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A Crisis of Conservatism 14:00 - Sep 17 with 7321 viewstractordownsouth

I've written another piece on my blog about how Johnson has moved the Tories away from traditional conservatism and completely reinvented the party.

I'm still not sure whether this approach can survive the likely economic impact of Brexit, or whether it's a house of cards ready to topple down.

https://www.thingscanonlygetbetter.online/post/a-crisis-of-conservatism

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:04 - Sep 17 with 2237 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

Just out of interest what is the likely economic impact of Brexit you refer to?
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:23 - Sep 17 with 2201 viewsHerbivore

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:04 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Just out of interest what is the likely economic impact of Brexit you refer to?
[Post edited 17 Sep 2020 14:06]


Bad, mate. Really, really bad.

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 with 2191 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:23 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

Bad, mate. Really, really bad.


Thanks for the detail.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 with 2186 viewsHerbivore

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Thanks for the detail.


You can look the detail up yourself, mate. It's good to do your own research.

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:54 - Sep 17 with 2148 viewsfactual_blue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

You can look the detail up yourself, mate. It's good to do your own research.


Good, but a teeny-weeny bit too challenging for some...

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:00 - Sep 17 with 2130 viewsHerbivore

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:54 - Sep 17 by factual_blue

Good, but a teeny-weeny bit too challenging for some...


Very true. Here's a link to a nice easily digestible summary on Wiki for those who don't want to research it themselves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:01 - Sep 17 with 2129 viewsbournemouthblue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:04 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Just out of interest what is the likely economic impact of Brexit you refer to?
[Post edited 17 Sep 2020 14:06]


And that was before he totally fecked up the economy with his bumbling of Corona

Not having a working Track and Trace system will be fatal for him I fear

(Not that that is a fear for me, I think these Tories have massively outstayed their welcome)
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:05 - Sep 17 with 2112 viewsSwansea_Blue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:23 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

Bad, mate. Really, really bad.


FISH!


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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:10 - Sep 17 with 2101 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

You can look the detail up yourself, mate. It's good to do your own research.


For something that hasn’t happened yet and is purely conjecture. Ok.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:10 - Sep 17 with 2104 viewsStokieBlue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 14:26 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Thanks for the detail.


Look at it this way. If you were making shirts for a football club and one club had 1000 fans and the other had 10000 fans where would you prioritise your time and efforts?

Furthermore would you give the same deal to the smaller club as you did the larger club knowing that in the end the sales to the larger club are far more important and that's the business you really want.

Once you've reached your conclusions you should be able to work the rest out for yourself.

SB
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:12 - Sep 17 with 2086 viewsSpruceMoose

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:10 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

Look at it this way. If you were making shirts for a football club and one club had 1000 fans and the other had 10000 fans where would you prioritise your time and efforts?

Furthermore would you give the same deal to the smaller club as you did the larger club knowing that in the end the sales to the larger club are far more important and that's the business you really want.

Once you've reached your conclusions you should be able to work the rest out for yourself.

SB


Does the conclusion involve the phrase 'but blue passports'?

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 with 2080 viewsSwansea_Blue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:10 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

For something that hasn’t happened yet and is purely conjecture. Ok.


Brexit has happened. We 'got it done' in January.

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 with 2082 viewsfactual_blue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:00 - Sep 17 by Herbivore

Very true. Here's a link to a nice easily digestible summary on Wiki for those who don't want to research it themselves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit


'All written by Marxist 'academics' who have weaselled their way into our universities and are funded by the EU to write remoaner propaganda.'

There, I've written the riposte for the hard-of-thinking.

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 with 2086 viewsStokieBlue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:12 - Sep 17 by SpruceMoose

Does the conclusion involve the phrase 'but blue passports'?


Given the seeming hatred for other countries I find it vaguely baffling why the colour of a document you can't possibly want to use is such a big factor for some people.

SB
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:19 - Sep 17 with 2061 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:10 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

Look at it this way. If you were making shirts for a football club and one club had 1000 fans and the other had 10000 fans where would you prioritise your time and efforts?

Furthermore would you give the same deal to the smaller club as you did the larger club knowing that in the end the sales to the larger club are far more important and that's the business you really want.

Once you've reached your conclusions you should be able to work the rest out for yourself.

SB


Isn’t the point that you are now free to cut deals with as many Clubs as you want and on your own terms?
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:21 - Sep 17 with 2043 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 by Swansea_Blue

Brexit has happened. We 'got it done' in January.


We are in transition the economic effects of life outside the EU, whether good or bad are yet to be felt.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:22 - Sep 17 with 2032 viewsSpruceMoose

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:19 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Isn’t the point that you are now free to cut deals with as many Clubs as you want and on your own terms?


Sounds like a lot of time and effort to go around and make deals with all those clubs. Not just for you, but for the buyer too.

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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:24 - Sep 17 with 2033 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

Given the seeming hatred for other countries I find it vaguely baffling why the colour of a document you can't possibly want to use is such a big factor for some people.

SB


Brexit is not about hatred of other countries but rather the institution of the EU.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:25 - Sep 17 with 2019 viewsStokieBlue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:19 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Isn’t the point that you are now free to cut deals with as many Clubs as you want and on your own terms?


You've missed the point.

Maybe give it another read and put the actors in the correct places. I'll give you a hint, the UK isn't the supplier in the scenario.

SB
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:28 - Sep 17 with 2002 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:25 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

You've missed the point.

Maybe give it another read and put the actors in the correct places. I'll give you a hint, the UK isn't the supplier in the scenario.

SB


Is there only one supplier of football shirts in your scenario?
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:28 - Sep 17 with 2002 viewsStokieBlue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:24 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Brexit is not about hatred of other countries but rather the institution of the EU.


I am sure that was the case for you but are you speaking for everyone who voted to leave?

SB
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:30 - Sep 17 with 1988 viewsStokieBlue

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:28 - Sep 17 by blueblueburleymcgrew

Is there only one supplier of football shirts in your scenario?
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I can only imagine you are wilfully missing the point now.

In the end no other party is going to prioritise the smaller market over the large one. It's basic economics which seems lost on many.

SB
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:31 - Sep 17 with 1980 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:28 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

I am sure that was the case for you but are you speaking for everyone who voted to leave?

SB


No more than you are in your post.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:36 - Sep 17 with 1967 viewsblueblueburleymcgrew

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:30 - Sep 17 by StokieBlue

I can only imagine you are wilfully missing the point now.

In the end no other party is going to prioritise the smaller market over the large one. It's basic economics which seems lost on many.

SB


Perhaps I have missed understood.

My point is that you don’t have to buy your shirts from only one supplier, if Adidas won’t sell to you then Admiral (are they still going?) will.
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A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:37 - Sep 17 with 1957 viewsHerbivore

A Crisis of Conservatism on 15:13 - Sep 17 by factual_blue

'All written by Marxist 'academics' who have weaselled their way into our universities and are funded by the EU to write remoaner propaganda.'

There, I've written the riposte for the hard-of-thinking.


Including those well known Marxists working alongside the government on their own forecasts.

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