| GON record with Wolves 19:36 - Nov 9 with 2292 views | Mckenna1263 |
The 2024/25 Season: His second season began disastrously, with the team failing to win any of their first ten league matches. While they picked up late wins against Southampton and Fulham, a 2–1 home defeat to Ipswich Town proved to be his final game. At the time of his dismissal, Wolves sat 19th in the table with just 9 points from 16 matches, having conceded a staggering 40 goals.
Is history about to repeat itself? Doesn't look like defence is a major priority. |  | | |  |
| GON record with Wolves on 19:51 - Nov 9 | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Half of those were from set pieces. Just the 3 for us so far so he’s shown he can fix that. |  |
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| GON record with Wolves on 19:53 - Nov 9 | MK1 |
His Xmas list will contain at least 2 defenders. |  |
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| GON record with Wolves on 19:53 - Nov 9 | mistert |
We don't know. That Wolves team was pretty dysfunctional at the time. We still seem a long way from that at the moment. [Post edited 9 Nov 20:31]
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| GON record with Wolves on 22:12 - Nov 9 | DavoIPB |
His stats and almost every metric of measuring a teams performance is woeful for every season he has managed in the premier league. It hasn't improved with his time at town. | | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:14 - Nov 9 | FrimleyBlue |
| GON record with Wolves on 19:53 - Nov 9 by mistert |
We don't know. That Wolves team was pretty dysfunctional at the time. We still seem a long way from that at the moment. [Post edited 9 Nov 20:31]
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Didnt they win 12 out of 14 games after he left or was that another club? |  |
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| GON record with Wolves on 22:27 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:14 - Nov 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Didnt they win 12 out of 14 games after he left or was that another club? |
It was from Feb when they went on a silly run, GON was sacked mid December after we beat them (we robbed them really, they were miles better than us especially 2nd half).
They actually took as many points in the 7 games before he was sacked as the 7 games after, then they went on a mad one under Pereira for 3 months. |  | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:33 - Nov 9 | Simonds92 |
Last i checked we had 11 points after 10 games, so no, there's no chance of that being repeated. If we continue with the same ppg for the rest of the season, we'll just about stay up. | | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 00:53 - Nov 10 | armchaircritic59 |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:27 - Nov 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
It was from Feb when they went on a silly run, GON was sacked mid December after we beat them (we robbed them really, they were miles better than us especially 2nd half).
They actually took as many points in the 7 games before he was sacked as the 7 games after, then they went on a mad one under Pereira for 3 months. |
Dysfunctional squad, wasn't long before Pereira got the boot after. I would imagine both were glad to be gone. Two or three players with ego's much bigger than their ability levels, not want you want at any club. |  | | |
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| GON record with Wolves on 10:13 - Nov 10 | bsw72 |
For history to repeat itself, surely we would not have 3 wins under our belt already and conceding at 2 per game with what feels like a good team spirit and supportive board, compared to winning 0 games and conceding at over 3 per game, with a dysfunctional team and erratic board.
Apart from that the similarity is striking  |  | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 10:27 - Nov 10 | ITFC_Essex |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:12 - Nov 9 by DavoIPB |
His stats and almost every metric of measuring a teams performance is woeful for every season he has managed in the premier league. It hasn't improved with his time at town. |
I can't believe we have got to this stage where people are slating the manager.
It is very feasible that another appointment (or even McKenna) that we'd be firmly in the bottom 3 at this stage. He's getting a weak squad for this league to overperform more often than not, and nick wins and draws we shouldn't have.
Our entitlement needs to be put in check. Yeah we've spent money, but it's been over the odds to get people in, so many of the signings values have been inflated. We still very much have a Championship squad. |  |
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| GON record with Wolves on 12:03 - Nov 10 | Guthrum |
| GON record with Wolves on 10:27 - Nov 10 by ITFC_Essex |
I can't believe we have got to this stage where people are slating the manager.
It is very feasible that another appointment (or even McKenna) that we'd be firmly in the bottom 3 at this stage. He's getting a weak squad for this league to overperform more often than not, and nick wins and draws we shouldn't have.
