| Thoughts re: Dyer 22:48 - Oct 28 with 2387 views | Lowie |
Having just watched the 2000 documentary, we're probably all more aware than ever about just what we've lost in recent years.
Whilst I don't want to rake up the whys and hows how this has happened (namely, us languishing in the 3rd tier) or to throw around blame, I think everyone can 100% agree how vital it is that we kick on this year and get the hell out of this league - the ramifications of not doing so will probably (with the salary cap, etc.) see us as a permanent fixture here.
I'm not in either camp re: Lambert. I generally support the manager to do the best for the club and am hugely proud that we aren't a 'sacking club' in the mould of Forrest and so many others. However, Lambert had a free pass the season we went down and seemingly another last year due to lockdown. There can be no doubt that this year, his team has to deliver, the stakes are simply too high not to for the future of the club. My worry, and what the video really reminded me that we're lacking, is someone that can COACH our players - i.e. make them better. That is what Robson did, and similarly Burley. I don't see any of that with Lambert - genuine question, which of our players (particularly those inherited from Mick or particularly the Hurst signings) has he genuinely actually improved? Some of them granted, aren't/weren't great players but there should still be some sign of progress.
If things do go wrong, we need to make a change to ensure as far as possible, we achieve promotion - I think Kieran should be given a crack. He's played at the highest level, under the greatest man ever connected to this club, in Sir Bobby. He is Ipswich born and bred and he has a heart on sleeve loves for our club, he gets our identify, who we are, what we're about. Sentiment aside, he is by all accounts, an excellent coach who would make our youngsters better players; very much sharing Burley's passion for youth.
We don't want a Warnock, Cook, Warburton style journeyman to come in whenever a vacancy becomes reality - we're Ipswich Town.
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 04:09 - Oct 29 with 2212 views | Bluearmy71 |
Exactly. it makes perfect sense to give him a try, maybe there is a little something in the air and has been placed as U23's coach to step up if/when needed! |  | | |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:26 - Oct 29 with 2070 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 04:09 - Oct 29 by Bluearmy71 |
Exactly. it makes perfect sense to give him a try, maybe there is a little something in the air and has been placed as U23's coach to step up if/when needed! |
I was thinking this too. Much easier to promote from within if he does well in the u23's, would be a popular choice and saves ME a few quid. |  |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:34 - Oct 29 with 2067 views | itfcjoe |
It’s interesting that the two most successful provincial clubs of the late 70s and 80s, who had a sustained spell competing under one great manager(Robson and Clough), have both only had success since (or their best times since doing so) under a player from that era - George Burley and Frank Clark
We’ve had success under John Lyall, and close to under Royle and McCarthy, and sure Forest are similar with someone like Billy Davies; but ultimately those who really get the ethos of the club were part of the great teams here and I really feel that is what is missing as the clubs lose their identities of what made them great. Especially with regards to youth development |  |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:43 - Oct 29 with 2029 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:34 - Oct 29 by itfcjoe |
It’s interesting that the two most successful provincial clubs of the late 70s and 80s, who had a sustained spell competing under one great manager(Robson and Clough), have both only had success since (or their best times since doing so) under a player from that era - George Burley and Frank Clark
We’ve had success under John Lyall, and close to under Royle and McCarthy, and sure Forest are similar with someone like Billy Davies; but ultimately those who really get the ethos of the club were part of the great teams here and I really feel that is what is missing as the clubs lose their identities of what made them great. Especially with regards to youth development |
Indeed, without that connection we're just A.N.Other FC.
I imagine people who really care about the 'company' they work for (for example the self employed) work harder, look at every aspect to make it successful, and ultimately do better.
I'm sure we all get a bit lazy in our regular jobs. If any of us on here were made ITFC manager we'd probably not sleep trying to get it right! | |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:55 - Oct 29 with 2005 views | ParisBlue |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:34 - Oct 29 by itfcjoe |
It’s interesting that the two most successful provincial clubs of the late 70s and 80s, who had a sustained spell competing under one great manager(Robson and Clough), have both only had success since (or their best times since doing so) under a player from that era - George Burley and Frank Clark
We’ve had success under John Lyall, and close to under Royle and McCarthy, and sure Forest are similar with someone like Billy Davies; but ultimately those who really get the ethos of the club were part of the great teams here and I really feel that is what is missing as the clubs lose their identities of what made them great. Especially with regards to youth development |
No guarantee though (e.g. O'Neill or Pearce) but I'd certainly be happy to see Dyer given a go with the right people around him.
More than anything I want to see a hungry manager with some desire. A good man manager who the players genuinely respect, want to play and with the right football vision. That's something that connects Ramsey, Robson, Lyall and Burley. We just need to find the next one. |  |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 13:19 - Oct 29 with 1750 views | lazyblue |
Dyer is being fast tracked to become Town manager one day | | | |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 15:11 - Oct 29 with 1641 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 13:19 - Oct 29 by lazyblue |
Dyer is being fast tracked to become Town manager one day |
Hope so. | |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 16:34 - Oct 29 with 1567 views | BlueyandCrazy |
Sadly can’t see Evans appointing a heralded ex itfc player. He prematurely sacked the one in the role when he took over. He doesn’t get the points you make about the fabric of the club, Cobbolds and Sheepy did. Furthermore he’ll only be well aware that the flak will be straight on him if Dyer has a sticky patch .....Evans wants his managers to take all the heat; Mick ....Lambert etc | |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 17:15 - Oct 29 with 1524 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:26 - Oct 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I was thinking this too. Much easier to promote from within if he does well in the u23's, would be a popular choice and saves ME a few quid. |
I was thinking it three. He's obviously highly rated if we've shuffled the pack to welcome him back. Who knows if there's some longer term thinking there....
