| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil 13:31 - Feb 9 with 3213 views | gordon |
Had no idea until recently about his 'work' re HIV/Aids, which was utterly appalling. |  | | |  |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:48 - Feb 9 with 1710 views | Herbivore |
He's one of a worryingly large number of people - and there are many on here too - that are much more concerned about defending the rights of people to be bigots than they are about the victims of bigotry. The hypocrisy on show there is also quite staggering too, and a hallmark of the new right to be honest. They bang on about 'snowflakes' and 'cancel culture' but then block anyone who challenges them and tell people not to shop at Sainsburys because they dare to speak out against racism. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:51 - Feb 9 with 1688 views | itfcjoe |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:48 - Feb 9 by Herbivore |
He's one of a worryingly large number of people - and there are many on here too - that are much more concerned about defending the rights of people to be bigots than they are about the victims of bigotry. The hypocrisy on show there is also quite staggering too, and a hallmark of the new right to be honest. They bang on about 'snowflakes' and 'cancel culture' but then block anyone who challenges them and tell people not to shop at Sainsburys because they dare to speak out against racism. |
I do think these gotcha's are a bit pointless - there is a big difference between 'cancel culture' and blocking someone on your own personal Twitter account |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:52 - Feb 9 with 1680 views | SpruceMoose |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:48 - Feb 9 by Herbivore |
He's one of a worryingly large number of people - and there are many on here too - that are much more concerned about defending the rights of people to be bigots than they are about the victims of bigotry. The hypocrisy on show there is also quite staggering too, and a hallmark of the new right to be honest. They bang on about 'snowflakes' and 'cancel culture' but then block anyone who challenges them and tell people not to shop at Sainsburys because they dare to speak out against racism. |
The new right is projection, projection, projection. Their intellectual arguments are about as sophisticated as a playground 'I know you are, you said you, but what am I?' repeated ad infinitum. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:55 - Feb 9 with 1663 views | SpruceMoose |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:51 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
I do think these gotcha's are a bit pointless - there is a big difference between 'cancel culture' and blocking someone on your own personal Twitter account |
Ooh I know this one!
One is real (grumpy old gammons on Twitter blocking people who hurt their feelings) and the other is made up guff used by right wing conservatives to cry about their own actions having consequences (cancel culture)? | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:56 - Feb 9 with 1661 views | monytowbray |
AN is a poorly informed straight white male with privilege dripping from him. Always a joy to hear him whinging about COVID from whatever one of his holiday villas he decides to run away to whilst we are all stuck at home.
He’s also Chairman of one of the worst alt-right wing Tory PR rags out there and evidently was happy to take dodgy funding to damage society and line his own pockets.
How he’s managed to get this far as a respected journalist, let alone time at the Beeb, is incredible. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:57 - Feb 9 with 1651 views | Herbivore |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:51 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
I do think these gotcha's are a bit pointless - there is a big difference between 'cancel culture' and blocking someone on your own personal Twitter account |
That's more snowflake behaviour. I'm not sure if Neill has done this himself yet, but there have been people of his ilk telling people to boycott companies that are openly refusing to advertise with GB News. There's numerous examples of the new right boycotting companies who they see as promoting a 'woke agenda'. There's even more examples of them being 'snowflakes' and flouncing off and blocking people who say things they don't like. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:57 - Feb 9 with 1649 views | SpruceMoose |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:56 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
AN is a poorly informed straight white male with privilege dripping from him. Always a joy to hear him whinging about COVID from whatever one of his holiday villas he decides to run away to whilst we are all stuck at home.
He’s also Chairman of one of the worst alt-right wing Tory PR rags out there and evidently was happy to take dodgy funding to damage society and line his own pockets.
How he’s managed to get this far as a respected journalist, let alone time at the Beeb, is incredible. |
Clearly he's slept his way to the top, the massive slag. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:57 - Feb 9 with 1648 views | monytowbray |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:51 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
I do think these gotcha's are a bit pointless - there is a big difference between 'cancel culture' and blocking someone on your own personal Twitter account |
Not so much a GOTCHA as “it’s publicly evident AN has always been a sh1t.”
