| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment 09:06 - Nov 9 with 3037 views | hype313 |
The striker department is more of a concern for me.
Emmerson looks like a decent prospect, but is incredibly raw and it's a tough ask for him to come into a PL campaign and hit the ground running from the off.
Flemming looks like he has all the hallmarks of a solid Championship striker, hence why he has spent 4 of the last 5 seasons in that league.
And Akpom looks hungry, but not sure you'd hang your hat on him to hit double figures.
Luckily we do have goals elsewhere across the forward line and we have proved we can score goals, but yet again we have non firing strikers, something that has been our Achilles heel for a number of seasons now. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:00 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:25 - Nov 9 by rickw |
I've said for a few weeks to give Flemming a start, I agree Emersonn has a higher ceiling but he isn't a start every match player at the moment, I really feel he can make an impact coming on after an hour.
I don't know if Flemming is the answer or not - we haven't seen enough of him yet, but last season he did match Delap's goals tally for us in the PL so I think he's worth a go |
Hes a poundland delap and a joe pigott signing.
Hes nowhere near good enough |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:15 - Nov 9 | HighgateBlue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:15 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Emmerson could turn out to be great but no way should he be the main striker in his first season at this level, give the lad a chance to warm up a bit. |
So what do we do, start Flemming? Akpom? Or lament letting Hirst go?
Delap was our main striker at a younger age, and it was in substance his first season at Prem level (previous solitary appearances for Man City surely don't shift the dial).
I think you start the best you have. I don't have a problem with Emersonn being picked. I don't think he's really getting the service he needs. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:21 - Nov 9 | hype313 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:15 - Nov 9 by HighgateBlue |
So what do we do, start Flemming? Akpom? Or lament letting Hirst go?
Delap was our main striker at a younger age, and it was in substance his first season at Prem level (previous solitary appearances for Man City surely don't shift the dial).
I think you start the best you have. I don't have a problem with Emersonn being picked. I don't think he's really getting the service he needs. |
He was given one on a plate in the first 10 minutes yesterday, beautiful ball into the 6 yard box and all he had to do was get a touch and he missed it completely. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:29 - Nov 9 | m14_blue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:07 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
I was thinking this too, up until the peno. No point putting all blame on the keeper when we aren't scoring goals. |
We've scored the sixth most in the league.
The same as Arsenal, more than Liverpool, Villa, Man United, Spurs and Newcastle. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:43 - Nov 9 | Ruby |
Flemming's done OK. Couple of goals off the bench. He hasn't started yet. I thought he played well when he did start against Arsenal in the cup - looked a bit more mobile and mixed his game up well. Most of us were more than happy with the signing at the time. Certainly would have been plenty of moaning if we'd missed out and he signed for Hull or similar.
I keep seeing people writing him off as championship at best (seems to be the trendy new 'hot take' phrase). But he's literally just proved last season that his best is a decent prem level. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:52 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:15 - Nov 9 by HighgateBlue |
So what do we do, start Flemming? Akpom? Or lament letting Hirst go?
Delap was our main striker at a younger age, and it was in substance his first season at Prem level (previous solitary appearances for Man City surely don't shift the dial).
I think you start the best you have. I don't have a problem with Emersonn being picked. I don't think he's really getting the service he needs. |
I rate Emmerson but I don;t want to cement my hopes on him over 38 games, he is just finding his feet.
The solution bearing in mind the only objective is to stay up this season, is to buy or loan in an experienced #9 and pull out a coup like we did with Pala.
I would be going all out to get Icardi, bonkers or not he is a damn find footballer on his day. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:53 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:00 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hes a poundland delap and a joe pigott signing.
Hes nowhere near good enough |
Joe Piggot! That is harsh ha | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 12:38 - Nov 9 | homer_123 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:00 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hes a poundland delap and a joe pigott signing.
Hes nowhere near good enough |
Jeez Frimmers. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 12:44 - Nov 9 | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Worth noting Enciso often played as the number 9 for Strasbourg. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 12:46 - Nov 9 | hype313 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:00 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hes a poundland delap and a joe pigott signing.
Hes nowhere near good enough |
Unlike you to go all hyperbolic. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:08 - Nov 9 | Adams |
It was always a risk to start a forward with only 11 goals in his career. I've not seen anything to suggest he has a high ceiling so far, and he doesn't ever look like scoring. He's doing very good work off the ball when we haven't got the ball, though.
I'm much more concerned with the defensive part of our game. I don't think the number of goals we score over the season will be the biggest issue. [Post edited 9 Nov 13:09]
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:13 - Nov 9 | RayleighBlue |
Whilst vastly superior footballers the thought of playing Enciso or Maeda as a 9 on their own is giving me massive flashbacks to playing Szmodics up front on his own against Newcastle. I'd worry about Premier League centre half's eating them for breakfast. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:15 - Nov 9 | itfc_bucks |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:07 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
I was thinking this too, up until the peno. No point putting all blame on the keeper when we aren't scoring goals. |
If we get to a stage where, as a newly promoted side, we're needing to score three goals to win a game, we're beyond fooked. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:21 - Nov 9 | Illinoisblue |
The fact we spent 200 million pounds in the summer and are still clearly short at both ends of the pitch is quite something. Not sure if it’s a reflection on our recruitment or just the state of play for promoted clubs trying to play catch up and survive. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:22 - Nov 9 | jayessess |
Think you have to take the forward line as a whole as functioning basically OK, don't you?
