was my favourite article of his for the Mail.

https://www.dailymail.com/deba

"Truss is taking a great gamble. But sticking with the failed policies of the past would be an even bigger one"
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France is lost on 10:34 - Oct 20 with 646 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 10:05 - Oct 20 by DJR

I think this was my favourite article of his for the Mail.

https://www.dailymail.com/deba

"Truss is taking a great gamble. But sticking with the failed policies of the past would be an even bigger one"


Oh dear.

That’s the problem with journalism. It’s in print forever.

Some economists argue that it wasn’t as big a mistake as is made out by her political opponents. But a combination of factors together. But I won’t make that argument here!
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France is lost on 10:41 - Oct 20 with 639 viewsgiant_stow

France is lost on 21:17 - Oct 19 by balcombeblue

Regarding 2. I forget what that stability group is called, but I just don't think they would have the funds and the restrictions on France would be eye-watering.

Imagine the German government having to borrow money to bail out France!

It's no secret that I've never been a fan of the EU, economically it never made sense to me to have monetary union but not fiscal union.

Thank God for Gordon Brown (excusing all his other failures of course....)


Re a bailout, it would indeed be massive, but more importantly, would presumably come with massive conditions attached. The Germans aren't just going to chuck money at the French - they'll demand huge budget cuts as a condition - will that be acceptable to the French populace? Looking at things right now, definitely not - what follows after is the real question.

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France is lost on 10:45 - Oct 20 with 622 viewsbalcombeblue

France is lost on 10:41 - Oct 20 by giant_stow

Re a bailout, it would indeed be massive, but more importantly, would presumably come with massive conditions attached. The Germans aren't just going to chuck money at the French - they'll demand huge budget cuts as a condition - will that be acceptable to the French populace? Looking at things right now, definitely not - what follows after is the real question.


It’s not going to be acceptable to the French, the Germans or any other significant member state.

That much discredited figure about the damage to UK GDP from Brexit will look utterly trivial in a couple of years time. The jury is still out on whether Brexit will be a long term success, given the EU may disintegrate in the next decade.
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France is lost on 10:53 - Oct 20 with 589 viewsSWLondonBlue93

France is lost on 08:15 - Oct 20 by Benters

Eyebrows and his team of chancers are doing a mighty fine job of that already buh.


Will anyone ever answer the question, what specifically is Burnham doing to ruin the country?
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France is lost on 10:56 - Oct 20 with 578 viewsgiant_stow

France is lost on 10:45 - Oct 20 by balcombeblue

It’s not going to be acceptable to the French, the Germans or any other significant member state.

That much discredited figure about the damage to UK GDP from Brexit will look utterly trivial in a couple of years time. The jury is still out on whether Brexit will be a long term success, given the EU may disintegrate in the next decade.


I don;t know about Brexit's costs looking trivial, but if the Eurozone goes belly up, presumably, we'd catch a lot of economic crap from that too.

Re Brexit though, I wonder if the Germans in particular wish they'd done more to keep us on side? They could do with another payee country if nothing else. We'd also have been a useful moderating voice politically, given how so much of Europe looks like it's heading far-right. Hey ho - they dug their heals in as was their right.

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