| I've been thinking 09:42 - Mar 18 with 1725 views | bluelagos |
Yeah I know - not always a sensible way to spend your time, but anyhows.
If I were to get on my motorbike and go for a blast, like a proper blast, for arguments sake 40 mph over a speed limit - proper lost your license stuff...
Now forgetting all things CV - so let's say I was on my way to the shops - but I don't get caught. No police are around, no traffic cameras, no self incriminating youtube videos of me doing speeding (Yes, some people do post those)...so no crime is reported/recorded.
So my question - would I be a criminal? Would I have committed a crime? Did a crime even take place?
Just out (not to commit a crime) but interested in people's thoughts. Completely hypothetical as I wouldn't dream of riding 40 mph over a limit in case anyone is worried.
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| I've been thinking on 09:47 - Mar 18 with 1458 views | itfcjoe |
I'm in court on Monday for my ludicrous speeding offences, just a total waste of everyones time and tax payer money - hopefully increase on fine will be small for my heinous crime of doing 70mph on the A12 |  |
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| I've been thinking on 09:57 - Mar 18 with 1421 views | factual_blue |
Yes.
And No.
Or It Depends.
It's the tree in the forest conundrum. |  |
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| I've been thinking on 10:03 - Mar 18 with 1406 views | Oldsmoker |
This is one of those "Does a tree falling over in a forest make a noise if there's no-one there to hear it" questions.
As you say, that requires thinking and is not a sensible way to spend your time.
Edit: Sorry Facters - didn't see your post as I was in reply mode and it takes me ages to construct my replies because it involves thinking. [Post edited 18 Mar 2021 10:38]
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| I've been thinking on 10:26 - Mar 18 with 1373 views | Ftnfwest |
hypothetically, which route would you be taking? |  | | |
| I've been thinking on 12:12 - Mar 18 with 1319 views | Guthrum |
Yes, morally you would be a criminal, as you have broken the law, thus committing a crime. Especially doing it consciously and deliberately in such a fashion.
However, if you escape detection, you would not become a convicted (and so a publicly acknowleged) criminal. Only you would know.
The fact you might consider* such an offence to be "harmless" or "not really a crime" is irrelevant. The law of the land is an absolute and defined set of objective rules, considered to be in force over the entire population. You can unilaterally refuse to acknowlege the authority of some or all of those laws (incidentally putting yourself outside of society), but that would carry no weight with the courts or broad public opinion.
* Not suggesting you do, just continuing the philosophical exploration. |  |
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| I've been thinking on 16:22 - Mar 18 with 1263 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 12:12 - Mar 18 by Guthrum |
Yes, morally you would be a criminal, as you have broken the law, thus committing a crime. Especially doing it consciously and deliberately in such a fashion.
However, if you escape detection, you would not become a convicted (and so a publicly acknowleged) criminal. Only you would know.
The fact you might consider* such an offence to be "harmless" or "not really a crime" is irrelevant. The law of the land is an absolute and defined set of objective rules, considered to be in force over the entire population. You can unilaterally refuse to acknowlege the authority of some or all of those laws (incidentally putting yourself outside of society), but that would carry no weight with the courts or broad public opinion.
* Not suggesting you do, just continuing the philosophical exploration. |
So all the women at the vigil on Saturday night in Clapham, given that the police were clear it was an illegal gathering, are they morally criminals then?
Same for the Rangers fans celebrating a week earlier? | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:27 - Mar 18 with 1250 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 09:57 - Mar 18 by factual_blue |
Yes.
And No.
Or It Depends.
It's the tree in the forest conundrum. |
I struggle with the tree falling down in a forrest. Science says energy is transferred not lost. So a tree falling down, some of the energy is transferred to noise. So yeah, it makes a noise otherwise the science no longer works.
Sure someone clever than me can quote the physics laws I am referring to. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:29 - Mar 18 with 1243 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 09:47 - Mar 18 by itfcjoe |
I'm in court on Monday for my ludicrous speeding offences, just a total waste of everyones time and tax payer money - hopefully increase on fine will be small for my heinous crime of doing 70mph on the A12 |
Classic case of the computer says no. Put some seats in your van and it's legal, take 'em out, you're a criminal.
Fingers crossed the powers that be see some sense. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:30 - Mar 18 with 1239 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 10:26 - Mar 18 by Ftnfwest |
hypothetically, which route would you be taking? |
Well I wouldn't be doing it anyway - so where ever you want. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:31 - Mar 18 with 1238 views | jeera |
Something about a tree. |  |
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| I've been thinking on 16:33 - Mar 18 with 1235 views | jeera |
| I've been thinking on 16:30 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
Well I wouldn't be doing it anyway - so where ever you want. |
You want one of those roads they use for car adverts.
