| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities 18:13 - Oct 14 with 2449 views | SpruceMoose |
What a fooking mess. How on earth is this even going to be enforceable? What about the many English universities that don't have a traditional campus? What about students who don't live on campus?
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:16 - Oct 14 with 2437 views | pointofblue |
Those who live off campus will just join lectures virtually. No idea for the other two questions; they should have never been sent back. If lectures can be done virtually let them be done virtually. |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:20 - Oct 14 with 2419 views | LankHenners |
It's going to take a helluva lot of organisation and compliance from everyone involved and given the stories that have come out already it doesn't look promising. There'll be plenty of practical courses that would normally do end of term assessments around then as well so they'll be screwed by it. Would have to think people will have to go point-to-point in their or a relative's car as having thousands of students pile onto public transport would be a disaster.
Another inevitable consequence of the lack of joined-up (or any) thinking from the government on education. |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:21 - Oct 14 with 2410 views | SpruceMoose |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:16 - Oct 14 by pointofblue |
Those who live off campus will just join lectures virtually. No idea for the other two questions; they should have never been sent back. If lectures can be done virtually let them be done virtually. |
Agreed. Sending students back was all part of the Great Boris Great Britain is Open for Business Boogaloo.
My point is what does this aim to achieve? Like you say, if you live off campus you attend lectures virtually. And then what? You're expecting people to not leave their house for two weeks? It relies on so many unrealistic assumptions and expectations.
It's nonsense. [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 18:22]
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:23 - Oct 14 with 2395 views | pointofblue |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:21 - Oct 14 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. Sending students back was all part of the Great Boris Great Britain is Open for Business Boogaloo.
My point is what does this aim to achieve? Like you say, if you live off campus you attend lectures virtually. And then what? You're expecting people to not leave their house for two weeks? It relies on so many unrealistic assumptions and expectations.
It's nonsense. [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 18:22]
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I assume these instructions will only be directed at those who reside on campus - those who don’t will be under the local restrictions only. | |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:27 - Oct 14 with 2381 views | SpruceMoose |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:23 - Oct 14 by pointofblue |
I assume these instructions will only be directed at those who reside on campus - those who don’t will be under the local restrictions only. |
It's all fluff. Window dressing.
You'll have students trapped on campus eyeballing the pub across the street which is full of maskless gibbons larging it up at their work Christmas party.
The government has fooked all of this right up. | |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:32 - Oct 14 with 2368 views | factual_blue |
And 'spoons remains open. |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:33 - Oct 14 with 2363 views | jeera |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:32 - Oct 14 by factual_blue |
And 'spoons remains open. |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:43 - Oct 14 with 2330 views | pointofblue |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:32 - Oct 14 by factual_blue |
And 'spoons remains open. |
I wonder what would happen if Tim Martin was in charge of universities? | |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:43 - Oct 14 with 2328 views | bluelagos |
Not sure of the practicalities, but the idea of thousands of students mixing with each other (as now) with high rates of CV and then all returning to their homes over the xmas period has to be one of the most high risk / dangerous things possible.
So hopefully they can come up with a solution where the levels of student mixing is minimised in those 2 weeks before they all head home. Online learning does seem one obvious thing to ask for. Whether they could also close Uni bars etc. in those 2 weeks too I don't know.
But they have to address it or there could be a huge spread of the disease from the University hotspots to Gran and Grandad at Xmas... |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:51 - Oct 14 with 2318 views | bluelagos |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:21 - Oct 14 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. Sending students back was all part of the Great Boris Great Britain is Open for Business Boogaloo.
My point is what does this aim to achieve? Like you say, if you live off campus you attend lectures virtually. And then what? You're expecting people to not leave their house for two weeks? It relies on so many unrealistic assumptions and expectations.
It's nonsense. [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 18:22]
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I think you are looking for / hoping for perfection. And you are bound to be disappointed.
It they can reduce student mixing by say 75% in those last 2 weeks that would be hugely beneficial. Of course they'll never get close to 100% compliance but all these things help.
Not going to argue it's not all a balls up - it clearly is. But on it's own I have no issue with them trying to address an impending balls up (even if it is of their own making) | |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:55 - Oct 14 with 2314 views | SpruceMoose |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:51 - Oct 14 by bluelagos |
I think you are looking for / hoping for perfection. And you are bound to be disappointed.
It they can reduce student mixing by say 75% in those last 2 weeks that would be hugely beneficial. Of course they'll never get close to 100% compliance but all these things help.
Not going to argue it's not all a balls up - it clearly is. But on it's own I have no issue with them trying to address an impending balls up (even if it is of their own making) |
No I don't think I am. Competence would be an improvement. I'm just pointing out that it's a desperate measure from a desperate bunch of frauds that should have been seen coming on the horizon and dealt with.
It's a last gasp Hail Mary to avoid the impending chaos that you've have correctly outlined, which has been caused by their ineptitude and negligence. And ultimately it will fail. | |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 19:13 - Oct 14 with 2284 views | Swansea_Blue |
That's easy to deliver from the Uni side. It's weird, but easy. If our place is anything to go by, all teaching materials and lectures have already been transitioned to online. It'll impact on practicals (lab work/fieldwork, not that much of the latter is going on). But they can plan for that and it's only 2 weeks. Anything planned for in-face simply converts to Zoom. It'll actually be easier to deliver, because lecture theatre capacities have been drastically reduced due to social distancing measures. In-face lectures are having to be repeated up to 5 or 6 times. So going back to 1 class on Zoom will be a big help to academics.
