| Extract from “Left Out†on Corbyn Anti-Semitism 14:08 - Aug 24 with 6741 views | tractordownsouth |
Pretty awful comment from Andrew Murray here. Really embarrassed I couldn’t see the measure of JC earlier, if these are his real views
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:11 - Aug 24 with 3758 views | leitrimblue |
He should stick to tennis |  | | |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:18 - Aug 24 with 3707 views | giant_stow |
Very revealing, but not surprising. |  |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:23 - Aug 24 with 3686 views | Libero |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:11 - Aug 24 by leitrimblue |
He should stick to tennis |
actual LOLs, superb interwebbing. |  | | |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:29 - Aug 24 with 3676 views | Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. I think there's certainly a need to distinguish between much of the Jewish community and "brown immigrants" when it comes to a lot of systemic racism. The stats just don't back it up in the same way as more vulnerable communities that lack the same socio-economic stability and voice.
On the other hand, I think Jew-hate is a particularly insidious and dangerous racism in other respects. There's a darker aspect to it that isn't about colour or identity and much more of an artificial "othering" the reasons for which are never good. It's the "enemies from within" angle which arguably meant the Jews were the most ideologically important part of the oppression and extermination for the Nazis.
The question remains. How much does Corbyn actually subscribe to the latter? That Jews are dangerous and different as a people? I'm not convinced of that at all and Murray doesn't suggest that either.
I can see we're going to have editorialised snippets from this book for a while. Can't wait for the Oatcake scandal - disgusting stuff. |  |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:35 - Aug 24 with 3656 views | Libero |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:29 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. I think there's certainly a need to distinguish between much of the Jewish community and "brown immigrants" when it comes to a lot of systemic racism. The stats just don't back it up in the same way as more vulnerable communities that lack the same socio-economic stability and voice.
On the other hand, I think Jew-hate is a particularly insidious and dangerous racism in other respects. There's a darker aspect to it that isn't about colour or identity and much more of an artificial "othering" the reasons for which are never good. It's the "enemies from within" angle which arguably meant the Jews were the most ideologically important part of the oppression and extermination for the Nazis.
The question remains. How much does Corbyn actually subscribe to the latter? That Jews are dangerous and different as a people? I'm not convinced of that at all and Murray doesn't suggest that either.
I can see we're going to have editorialised snippets from this book for a while. Can't wait for the Oatcake scandal - disgusting stuff. |
I like a lot of what Corbyn stood for, I voted for him more than once, but I think it's just time to file him away and move on, far too many question marks around this and the way he dealt with the referendum and the fall out from it.
In retrospect although I think his socialist values and policies were great, he was probably never the man to lead the country. [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 14:35]
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:40 - Aug 24 with 3640 views | Darth_Koont |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:35 - Aug 24 by Libero |
I like a lot of what Corbyn stood for, I voted for him more than once, but I think it's just time to file him away and move on, far too many question marks around this and the way he dealt with the referendum and the fall out from it.
In retrospect although I think his socialist values and policies were great, he was probably never the man to lead the country. [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 14:35]
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Agreed but the problem is that the attacks keep coming.
Because even if we wanted to file him away and move on, those values and policies still remain. We should never underestimate the lengths some people will go to discredit them through personal attacks rather than addressing them on their own terms. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:50 - Aug 24 with 3612 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:18 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Very revealing, but not surprising. |
It's not actually revealed anything though. It's just someone's opinion.
If it was a quote from Corbyn it would be revealing. |  |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:12 - Aug 24 with 3561 views | BlueBadger |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:50 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
It's not actually revealed anything though. It's just someone's opinion.
If it was a quote from Corbyn it would be revealing. |
The opinion of someone who's worked with him very closely for a number of years... |  |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:14 - Aug 24 with 3556 views | BlueBadger |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:50 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
It's not actually revealed anything though. It's just someone's opinion.