Our entitlement needs to be put in check. Yeah we've spent money, but it's been over the odds to get people in, so many of the signings values have been inflated. We still very much have a Championship squad. |
It's not even that. We do have the makings of a Prem squad. However, we've spent big for one summer only - much of that laid out in 2024-25 has gone back out of the door again*.
Barring Cov, Hull, Leeds and Sunderland (only one of which is substantially above us), our rivals have had between several and very many seasons of recruitment at this level. Time to get their squads fine-tuned for competitiveness. Some have ballsed that up (ManU), but they still had the opportunity, which we haven't, yet.
* Delap, Hutchinson, Ogbene, Muric, Szmodics, Phillips loan fee. |  |
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| GON record with Wolves on 12:29 - Nov 10 | ericclacton |
It's plainly obvious now Ashton got the wrong man he's clueless.
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| GON record with Wolves on 14:27 - Nov 10 | ITFC_Essex |
| GON record with Wolves on 12:03 - Nov 10 by Guthrum |
It's not even that. We do have the makings of a Prem squad. However, we've spent big for one summer only - much of that laid out in 2024-25 has gone back out of the door again*.
Barring Cov, Hull, Leeds and Sunderland (only one of which is substantially above us), our rivals have had between several and very many seasons of recruitment at this level. Time to get their squads fine-tuned for competitiveness. Some have ballsed that up (ManU), but they still had the opportunity, which we haven't, yet.
* Delap, Hutchinson, Ogbene, Muric, Szmodics, Phillips loan fee. |
We don't have a Premier League squad though... Walton, Palmer, Sherpen, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Fatawu, Taylor, Azor, Nunez, Florentino, Egeli, Jaden, McAteer, Maeda, Mehmeti, Fleming and Akpom are not Premier League level players. Would anyone bar Hull and Coventry take most of these in their squad? Upper Championship is their ceiling and he's got many of them performing well above that, even with the mistakes.
Clarke, Emersonn, Ouattara could potentially be. Leaving us with Lukic, Diop, Palacios and Enciso. 3 out of the 32. 6 if you count potential.
If O'Neil keeps this squad up, he will have earned his money and so far he is. | |
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| GON record with Wolves on 20:19 - Nov 10 | rgp1 |
| GON record with Wolves on 14:27 - Nov 10 by ITFC_Essex |
We don't have a Premier League squad though... Walton, Palmer, Sherpen, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Fatawu, Taylor, Azor, Nunez, Florentino, Egeli, Jaden, McAteer, Maeda, Mehmeti, Fleming and Akpom are not Premier League level players. Would anyone bar Hull and Coventry take most of these in their squad? Upper Championship is their ceiling and he's got many of them performing well above that, even with the mistakes.
Clarke, Emersonn, Ouattara could potentially be. Leaving us with Lukic, Diop, Palacios and Enciso. 3 out of the 32. 6 if you count potential.
If O'Neil keeps this squad up, he will have earned his money and so far he is. |
Good points but one fly in the ointment here. Didn't Ashton say we were on the limit of FFP at the end of the window? If that is the case how do we fund replacements for some of the 'championship' players in the event that we need to strengthen the squad? In addition, will any bloodletting at Citeh be a warning shot for others to behave on finances. [Post edited 10 Nov 20:19]
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| GON record with Wolves on 08:08 - Nov 11 | muccletonjoe |
| GON record with Wolves on 14:27 - Nov 10 by ITFC_Essex |
We don't have a Premier League squad though... Walton, Palmer, Sherpen, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Fatawu, Taylor, Azor, Nunez, Florentino, Egeli, Jaden, McAteer, Maeda, Mehmeti, Fleming and Akpom are not Premier League level players. Would anyone bar Hull and Coventry take most of these in their squad? Upper Championship is their ceiling and he's got many of them performing well above that, even with the mistakes.
Clarke, Emersonn, Ouattara could potentially be. Leaving us with Lukic, Diop, Palacios and Enciso. 3 out of the 32. 6 if you count potential.
