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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools 16:14 - Aug 25 with 1256 viewsMullet

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-exclusive-england-set-u-turn-masks-schools?

Is this following the science and mature pragmatism from the government?

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:28 - Aug 25 with 1215 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Interesting.

Looks like only in communal areas. Does that mean just at breaks and lunch? Will they be able to wear the same mask or will they need 1 for the bus in, another 1 for each break and a further one for the bus home? This would mean for many students 4 or 5 different masks every day! If we are keeping them in year group bubbles I am not sure how this helps unless they wear them in class too. I think wearing them all day is uncomfortable at best.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:30 - Aug 25 with 1211 viewsMullet

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:28 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue

Interesting.

Looks like only in communal areas. Does that mean just at breaks and lunch? Will they be able to wear the same mask or will they need 1 for the bus in, another 1 for each break and a further one for the bus home? This would mean for many students 4 or 5 different masks every day! If we are keeping them in year group bubbles I am not sure how this helps unless they wear them in class too. I think wearing them all day is uncomfortable at best.


Is a classroom not communal?

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:31 - Aug 25 with 1210 viewsFixed_It

Excellent. They've had weeks to work out a plan and with a few days to go they decide to prove thst they are making it up as they go along. Again.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:32 - Aug 25 with 1202 viewsNthsuffolkblue

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:30 - Aug 25 by Mullet

Is a classroom not communal?


In which case what part of the school isn't?

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:32 - Aug 25 with 1201 viewsFixed_It

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:30 - Aug 25 by Mullet

Is a classroom not communal?


That was my first thought. But don't expect the government to have considered this level of detail!

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:34 - Aug 25 with 1196 viewsMullet

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:32 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue

In which case what part of the school isn't?


Toilets? Hopefully?

I'm merely asking the question because I don't understand the guidance's effectiveness as presented here.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:35 - Aug 25 with 1187 viewsMullet

Also I see Sally Collier has stepped down as head of Ofqual.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 16:39 - Aug 25 with 1165 viewscbower

Let's just have done with it and instate Nicola Sturgeon as British PM. Whatever you may think, sh at least shows some leadership. Johnson and his mob are useless and Starmer has been a massive, largely anonymous disappointment too.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:05 - Aug 25 with 1117 viewsSarge

Why does it need to be mandated by the government? If headteachers want to mandate their usage in school why can they not simply do so of their own accord?

Just seems like with pretty much all of the decisions made in this pandemic it’s either taken so they can be seen to be doing something or taken because some small fraction of the public have kicked up a fuss.
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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:17 - Aug 25 with 1088 viewsChrisd

Is it any surprise Mullet? The Government have been turning themselves inside out with most of their decisions since being elected. They're decision making seriously lacks credibility. I'm finding I'm taking most things with a pinch of salt, where they are concerned.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:37 - Aug 25 with 1071 viewsBlueBadger

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:17 - Aug 25 by Chrisd

Is it any surprise Mullet? The Government have been turning themselves inside out with most of their decisions since being elected. They're decision making seriously lacks credibility. I'm finding I'm taking most things with a pinch of salt, where they are concerned.


It's almost like they were a bunch of dishonest shysters elected and supported by idiots on the back of 'this stuff will definitely get better even though it's pretty much guaranteed not to'.

The Paul Lambert of governments.

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:51 - Aug 25 with 1049 viewsMullet

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:05 - Aug 25 by Sarge

Why does it need to be mandated by the government? If headteachers want to mandate their usage in school why can they not simply do so of their own accord?

Just seems like with pretty much all of the decisions made in this pandemic it’s either taken so they can be seen to be doing something or taken because some small fraction of the public have kicked up a fuss.


Are you asking why pandemic measures need to be mandated by the government or just adding them to the uniform policy for example?

There are several moral and practical factors to consider for heads, if they do and local schools don't or vice versa they might be open to abuse they don't fancy, but likewise you will get parents being awkward and creating friction unfortunately as the general public have shown. That can start with one and escalate rapidly in many schools unfortunately.

Overriding that though is the fact that schools are no longer places of education but social care, community kitchens, hubs and centres all rolled into one with all the scrutiny and precious little protection in return. Staff are not experts, and signing off risk assessments is a legal duty which can have massive personal and professional consequences.

If heads (and their staff by extension) can't be guided but can be culpable how is that fair or good for society?

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 18:03 - Aug 25 with 1036 viewsSarge

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:51 - Aug 25 by Mullet

Are you asking why pandemic measures need to be mandated by the government or just adding them to the uniform policy for example?

There are several moral and practical factors to consider for heads, if they do and local schools don't or vice versa they might be open to abuse they don't fancy, but likewise you will get parents being awkward and creating friction unfortunately as the general public have shown. That can start with one and escalate rapidly in many schools unfortunately.

Overriding that though is the fact that schools are no longer places of education but social care, community kitchens, hubs and centres all rolled into one with all the scrutiny and precious little protection in return. Staff are not experts, and signing off risk assessments is a legal duty which can have massive personal and professional consequences.

If heads (and their staff by extension) can't be guided but can be culpable how is that fair or good for society?


The latter. I would have thought it could have been a simple addition to the uniform policy but I had no idea of the implications or complications of doing that. Your explanation has clarified that though, thanks.
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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 18:22 - Aug 25 with 1000 viewsbluelagos

Be a lot simpler just to put Nichola Sturgeon in charge and cut out all the uncertainty inbetween.

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TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 19:08 - Aug 25 with 963 viewsMullet

TES now predicting a U-turn on masks in schools on 17:17 - Aug 25 by Chrisd

Is it any surprise Mullet? The Government have been turning themselves inside out with most of their decisions since being elected. They're decision making seriously lacks credibility. I'm finding I'm taking most things with a pinch of salt, where they are concerned.


No and it was something I predicted in my last thread on the subject I believe. Credibility is a big factor and as you say they simply have none. People willing to excuse them generally seem to do so by blaming others or simply explaining away their behaviour.

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