If it was a quote from Corbyn it would be revealing. |
'“In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on the grounds of freedom of speech,” said a statement released by the Labour party on Friday. “However, the mural was offensive, used antisemitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/23/corbyn-criticised-after-backing | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:19 - Aug 24 with 3534 views | giant_stow |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 14:50 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
It's not actually revealed anything though. It's just someone's opinion.
If it was a quote from Corbyn it would be revealing. |
Really? Coming from one of his closest aids, it says a lot imo, but no worries. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:20 - Aug 24 with 3532 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:12 - Aug 24 by BlueBadger |
The opinion of someone who's worked with him very closely for a number of years... |
Lends it even less credence then. If he's been that close to Corbyn for years, why has he only offered his opinion rather than a direct quote? | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:21 - Aug 24 with 3522 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:19 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Really? Coming from one of his closest aids, it says a lot imo, but no worries. |
It says a lot because you want it to say a lot. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:22 - Aug 24 with 3515 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:14 - Aug 24 by BlueBadger |
'“In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on the grounds of freedom of speech,” said a statement released by the Labour party on Friday. “However, the mural was offensive, used antisemitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/23/corbyn-criticised-after-backing |
Why are you bringing this up again?! | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:26 - Aug 24 with 3504 views | giant_stow |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:21 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
It says a lot because you want it to say a lot. |
Don't go all darth on me dolly.
Would you listen if Dominic Cummings offered a little insight about Boris? | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:51 - Aug 24 with 3442 views | Darth_Koont |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:26 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Don't go all darth on me dolly.
Would you listen if Dominic Cummings offered a little insight about Boris? |
Dolly's not wrong.
You need the book's editorialising comment before the quote to even draw an antisemitic prejudice angle. The quote itself is vanilla and hard to even see as a criticism.
This constant stretching and flexing to make a flimsy and not particularly compelling narrative stand up is embarrassing. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:55 - Aug 24 with 3420 views | BlueBadger |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:22 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
Why are you bringing this up again?! |
Well, you wanted something he'd actually said... | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:57 - Aug 24 with 3413 views | BlueBadger |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:20 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
Lends it even less credence then. If he's been that close to Corbyn for years, why has he only offered his opinion rather than a direct quote? |
For all we know, he has, but it's not even documented in that very small extract. All about evaluating your sources innit and exercising your critical thinking muscles a bit. I'd trust the view of someone who doesn't appear to have an obvious axe to grind over a columnist paid to cheerlead, for example.
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 16:10 - Aug 24 with 3391 views | giant_stow |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:51 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Dolly's not wrong.
You need the book's editorialising comment before the quote to even draw an antisemitic prejudice angle. The quote itself is vanilla and hard to even see as a criticism.
This constant stretching and flexing to make a flimsy and not particularly compelling narrative stand up is embarrassing. |
Looking purely at the quote itself, I find it revealing that he doesn't consider jews to be 'marginalised' or sometimes 'disadvantaged' in Britain today.
The EHRC may well find Jews have exactly been marginalised and disadvantaged in the labour party over the past few years for example. Also try to remember that synagogues and Jewish schools need day to day protection like no other group in this country.
But hey, all jewish bods are prosperous, so no worries - they can afford the security at least.
I also find your side's increasingly desperate and wafer-thin "yeah but" defence painful to read. Best to say sorry, move on and promise it won’t happen again.
Edit for one late thought: if Murray is suggesting that prosperous people don't need Corbyn or the Labour party's help, where does that leave Diane Abbot, on her nicely above average salary, but facing awful racism? [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 16:35]
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 16:55 - Aug 24 with 3334 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:26 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Don't go all darth on me dolly.
Would you listen if Dominic Cummings offered a little insight about Boris? |
I'd listen more if he directly quoted him. I'd also wonder what his motive is rather than just accepting it. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 16:57 - Aug 24 with 3328 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:55 - Aug 24 by BlueBadger |
Well, you wanted something he'd actually said... |
Something relevant to what's been said in the tweet in the OP would be good. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:00 - Aug 24 with 3322 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 15:57 - Aug 24 by BlueBadger |
For all we know, he has, but it's not even documented in that very small extract. All about evaluating your sources innit and exercising your critical thinking muscles a bit. I'd trust the view of someone who doesn't appear to have an obvious axe to grind over a columnist paid to cheerlead, for example.