If O'Neil keeps this squad up, he will have earned his money and so far he is. |
I think that is a fair assessment, we are going to find points hard to come by with the system we adopt . I think more discussions will be coming up on here about the manager in the week's ahead. |  | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 18:45 - Nov 11 | armchaircritic59 |
| GON record with Wolves on 22:12 - Nov 9 by DavoIPB |
His stats and almost every metric of measuring a teams performance is woeful for every season he has managed in the premier league. It hasn't improved with his time at town. |
I use stats quite a lot, but even I concede they don't actually play football. They can point you in a general direction, but they certainly should never be used with any seriousness on small sample sizes. And with anything in life that involves people, the very same stats can be interpreted differently by different people. | | | |
| GON record with Wolves on 10:16 - Nov 12 | ITFC_Essex |
| GON record with Wolves on 20:19 - Nov 10 by rgp1 |
Good points but one fly in the ointment here. Didn't Ashton say we were on the limit of FFP at the end of the window? If that is the case how do we fund replacements for some of the 'championship' players in the event that we need to strengthen the squad? In addition, will any bloodletting at Citeh be a warning shot for others to behave on finances. [Post edited 10 Nov 20:19]
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We will have to offload fringer players, you have to think theres not much point hanging onto Palmer, Furlong, Greaves, Kipre, Nunez, Taylor, McAteer, Mehmeti and co, they can still command decent fees from Championships sides in January.
City are allegedly going to get away with it now, so not much of a warning shot, if we didn't comply I suspect we'll get what Everton got. | |
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| GON record with Wolves on 10:51 - Nov 12 | itfc_bucks |
| GON record with Wolves on 14:27 - Nov 10 by ITFC_Essex |
We don't have a Premier League squad though... Walton, Palmer, Sherpen, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Fatawu, Taylor, Azor, Nunez, Florentino, Egeli, Jaden, McAteer, Maeda, Mehmeti, Fleming and Akpom are not Premier League level players. Would anyone bar Hull and Coventry take most of these in their squad? Upper Championship is their ceiling and he's got many of them performing well above that, even with the mistakes.
Clarke, Emersonn, Ouattara could potentially be. Leaving us with Lukic, Diop, Palacios and Enciso. 3 out of the 32. 6 if you count potential.
If O'Neil keeps this squad up, he will have earned his money and so far he is. |
Even if we accept your premise, that's four players you've named.
And if you can't get that bit right... | |
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| GON record with Wolves on 11:59 - Nov 12 | ITFC_Essex |
| GON record with Wolves on 10:51 - Nov 12 by itfc_bucks |
Even if we accept your premise, that's four players you've named.
And if you can't get that bit right... |
My little mistake aside, and you are using that as a premise to discount what I am saying.... what is in your argument that the likes of Walton, Palmer, Sherpen, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Fatawu, Taylor, Azor, Nunez, Florentino, Egeli, Jaden, McAteer, Maeda, Mehmeti, Fleming and Akpom are Premier League level players?
Walton, Palmer, O'Shea, Greaves, Taylor and Jaden were not at this level last time, which is partly why we finished 19th, and have only marginally improved this time, Kipre, Nunez, McAteer, Mehmeti and Akopm have never been at that level, Fleming has had one decent season at this level, but looks like a Championship player who had a single good season. Fatawu is a upper Championship player at best, Maeda clearly isn't a Premier League player, and the Scottish top flight is below the level of most mid-Championship teams.Egeli has some growing, but doesn't look a Premier League player.
Lukic, Diop, Palacios and Enciso - four players who are already good enough. Two are older players so thats going to affect the amount of games they play (as seen already). Clarke, Emersonn, Ouattara, might be.
Not really the depth in this squad needed to stay up comfortably.
O'Neil has this side overperforming already, and he's doing a good job. But we need a reality check about this squad, all I am seeing is blame for the keeper, manager and the argument "well we spent all this money" forgetting that we have had to pay inflated prices over the past few seasons to get players in anyway.
We're going to be in a relegation fight and we'll lose more than we win this season, can we scrape 17th? It's still a maybe, we might, but we don't have a Premier League level squad in reality and if O'Neil does manage to keep us up, he will have done a great job. [Post edited 12 Nov 12:01]
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