Owning one’s past really needs to become forefront to progress. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:00 - Feb 9 with 1636 views | monytowbray |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:57 - Feb 9 by SpruceMoose |
Clearly he's slept his way to the top, the massive slag. |
Also odd he’s so determined to play down sexual abuse that everyone knows happened as nothing based on how one chooses to read a single report.
The Beeb has form there too.
*Waves to Neil in Epstein’s little black book* [Post edited 9 Feb 2021 14:01]
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:02 - Feb 9 with 1618 views | SpruceMoose |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:57 - Feb 9 by Herbivore |
That's more snowflake behaviour. I'm not sure if Neill has done this himself yet, but there have been people of his ilk telling people to boycott companies that are openly refusing to advertise with GB News. There's numerous examples of the new right boycotting companies who they see as promoting a 'woke agenda'. There's even more examples of them being 'snowflakes' and flouncing off and blocking people who say things they don't like. |
I don't know how people can't see this.
Colin Kaepernick takes a knee:
Right wing conservatives - "Boooooo boycott the NFL, don't give him another job!"
Nobody in Hollywood wants to work with Mel Gibson because he's wildly anti-semitic:
Right wing conservatives: "OMG! Cancel culture! Marxists! Antifa!"
It's embarrassingly juvenile. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:05 - Feb 9 with 1594 views | monytowbray |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:02 - Feb 9 by SpruceMoose |
I don't know how people can't see this.
Colin Kaepernick takes a knee:
Right wing conservatives - "Boooooo boycott the NFL, don't give him another job!"
Nobody in Hollywood wants to work with Mel Gibson because he's wildly anti-semitic:
Right wing conservatives: "OMG! Cancel culture! Marxists! Antifa!"
It's embarrassingly juvenile. |
Middle Class White Boys 24/7. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:10 - Feb 9 with 1565 views | SpruceMoose |
If anyone can name me a celebrity who has had their career irrevocably damaged by 'cancel culture' when it wasn't as a result of something they've said or done that the majority of people would find offensive or distasteful then I'll eat my hat.
'Cancel Culture' is just people facing consequences for their own actions. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:11 - Feb 9 with 1548 views | monytowbray |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:10 - Feb 9 by SpruceMoose |
If anyone can name me a celebrity who has had their career irrevocably damaged by 'cancel culture' when it wasn't as a result of something they've said or done that the majority of people would find offensive or distasteful then I'll eat my hat.
'Cancel Culture' is just people facing consequences for their own actions. |
Bring back Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris I say, they’re the real victims. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:18 - Feb 9 with 1521 views | SpruceMoose |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:11 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
Bring back Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris I say, they’re the real victims. |
I could actually name three people off the top of my head.
Colin Kapernick
The Dixie Chicks
Bill Mahr
Bonus points for guessing who was outraged by them and why. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:27 - Feb 9 with 1479 views | J2BLUE |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:55 - Feb 9 by SpruceMoose |
Ooh I know this one!
One is real (grumpy old gammons on Twitter blocking people who hurt their feelings) and the other is made up guff used by right wing conservatives to cry about their own actions having consequences (cancel culture)? |
So much of this is down to a misunderstanding of what free speech means. They confuse freedom to make comments with protection from consequences.
If you make stupid comments people are going to push back. It's really not difficult to understand. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:32 - Feb 9 with 1461 views | Darth_Koont |
When people like Andrew Neil and Paul Dacre are elevated as the grand old statesmen of the media and gatekeepers of the Establishment then it’s a cause for real concern to all human beings. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:32 - Feb 9 with 1455 views | giant_stow |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:10 - Feb 9 by SpruceMoose |
If anyone can name me a celebrity who has had their career irrevocably damaged by 'cancel culture' when it wasn't as a result of something they've said or done that the majority of people would find offensive or distasteful then I'll eat my hat.
'Cancel Culture' is just people facing consequences for their own actions. |
I felt like taking up your challenge, just to be a contrary fcker. Was gonna suggest Germane Greer, but I don't have the guts to go there and fight that.
