| Article worth reading on 09:38 - Mar 6 with 2167 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Social media is great at spreading panic! |  |
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| Article worth reading on 09:43 - Mar 6 with 2131 views | Swansea_Blue |
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| Article worth reading on 09:45 - Mar 6 with 2122 views | HARRY10 |
that's rather the approach the Daily Mail is taking |  | | |
| Article worth reading on 09:47 - Mar 6 with 2116 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:45 - Mar 6 by HARRY10 |
that's rather the approach the Daily Mail is taking |
that's nothing out the ordinary for the Fail though. |  |
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| Article worth reading on 09:47 - Mar 6 with 2118 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Article worth reading on 09:45 - Mar 6 by HARRY10 |
that's rather the approach the Daily Mail is taking |
And people running to the shops to buy bog roll. If all the food runs out all that bog roll won't be needed! | |
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| Article worth reading on 09:49 - Mar 6 with 2107 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:47 - Mar 6 by Swansea_Blue |
And people running to the shops to buy bog roll. If all the food runs out all that bog roll won't be needed! |
It will help with the forthcoming spread of cholera though, as the country descends into a farcical round of food shortages, failing government, water and power shortages and failings and the decimation of the population.
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| Article worth reading on 09:50 - Mar 6 with 2104 views | SomethingBlue |
It's a good piece and as a society we are particularly prone to the behaviours it observes, thanks in no small part to social media and 24-hour news. People get overwhelmed and confused. It's obviously a serious issue but the people who can take a lead by being responsible, should. Not sure it needs a fresh headline every time there's a new case, for example, unless the context is set out very clearly. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:50]
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| Article worth reading on 09:51 - Mar 6 with 2097 views | Chrisd |
Is it just me or are we going completely going overboard with this coronavirus? People die of the flu each year and self contain to manage it. Happy to be shot down with my own naivety, but it just seems lots of scaremongering is causing lots of unnecessary panic. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:55]
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| Article worth reading on 09:52 - Mar 6 with 2091 views | WeWereZombies |
| Article worth reading on 09:49 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
It will help with the forthcoming spread of cholera though, as the country descends into a farcical round of food shortages, failing government, water and power shortages and failings and the decimation of the population.
#iblamebrexit |
So it's bats in China who started Brexit?
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| Article worth reading on 09:52 - Mar 6 with 2088 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:50 - Mar 6 by SomethingBlue |
It's a good piece and as a society we are particularly prone to the behaviours it observes, thanks in no small part to social media and 24-hour news. People get overwhelmed and confused. It's obviously a serious issue but the people who can take a lead by being responsible, should. Not sure it needs a fresh headline every time there's a new case, for example, unless the context is set out very clearly. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:50]
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'It's obviously a serious issue.'
Is it? It has the potential to be serious but the effects it is having far, far outweigh it's current threat.
Markets going nuts, people panic buying etc. | |
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| Article worth reading on 09:53 - Mar 6 with 2084 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:52 - Mar 6 by WeWereZombies |
So it's bats in China who started Brexit?
#iblamegabrielforleavinggenesis |
If we had control of our borders then we'd never let Corona Virus in would be.
#thisiswhyimigrationisbad | |
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| Article worth reading on 09:53 - Mar 6 with 2086 views | SomethingBlue |
| Article worth reading on 09:52 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
'It's obviously a serious issue.'
Is it? It has the potential to be serious but the effects it is having far, far outweigh it's current threat.
Markets going nuts, people panic buying etc. |
I more or less agree with you — from a position of relative ignorance — and was just adding a caveat really. The panic buying in particular is absolutely insane. | |
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| Article worth reading on 09:55 - Mar 6 with 2082 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:51 - Mar 6 by Chrisd |
Is it just me or are we going completely going overboard with this coronavirus? People die of the flu each year and self contain to manage it. Happy to be shot down with my own naivety, but it just seems lots of scaremongering is causing lots of unnecessary panic. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:55]
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The biggest threat is not the virus itself (in its current form) but the potential impact on our health service.