How you enforce it is another matter. 1st year students will be mostly 'on campus' (this could mean in university propperties scattered around towns for those Unis with town campuses). 2nd & 3rd yr and all postgrads will be out in private lettings. So they could be anyone. Where would they have to stay; in their town, in their county? How do you stop them leaving? Roadblocks and papers check lol?
Sounds unnecessarily complicated to me.
Edit - just to add, there wouldn't be much teaching anyway after 8th December. I suspect this announcement will just lead to a rush of students going home now while they can.
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 19:15 - Oct 14 with 2272 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:20 - Oct 14 by LankHenners |
It's going to take a helluva lot of organisation and compliance from everyone involved and given the stories that have come out already it doesn't look promising. There'll be plenty of practical courses that would normally do end of term assessments around then as well so they'll be screwed by it. Would have to think people will have to go point-to-point in their or a relative's car as having thousands of students pile onto public transport would be a disaster.
Another inevitable consequence of the lack of joined-up (or any) thinking from the government on education. |
I'm a final year physiotherapy student and I'm so glad that I'm not a year or two back. All of our exams with a practical element are done now, whereas I believe the two cohorts behind me have/will be doing over Zoom the modules/exams which are heavy on practical skills (assuming nothing changes in the next few months). I've no idea how that's going to be anywhere near as effective, and it will probably seem a little bit rubbish for them. [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 19:17]
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 19:47 - Oct 14 with 2218 views | factual_blue |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:33 - Oct 14 by jeera |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 20:43 - Oct 14 with 2163 views | brazil1982 |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 18:23 - Oct 14 by pointofblue |
I assume these instructions will only be directed at those who reside on campus - those who don’t will be under the local restrictions only. |
It will be unenforceable. Students will be given strong advice to isolate for 14 days if they wish to go home, but we can't make them.
The teaching and assessment in our department has been designed to be delivered online if necessary which it is mostly now. Sem 2 we are relying on more face to face teaching and practical exams but planning for other scenarios. Feedback from students has been generally positive with these blended learning arrangements so far. |  | | |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 11:37 - Oct 15 with 1992 views | BlueBadger |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 19:13 - Oct 14 by Swansea_Blue |
That's easy to deliver from the Uni side. It's weird, but easy. If our place is anything to go by, all teaching materials and lectures have already been transitioned to online. It'll impact on practicals (lab work/fieldwork, not that much of the latter is going on). But they can plan for that and it's only 2 weeks. Anything planned for in-face simply converts to Zoom. It'll actually be easier to deliver, because lecture theatre capacities have been drastically reduced due to social distancing measures. In-face lectures are having to be repeated up to 5 or 6 times. So going back to 1 class on Zoom will be a big help to academics.
How you enforce it is another matter. 1st year students will be mostly 'on campus' (this could mean in university propperties scattered around towns for those Unis with town campuses). 2nd & 3rd yr and all postgrads will be out in private lettings. So they could be anyone. Where would they have to stay; in their town, in their county? How do you stop them leaving? Roadblocks and papers check lol?
Sounds unnecessarily complicated to me.
Edit - just to add, there wouldn't be much teaching anyway after 8th December. I suspect this announcement will just lead to a rush of students going home now while they can.
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It's yet more 'seen to be doing something' rather than actiually 'doing something'.
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 12:49 - Oct 15 with 1938 views | judespiveyg |
To be honest I could probably do it, (speaking as a first year student at Sheffield) if it meant I got to go home. (although with what the cases are like in the student village I'll probably have had it by Christmas anyway). I'm not desperate to bring it back to Fram.
The plan works on paper, It's a case of how much responsibility students want to take. While an individual could easily do it themselves and protect their own family if they wanted, with virtual teaching there's certainly no obligation to mix with others. The bigger picture is that if the majority don't you're risking the lives of a lot of people all over the country.
The students have been let down by the government these past few months, however I think we still need to be responsible here and think bigger picture. Two weeks in December isn't the end of the world. The rest of semester we can still socialise and do stuff. |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 13:02 - Oct 15 with 1926 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 12:49 - Oct 15 by judespiveyg |
To be honest I could probably do it, (speaking as a first year student at Sheffield) if it meant I got to go home. (although with what the cases are like in the student village I'll probably have had it by Christmas anyway). I'm not desperate to bring it back to Fram.
The plan works on paper, It's a case of how much responsibility students want to take. While an individual could easily do it themselves and protect their own family if they wanted, with virtual teaching there's certainly no obligation to mix with others. The bigger picture is that if the majority don't you're risking the lives of a lot of people all over the country.
The students have been let down by the government these past few months, however I think we still need to be responsible here and think bigger picture. Two weeks in December isn't the end of the world. The rest of semester we can still socialise and do stuff. |
Good post spoilt by the last sentence which, if you think about, sums up the problem. |  |
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| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 13:07 - Oct 15 with 1913 views | judespiveyg |
| Pre-Christmas Covid lockdown for English universities on 13:02 - Oct 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Good post spoilt by the last sentence which, if you think about, sums up the problem. |
I still mean responsibly and guideline following socialisation. I'm not saying have a flat party, but you can still go to cafes and stuff. When I say we can still socialise I don't mean unregulated recklessness. | |
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