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"For all we know, he has"
haha, oh dear. I'd love you to use that as evidence in a court of law! | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:02 - Aug 24 with 3315 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 16:10 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Looking purely at the quote itself, I find it revealing that he doesn't consider jews to be 'marginalised' or sometimes 'disadvantaged' in Britain today.
The EHRC may well find Jews have exactly been marginalised and disadvantaged in the labour party over the past few years for example. Also try to remember that synagogues and Jewish schools need day to day protection like no other group in this country.
But hey, all jewish bods are prosperous, so no worries - they can afford the security at least.
I also find your side's increasingly desperate and wafer-thin "yeah but" defence painful to read. Best to say sorry, move on and promise it won’t happen again.
Edit for one late thought: if Murray is suggesting that prosperous people don't need Corbyn or the Labour party's help, where does that leave Diane Abbot, on her nicely above average salary, but facing awful racism? [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 16:35]
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"Looking purely at the quote itself, I find it revealing that he doesn't consider jews to be 'marginalised' or sometimes 'disadvantaged' in Britain today."
So you've taken one person's opinion (not a quote from Corbyn, or any other evidence) and just decided it's fact now! Brilliant! Bring out the stocks! | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:18 - Aug 24 with 3284 views | giant_stow |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:02 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue |
"Looking purely at the quote itself, I find it revealing that he doesn't consider jews to be 'marginalised' or sometimes 'disadvantaged' in Britain today."
So you've taken one person's opinion (not a quote from Corbyn, or any other evidence) and just decided it's fact now! Brilliant! Bring out the stocks! |
Remember I'm chatting about why I believe this quote to be revealing, in respoinse to Darth who thinks 'The quote itself is vanilla and hard to even see as a criticism.'
I'm asking for stocks to be brought out, silly. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:25 - Aug 24 with 3267 views | Darth_Koont |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 16:10 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Looking purely at the quote itself, I find it revealing that he doesn't consider jews to be 'marginalised' or sometimes 'disadvantaged' in Britain today.
The EHRC may well find Jews have exactly been marginalised and disadvantaged in the labour party over the past few years for example. Also try to remember that synagogues and Jewish schools need day to day protection like no other group in this country.
But hey, all jewish bods are prosperous, so no worries - they can afford the security at least.
I also find your side's increasingly desperate and wafer-thin "yeah but" defence painful to read. Best to say sorry, move on and promise it won’t happen again.
Edit for one late thought: if Murray is suggesting that prosperous people don't need Corbyn or the Labour party's help, where does that leave Diane Abbot, on her nicely above average salary, but facing awful racism? [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 16:35]
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I would say sorry about what happened and move on if we could establish what "our side" is meant to be apologizing for.
I'm not accepting the accusations of right-wing ethno-religious nationalists though. Maybe get "your" nutjobs in line, take the party political and Middle East agenda out of it, and then we can work out what is legitimate.
I keep coming back to it but this stuff can be and must be looked at using the actual evidence rather than whatever comes out of GnasherJew or Stephen Pollard's toxic brains. | |
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| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:29 - Aug 24 with 3254 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Extract from “Left Out” on Corbyn Anti-Semitism on 17:18 - Aug 24 by giant_stow |
Remember I'm chatting about why I believe this quote to be revealing, in respoinse to Darth who thinks 'The quote itself is vanilla and hard to even see as a criticism.'
I'm asking for stocks to be brought out, silly. |
You're talking like it's true, without any evidence. You want it to be true, and that, seemingly, is enough.
It's no more "revealing" than if I said I reckon Ulla likes big boobs. You may well do, you might be more of a leg man, but I've just offered an opinion. It's not a direct quote from you, and there's no other evidence either. | |
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