In that the disease itself has a relatively low mortality rate in comparison to, say flu. But if we do have a spike then we'll be stretched from a health and social care perspective and the consequences could be bad in that those needing care for things like heart attacks will struggle to get the care and support they need. | |
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| Article worth reading on 09:56 - Mar 6 with 2068 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 09:53 - Mar 6 by SomethingBlue |
I more or less agree with you — from a position of relative ignorance — and was just adding a caveat really. The panic buying in particular is absolutely insane. |
Was merely asking the wider question. :)
Yes, panic buying is just stupid. | |
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| Article worth reading on 10:09 - Mar 6 with 2042 views | Guthrum |
| Article worth reading on 09:55 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
The biggest threat is not the virus itself (in its current form) but the potential impact on our health service.
In that the disease itself has a relatively low mortality rate in comparison to, say flu. But if we do have a spike then we'll be stretched from a health and social care perspective and the consequences could be bad in that those needing care for things like heart attacks will struggle to get the care and support they need. |
Not entirely true. Covid-19 may have both a higher infection rate and a higher mortality rate than 'Flu, plus there is not yet a vaccine or effective treatment. Even the mild form of the illness* is more debilitating than 'Flu.
There is still much research to be done, but the authorities are (rightly) erring on the side of caution when it comes to preparations.
* Tho in the last few days there is some suggestion there are less dangerous, but more infectious, strains of Covid-19 around. |  |
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| Article worth reading on 10:23 - Mar 6 with 2016 views | WeWereZombies |
| Article worth reading on 10:09 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Not entirely true. Covid-19 may have both a higher infection rate and a higher mortality rate than 'Flu, plus there is not yet a vaccine or effective treatment. Even the mild form of the illness* is more debilitating than 'Flu.
There is still much research to be done, but the authorities are (rightly) erring on the side of caution when it comes to preparations.
* Tho in the last few days there is some suggestion there are less dangerous, but more infectious, strains of Covid-19 around. |
Whilst you are correct in stating that there is a vaccine for 'flu' bear in mind that its efficacy is not 100%:
https://www.healio.com/pediatrics/influenza/news/online/%7B04d16853-92ee-46c4-b1 | |
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| Article worth reading on 10:26 - Mar 6 with 2010 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 10:09 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Not entirely true. Covid-19 may have both a higher infection rate and a higher mortality rate than 'Flu, plus there is not yet a vaccine or effective treatment. Even the mild form of the illness* is more debilitating than 'Flu.
There is still much research to be done, but the authorities are (rightly) erring on the side of caution when it comes to preparations.
* Tho in the last few days there is some suggestion there are less dangerous, but more infectious, strains of Covid-19 around. |
Given the modelling required (and what is still being undertaken in this respect) to understand the numbers - there appears to be conflicting information about infection and mortality rates.
It has the potential to be worse than Flu and there are reports this morning coming from China (this is my Daily Mail moment) that animal to human/ human to animal spread of Covid-19 is possible. Apparently a pet dog was found to have a weakened strain of the virus.
I believe you have the L and S strains are the main two variants of Covid-19 with L being more prevalent. So it can mutate but mutations don't always lead to viruses being worse - it can as easily mutate the other way.
Hence why I said it has the potential to be bad. In the short term the biggest impact is what we are seeing, panic. Panic in the markets and people panic buying. In the short/ medium term the strain on health service is likely to have a bigger impact than the virus itself.
Longer term - much harder to predict. | |
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| Article worth reading on 10:27 - Mar 6 with 2002 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Article worth reading on 09:51 - Mar 6 by Chrisd |
Is it just me or are we going completely going overboard with this coronavirus? People die of the flu each year and self contain to manage it. Happy to be shot down with my own naivety, but it just seems lots of scaremongering is causing lots of unnecessary panic. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:55]
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About 0.1% of those who get flu die.
3.4% of those who get the new virus die and it hits certain groups harder than others.
Even if only 1% of those who get the virus die, and even if it only hits 50% of the population, that’s about 400,000 people. That’s about the same number that die of flu worldwide. It means we will all probably know someone who dies.
There is no cure and it can’t be stopped from spreading. | | | |
| Article worth reading on 10:28 - Mar 6 with 1998 views | GaryCooper |
Governments and religion rules by fear, four thousand people die every day from TB FFS. |  | | |
| Article worth reading on 10:30 - Mar 6 with 1995 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Article worth reading on 09:49 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
It will help with the forthcoming spread of cholera though, as the country descends into a farcical round of food shortages, failing government, water and power shortages and failings and the decimation of the population.