I even went to the trouble of googling "cancel culture victims" but that just resulted in people who shoulfd have been cancelled like R Kelly.
There was one interesting link though, making the point that often "victims" of cancel culture are not famous: https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/09/13/cancel-culture-is-only-get
Not sure what I reckon on this really, but am nervy about pile-ons in general and don;t really trust the court of public opinion. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:35 - Feb 9 with 1436 views | giant_stow |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:32 - Feb 9 by Darth_Koont |
When people like Andrew Neil and Paul Dacre are elevated as the grand old statesmen of the media and gatekeepers of the Establishment then it’s a cause for real concern to all human beings. |
I know you’ll hate and probably mock this, but I though AN was good on This Week. It was always clear what his own opinions were, but he bit at the right too. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:36 - Feb 9 with 1425 views | J2BLUE |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:32 - Feb 9 by giant_stow |
I felt like taking up your challenge, just to be a contrary fcker. Was gonna suggest Germane Greer, but I don't have the guts to go there and fight that.
I even went to the trouble of googling "cancel culture victims" but that just resulted in people who shoulfd have been cancelled like R Kelly.
There was one interesting link though, making the point that often "victims" of cancel culture are not famous: https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/09/13/cancel-culture-is-only-get
Not sure what I reckon on this really, but am nervy about pile-ons in general and don;t really trust the court of public opinion. |
Greer hasn't been cancelled though? | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:39 - Feb 9 with 1413 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:32 - Feb 9 by giant_stow |
I felt like taking up your challenge, just to be a contrary fcker. Was gonna suggest Germane Greer, but I don't have the guts to go there and fight that.
I even went to the trouble of googling "cancel culture victims" but that just resulted in people who shoulfd have been cancelled like R Kelly.
There was one interesting link though, making the point that often "victims" of cancel culture are not famous: https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/09/13/cancel-culture-is-only-get
Not sure what I reckon on this really, but am nervy about pile-ons in general and don;t really trust the court of public opinion. |
Jon Ronson’s book “So you’ve been publicly shamed?” Is the go to for this.
As for more public figures, Corbyn was cancelled ... in the sense that his principles and policies were almost entirely buried under misrepresentations, accusations and smears.  | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:40 - Feb 9 with 1405 views | giant_stow |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:39 - Feb 9 by Darth_Koont |
Jon Ronson’s book “So you’ve been publicly shamed?” Is the go to for this.
As for more public figures, Corbyn was cancelled ... in the sense that his principles and policies were almost entirely buried under misrepresentations, accusations and smears. |
Ah of course I'd forgotten that book. I really must start reading again - that always sounded interesting! | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:40 - Feb 9 with 1402 views | BlueBadger |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 13:51 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
I do think these gotcha's are a bit pointless - there is a big difference between 'cancel culture' and blocking someone on your own personal Twitter account |
One of them doesn't exist, for starters. |  |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:41 - Feb 9 with 1397 views | giant_stow |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:36 - Feb 9 by J2BLUE |
Greer hasn't been cancelled though? |
Has she not? She's at least a little in dog house innit?
In fairness, there are quite a few conditions to meet in Spruce's question - he tied up well. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:43 - Feb 9 with 1392 views | J2BLUE |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:41 - Feb 9 by giant_stow |
Has she not? She's at least a little in dog house innit?
In fairness, there are quite a few conditions to meet in Spruce's question - he tied up well. |
Some people are offended about what she's said but she's far from cancelled. | |
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| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:43 - Feb 9 with 1391 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice summary of the state of Andrew Neil on 14:35 - Feb 9 by giant_stow |
I know you’ll hate and probably mock this, but I though AN was good on This Week. It was always clear what his own opinions were, but he bit at the right too. |
I think he pointlessly hectored far too many of his guests (left and right) and doesn’t listen.
It just plays up to the oppositional nature of politics where he plays the proxy opponent. I’m sure we’ll have years to look forward of his bad faith takes and him willfully getting people’s positions wrong on a whole range of subjects. But luckily only to a paying audience. | |
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