15 goals in 10 games is fine - tracks to 57 across the whole season, 21 more than last time. No team scoring 50 goals last season was anywhere near relegation trouble.
It plainly isn't our main issue right now. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:29 - Nov 9 | homer_123 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:22 - Nov 9 by jayessess |
Think you have to take the forward line as a whole as functioning basically OK, don't you?
15 goals in 10 games is fine - tracks to 57 across the whole season, 21 more than last time. No team scoring 50 goals last season was anywhere near relegation trouble.
It plainly isn't our main issue right now. |
Yesterday, somewhat, harked back to that season in the Prem under KM.
In that we made individual mistake and were brutally punished for it. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:38 - Nov 9 | Zx1988 |
It feels like, to an extent, we're seeing 2024/25 all over again up top.
Both Delap and Emersonn were signed as players to be developed and, owing to not having signed a decent starting No 9, ended up becoming the starting striker.
Once again the recruitment team has failed to sign the striker that was needed at the start of the window, and I now make that at least five windows running. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:45 - Nov 9 | jayessess |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 13:38 - Nov 9 by Zx1988 |
It feels like, to an extent, we're seeing 2024/25 all over again up top.
Both Delap and Emersonn were signed as players to be developed and, owing to not having signed a decent starting No 9, ended up becoming the starting striker.
Once again the recruitment team has failed to sign the striker that was needed at the start of the window, and I now make that at least five windows running. |
By this point in 2024/25 we'd scored 10 goals, 5 of which were from Delap. This season we've scored 15 and no single player has more than 2. Think that's a much healthier place to be in. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:08 - Nov 9 | Wright1 |
Emersonn is the sort of player you sign to be your back up - I am concerned that we might already be seeing signs that the step up, amount of minutes and everything else combined might be starting to grind him down already. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:10 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 12:46 - Nov 9 by hype313 |
Unlike you to go all hyperbolic. |
Keep being told more to come. To early to judge but each game he gets worse. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:21 - Nov 9 | Geordietown68 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:59 - Nov 9 by homer_123 |
I've said this before.
Emersonn was not signed as our main striker but as a player that we'd want to develop.
Tammy A (from what we saw in the press) was clearly a target for us as our No.1 striker (and I suspect there were others we were in for).
Akpom is a decent and, arguably more proven at Prem/ high level than either Emersonn and Fleming.
Fleming looks decent but hard to judge as hasn't had a run.
However, again, GON is like KM. The lone striker role is more than just goals - they are being asked to do a lot for the team both in and out of possession. Right now, Emersonn seems to be the better option of the three (goals aside) for that role.
And, again, we are setup to score goals from different positions so we are not reliant on a single striker. |
Agreed i think we should give akpom a go at 9 against spurs .
Thought he's done great when required so far and has the physicality we need until January
He did well yesterday when came on |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:22 - Nov 9 | hype313 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:10 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Keep being told more to come. To early to judge but each game he gets worse. |
Joe Pigott hasn't scored a Championship goal, let alone 12 PL goals. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:28 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:21 - Nov 9 by Geordietown68 |
Agreed i think we should give akpom a go at 9 against spurs .
Thought he's done great when required so far and has the physicality we need until January
He did well yesterday when came on |
If we are starting Akpom next up to give him a go as the other two are struggling and/or not good enough then we have seriously failed as a club to give this a proper go this time.
I like Chuba, but he is not the solution.
Such a shame we did not get Tammy Abraham, that experience would have been a game changer for us. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:29]
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:30 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:22 - Nov 9 by hype313 |
Joe Pigott hasn't scored a Championship goal, let alone 12 PL goals. |
Not why i referred to him
Joe was signed for a level he had scored goals in, signed for us and ended up being poor and not worth it
I get the same vibe from flemming 1 season at this level at the age of 28, can't see him improving, can't seem him working as a town forward in a lone role. As a 10 or as a striker in a 2 maybe but absolutely do not see a lone striker | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:42 - Nov 9 | gainsboroughblue |
Flemming was a Plan C, even D signing. We were after Abraham on loan going into deadline weekend and I'm sure the money was planned to use on a central defender. When Abraham delayed and delayed his decision, we had to move on and go for Flemming, and it was a mad dash to get that done.
I'm not sure on him to be honest. He hasn't had a run of games but I'm wondering if his record last year makes him sound better than he is. Emersonn is a young lad who I think will come very decent but had he joined a BHA, Bournemouth etc, he'd be in the U21's or loaned out pronto. |  |
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