#iblamebrexit |
On one level I bet the government are delighted they've got a new scapegoat to blame for their feck ups around Brexit. | |
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| Article worth reading on 10:31 - Mar 6 with 1995 views | WeWereZombies |
| Article worth reading on 10:27 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
About 0.1% of those who get flu die.
3.4% of those who get the new virus die and it hits certain groups harder than others.
Even if only 1% of those who get the virus die, and even if it only hits 50% of the population, that’s about 400,000 people. That’s about the same number that die of flu worldwide. It means we will all probably know someone who dies.
There is no cure and it can’t be stopped from spreading. |
'There is no cure and it can’t be stopped from spreading.'
There is no vaccine (yet) but having the virus (as the percentages you quote show) does not mean certain death.
And covid-19 can be stopped from spreading to a great extent by sensible precautions.
However all of us, to a greater or lesser extent, have moments when we are not sensible.
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| Article worth reading on 10:32 - Mar 6 with 1990 views | GaryCooper |
| Article worth reading on 10:27 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
About 0.1% of those who get flu die.
3.4% of those who get the new virus die and it hits certain groups harder than others.
Even if only 1% of those who get the virus die, and even if it only hits 50% of the population, that’s about 400,000 people. That’s about the same number that die of flu worldwide. It means we will all probably know someone who dies.
There is no cure and it can’t be stopped from spreading. |
The 3.4% is rubbish, there are countless people who have had the virus, had very mild symptoms and not reported it. | | | |
| Article worth reading on 10:33 - Mar 6 with 1990 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 10:27 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
About 0.1% of those who get flu die.
3.4% of those who get the new virus die and it hits certain groups harder than others.
Even if only 1% of those who get the virus die, and even if it only hits 50% of the population, that’s about 400,000 people. That’s about the same number that die of flu worldwide. It means we will all probably know someone who dies.
There is no cure and it can’t be stopped from spreading. |
That 3.4% is misleading and bandying about it doesn't help:
When Tedros made his remarks on Tuesday, WHO had recorded 3,112 deaths and 90,869 cases. Dividing the deaths by the cases, you get 3.4 percent. But that denominator is actually pretty fuzzy. So far, many countries – even those with sophisticated health systems, like the US – have struggled to get adequate testing up and running. And, to date, much of the focus has been on checking people who traveled to affected countries, not the broader population. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 10:36]
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| Article worth reading on 10:37 - Mar 6 with 1962 views | homer_123 |
| Article worth reading on 10:30 - Mar 6 by Swansea_Blue |
On one level I bet the government are delighted they've got a new scapegoat to blame for their feck ups around Brexit. |
Cummings must be in heaven? | |
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| Article worth reading on 11:31 - Mar 6 with 1878 views | Guthrum |
| Article worth reading on 10:26 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
Given the modelling required (and what is still being undertaken in this respect) to understand the numbers - there appears to be conflicting information about infection and mortality rates.
It has the potential to be worse than Flu and there are reports this morning coming from China (this is my Daily Mail moment) that animal to human/ human to animal spread of Covid-19 is possible. Apparently a pet dog was found to have a weakened strain of the virus.
I believe you have the L and S strains are the main two variants of Covid-19 with L being more prevalent. So it can mutate but mutations don't always lead to viruses being worse - it can as easily mutate the other way.
Hence why I said it has the potential to be bad. In the short term the biggest impact is what we are seeing, panic. Panic in the markets and people panic buying. In the short/ medium term the strain on health service is likely to have a bigger impact than the virus itself.
Longer term - much harder to predict. |
The suggestion I heard yesterday was that the milder, but more (successfully*) infectious, strains of C-19 may actually help. Patients are likely to survive, plus it may then confer immunity from the more lethal strain. Possibly accounts for the decline in the infection rate in Wuhan.
Animal to human transmission is thought to be how it first originated (possibly from bats). Plus dogs are able to catch colds from humans, always have been able to.
* By rapidly confining or killing the host, a virus essentially commits suicide, as it cannot then be passed on. | |
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