I'm warming to the idea of having GB back (how couldn't you after that documentary), if only in an advisory role to a younger management team of Dyer and/or Nash. Burley built that team on spirit and character; traits that have been missing for a too often in recent years. I don't think it's all sentiment either - Dyer and Nash are pretty well regarded as coaches aren't they? Between them, they've had the U23s and youth set ups playing pretty well I think. |  |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 17:54 - Oct 29 with 1485 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 17:15 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I was thinking it three. He's obviously highly rated if we've shuffled the pack to welcome him back. Who knows if there's some longer term thinking there....
I'm warming to the idea of having GB back (how couldn't you after that documentary), if only in an advisory role to a younger management team of Dyer and/or Nash. Burley built that team on spirit and character; traits that have been missing for a too often in recent years. I don't think it's all sentiment either - Dyer and Nash are pretty well regarded as coaches aren't they? Between them, they've had the U23s and youth set ups playing pretty well I think. |
Yeah I'd love that, although Phil seems to think a Burley/Dyer dream team is a non-starter. Not that they've fallen out or anything, I think Phil was more suggesting Dyer wants to stamp his own mark without the spectre of another ex-successful hero looming in the background. Although maybe if it was just an advisory role, that could work.
If Dyer and/or Nash is what ME has a future eye on, then this is rather a canny move. He can give Dyer a run at the u23s and run the rule over him that way. Kind of try before you buy. He's had his fingers burnt via advice and people saying the right things in interviews, so this makes a lot of sense.
Maybe after all these years ME has a proper plan at last, as opposed to shots in the dark, flicking through the Big Book Of Washed Up Managers and getting 'Arry on the blower. | |
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 18:09 - Oct 29 with 1458 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
These kind of stories sound amazing, fantasy land stuff and we all (me inc) pray they would work because it would be incredible for the local boy to come back and be manager.
Would it work or not, nobody knows. I think we would all say we have nothing to lose. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 22:15]
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| Thoughts re: Dyer on 21:11 - Oct 29 with 1313 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 07:55 - Oct 29 by ParisBlue |
No guarantee though (e.g. O'Neill or Pearce) but I'd certainly be happy to see Dyer given a go with the right people around him.
More than anything I want to see a hungry manager with some desire. A good man manager who the players genuinely respect, want to play and with the right football vision. That's something that connects Ramsey, Robson, Lyall and Burley. We just need to find the next one. |
Agreed but my worry is that ME will continue to seek advice from those who have any connection with Town. His record so far has been terrible except MM to get us out of the mire.
It would be a brave move to promote Dyer/Butcher but then again Burley wasn't much more qualified! |  | | |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 21:24 - Oct 29 with 1288 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 17:15 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I was thinking it three. He's obviously highly rated if we've shuffled the pack to welcome him back. Who knows if there's some longer term thinking there....
I'm warming to the idea of having GB back (how couldn't you after that documentary), if only in an advisory role to a younger management team of Dyer and/or Nash. Burley built that team on spirit and character; traits that have been missing for a too often in recent years. I don't think it's all sentiment either - Dyer and Nash are pretty well regarded as coaches aren't they? Between them, they've had the U23s and youth set ups playing pretty well I think. |
A mate of mine had a son at Town and he didn't like Nash at all. Ultimately he left us for Villa as a youth and then ended up at Stoke and is now in the higher end of non league his version was that Nash didn't like the fact he was a plastic paddy. |  | | |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 02:17 - Oct 30 with 1103 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Whilst I love the idea of Dyer becoming our manager one day and would be keen for him to be given a shot when PL leaves, one thing that sticks in my mind and is possibly controversial, is that as a player Dyer never struck me as a player with the “football brain” to make it as a top coach.
Perhaps that’s just his playing position though, as many players from recent times like Magilton, Gerrard, Barton, Parker, Bowyer, Arteta and Zidane who have gone on to establish themselves as coaches, have largely been hard working midfield players (often CM) who see the whole game from the middle of the park. They were all also players who knew what it took to dictate a game when they were in their prime, and also commanded respect from their team mates around them, without always necessarily being the best technical players in the side. That’s perhaps more of a coincidence though. Dyer has of course though, played for some of the best managers of recent times so hopefully he has developed some of that know how along the way!
Still, I’d never write the guy off before he’s given a fair chance! And would love our next manager to have a real connection with the club and understand what the club means to the town. |  | | |
| Thoughts re: Dyer on 09:52 - Oct 30 with 915 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I'd give KD a shot.
He bleeds Ipswich, always has. Used to sponsor the youth teams, never shouted about it. Lived the footballer life, relatable to today's players.
He comes across so considerd these days. What experience did Howe have when Bournemouth 1st appointed him?
Can we get much lower? With our squad anyone of us should at least have us finish top half in my book so if he wanted it is let him at it |  |
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