Always empty. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:34 - Mar 18 with 1233 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 16:31 - Mar 18 by jeera |
Something about a tree. |
Tell you one thing Jeera - if/when you get your vaccine, make sure you have some paracetamol to hand. Not sure if it's the vaccine, dehydration (been walking) or too much coffee (3 cups) but my fooking head is killing me.
Or it might just be too much thinking. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:36 - Mar 18 with 1231 views | jeera |
| I've been thinking on 16:34 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
Tell you one thing Jeera - if/when you get your vaccine, make sure you have some paracetamol to hand. Not sure if it's the vaccine, dehydration (been walking) or too much coffee (3 cups) but my fooking head is killing me.
Or it might just be too much thinking. |
Maybe that's a side-effect.
The vaccine makes you start thinking.
Speaking as someone who lives and spends too much time alone, that's a concern. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:38 - Mar 18 with 1222 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| I've been thinking on 16:36 - Mar 18 by jeera |
Maybe that's a side-effect.
The vaccine makes you start thinking.
Speaking as someone who lives and spends too much time alone, that's a concern. |
Not a side effect that impacts everyone though. The cabinet have been vaccinated.
Maybe you have to have had a previous bout of thinking. |  |
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| I've been thinking on 16:42 - Mar 18 with 1217 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 16:36 - Mar 18 by jeera |
Maybe that's a side-effect.
The vaccine makes you start thinking.
Speaking as someone who lives and spends too much time alone, that's a concern. |
I don't suffer headaches - just got a sense of what people complain about. My head was genuinely throbbing half an hour ago. Popped a pill and all good now thankfully. Given I had the jab on Monday - suspect it was probably dehydration tbh. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:45 - Mar 18 with 1212 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 16:33 - Mar 18 by jeera |
You want one of those roads they use for car adverts.
Always empty. |
https://www.epikdrives.com/furka-pass
My favourite. It's a right furka if you get a bend wrong. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:51 - Mar 18 with 1201 views | jeera |
I'd fancy that in a go-kart.
Maybe not the drop so much, but it looks potential fun to be had there sliding those bends.
Good you've had the vaccine done anyways chap; first one down and that.
I really must chase it up and think I'll get on the phone now as it goes. | |
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| I've been thinking on 16:56 - Mar 18 with 1196 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 16:51 - Mar 18 by jeera |
I'd fancy that in a go-kart.
Maybe not the drop so much, but it looks potential fun to be had there sliding those bends.
Good you've had the vaccine done anyways chap; first one down and that.
I really must chase it up and think I'll get on the phone now as it goes. |
Given the potential slow down in supply - defo go for it mate. | |
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| I've been thinking on 17:24 - Mar 18 with 1164 views | jeera |
| I've been thinking on 16:56 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
Given the potential slow down in supply - defo go for it mate. |
Next Thursday.
Although the receptionist wasn't as helpful as she could have been. | |
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| I've been thinking on 17:27 - Mar 18 with 1155 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 17:24 - Mar 18 by jeera |
Next Thursday.
Although the receptionist wasn't as helpful as she could have been. |
A qualified, brilliant :-)
Doctor's receptionists are all powerful and not to be messed with! (Not denying you experience) | |
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| I've been thinking on 17:31 - Mar 18 with 1147 views | jeera |
| I've been thinking on 17:27 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
A qualified, brilliant :-)
Doctor's receptionists are all powerful and not to be messed with! (Not denying you experience) |
PM sent! | |
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| I've been thinking on 17:31 - Mar 18 with 1144 views | Keno |
schrodinger's crime? |  |
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| I've been thinking on 17:43 - Mar 18 with 1127 views | bluelagos |
| I've been thinking on 17:31 - Mar 18 by Keno |
schrodinger's crime? |
What if you stole his cat? But looked after it? Looked after it better than Schrodinger? [Post edited 18 Mar 2021 17:44]
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| I've been thinking on 17:58 - Mar 18 with 1105 views | Keno |
| I've been thinking on 17:43 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
What if you stole his cat? But looked after it? Looked after it better than Schrodinger? [Post edited 18 Mar 2021 17:44]
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I reckon old Schrody got away with one there!
It was a cat it was “a pussy” and by coming up with this whole “Schrödinger’s cat” malarkey his wife didn’t bother to look in the box and he was never found out | |
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